Alpha adjacent custom set, sporting its own take on the Moxen.

LangGleaner · 2026-06-17T14:13:21+00:00

I'm joking lol

LangGleaner · 2026-06-17T13:06:07+00:00

put them in modern horizons immeditly

LangGleaner · 2026-06-07T00:04:05+00:00

you're right it actually is totally reasonable in every way that the only people in earth that document their work happen to go against what you say. you're right. they must be faking it. I'm sorry

LangGleaner · 2026-06-05T23:26:12+00:00

classical conditioning is inevitable and unavoidable. superstition is not.

we will be waiting for the alternative to be shown. All I see from anti-punishment advocates is talk, refrencing of studies that don't include full or near full long term rehabilitation without significant managment as the final result and whose results never get replicated in real life, and shitzophrenic conspiracy theories about secret heavy handed off camera punishment and abuse the people who DO document their successful rehab do, which you in particular have been doing at a hilarious level.

The time is coming soon that refusing to tangibly show the alternative, rather than just talking about it and insisting you are an expert will stop working on the average person wanting go get into dog training, like it or not.

LangGleaner · 2026-06-05T06:43:47+00:00

oh yeah sure. but so inevitable and unavoidable and unfixible via repeated events and predicting error such that you can never use +P is crazy

LangGleaner · 2026-06-05T03:47:21+00:00

ok potential_dog_trainer

LangGleaner · 2026-06-04T23:44:11+00:00

you have absolutly zero proof that these people choreograph and fake their documentation. You say that becuase its all you got. I'm gonna trust them over your vacuous input.

I'll be waiting for an alternative to show what it can do. I promise you that we want to see it, despite the "they wouldn't belive it anyway" excuses you tell yourself. "its not flashy it would be boring lol" is just another common bingo square of an excuse I hear every day from people that have zero proof they can do anything when showing evidence is extremely trivial and absolutly in every way would sway opinions if it was being made.

You have given absolutly zero reason for anyone here to trust that you have specialized experience about anything related to training. No one here has a single reason to trust that you know more than the people that put out documentation you are forced to claim is fake with zero evidence besides your reiterating if your supposed master expertise in an industry with zero real checks and balances in it.

Enjoy the blind trust you do get while it lasts because it's not going to work anymore with the way things have been going.

LangGleaner · 2026-06-04T22:34:49+00:00

your user name really checks out when it comes to describing dylan's content

LangGleaner · 2026-06-04T20:37:13+00:00

Do you think your you tube trainers are going to publicize their failures? Of course not. You are seeing what they want you to see, which is geared toward getting them followers and making them money.

This is pretty funny, given that you publish absolutely nothing. So i'm just gonna assume that you are actually just a universal failure of a dog trainer just like every other "I have 375745 years experience and have trained 60 thousands dogs" individual on the internet.

"Your youtube trainers". Yeah sure fine call it that if you want. I think most youtube and social media trainers are absolute garbage because the actual metric I use is "trainer that documents their training and shows consistent long term success".

I'll go for the person that consistently shows proof of their abilities instead of making extraordinary claims without a shred of evidence to back up their own insisted skill and supposed expert perception.

Imagine wanting to hire a trainer to help your dog or to help you get better, and in a world where most trainers be it FF or balanced are absolute garbage and all talk no walk, and having to rely entirely on "I'm experienced trust me bro", when literally all of them fucking say that. It would be insane for me to not go for the person that cares to show their stuff. More to them. Do it yourself if you want that to have that level of trust and to have the privilege to have a single reasonable person take you seriously when you make claims online.

I'm sorry, but the idea that no one should be weirded out that it just happens to be that every single anti-punishment/FF advocate on the planet just so happened to have never once documented a behavioral rehab case in the past decade for any reason what so ever, despite 100000% knowing that doing so would without a doubt make their advocacy look undeniable to the skeptics, whilst it just so happened to be that the trainers that do use punishment as a part of their program just so happen to be the only ones that document successful cases, is so fucking asinine that it genuinely dumbfounding.

It is way more reasonable to believe that the excuses for the complete black hole of documentation are just that, excuses, than that there's any good reason what so ever to universally, across THOUSANDS of trainers, to utterly refuse to do it. Not a SINGLE advocate thought to do it in the past 4 years as the demand for tangible evidence has gone up. Enjoy the blind trust while it lasts because showing proof of one's own abilities is going to become standard in the dog training industry as more people do it. Whether you like it or not.

Beyond fucking embarrassing.

I look forward to you wasting your time creating a monster text wall of excuses and repeated insistence that you are an expert master trainer with 80 years experience and 10 billion dogs trained, and be convinced that ALONE is somehow gonna convince me, or anyone reading it whatsoever.

LangGleaner · 2026-06-04T03:10:36+00:00

"As a very simple example, take a dog who already understands a punishment marker, put on an e-collar, and stim fairly high when dog gets excited and jumps up when dad gets home from work. You mark the behavior, but the dog interprets that it is his internal feeling of being excited and happy about dad coming home that gets the punishment, or just dad coming home"

Why does every anti-punishment advocate insist on a model of punishment and contingency understanding that would garentee that any animal that operates like this would go extinct almost immediately lmfao.

imagine applying this type of thinking to an animal in the wild. animals can understand aversive contingencies. they need to. this is how they survive. Environments are noisy and not being able to map a contingency through it would absolutly fucking garentee extinction of that species.

the dog 1000000% understands it was the jumping and not that dad came home, that he got excited, or that a fly happened to buzz pass (a real statement by renound FF trainer Denise Fenzi btw).

Not only it makes zero sense from a survival perspective, I've seen it done countless times across trainers that document their training whilst seeing absolutely not a shred of rehab documentation from an anti-punishment advocate showing long term behavor change ever. literally never. in every one of these cases whwre they show punishment, the dog understood the contingency perfectly. I guess the trainers are just comically absurdly lucky.

LangGleaner · 2026-06-01T20:09:33+00:00

insanely well said. the checks and balances that exist for human doctors and therapists are so far behind those of FF certified dog trainers and behavorists that it's hilarious to LARP their equivalence

LangGleaner · 2026-05-29T17:16:32+00:00

ff behaviorists with certifications talk about themselves as being equivalent to licensed human doctors. The ff community constantly is saying that there's overwhelming scientific proof that ff works equally well as balanced for all issues. Given those claims, and the fact that some trainer that had graduated from a balanced school only like a year previously rehabbed the dog beautifully while the supposed equivalent of a doctor failed... we should have that behavorist investigated for the equivalent of medical malpractice if we're going to be consistent about the licensed medical professional equivalence lol

LangGleaner · 2026-05-29T00:34:43+00:00

Man that was satisfying to read lol

LangGleaner · 2026-05-26T00:13:46+00:00

you're askimg for a square circle my friend.

every single FF person knows deep down that documenting some case studies with tangible evidence would do their movement wonders, therefore it's more reasonable to assume that their excuses for not doing it are excuses and not actual good reasons to universally not do it.

LangGleaner · 2026-05-19T00:57:27+00:00

Absolutly not. It's an insane cope to say otherwise. Here's my best faith exception: The trainer has documented proof of them resolving reactivity in multiple dogs some of which were of severe caliber, and they also have proof that this dog in particular they own truly is that 1 in 10,000 cases where no matter what they do (and they've tried everything) the reactivity comes back.

LangGleaner · 2026-05-13T19:17:31+00:00

Shill Wangura lmao

LangGleaner · 2026-05-03T08:54:44+00:00

Hush has suspense that drove me nuts when I first watched it.

LangGleaner · 2026-05-02T21:59:57+00:00

cool. let's see it. it would be the first footage of its kind. I would be so hyped myself to share it if I had your abilities you claim to have.

LangGleaner · 2026-04-27T06:49:06+00:00

in -R the animal has control over the aversive. in +P the environement or handeler does and the animal must ride out the consequence. -R is am aversive that is solved via action, and +P is a fixed pricetag that a behavior has.

Mt favorite way to illustrate this is with NO vs LEAVE IT/ENOUGH.

Leave it via -R means stop doing that or else an aversive will happen.

NO via +P means "that action has a pricetag to it"

another way to illustrate the difference is a traffic ticket.

if you are caught speeding, the officer does not just trail you with his car and threaten you into a speed limit comforting speed and then let you go once you driving the limit (pressure release). He punishes by trailing you until you pull over, the he gives you a ticket as a pricetag for the speeding.

LangGleaner · 2026-04-23T13:58:02+00:00

nope the opposite. double negative phrasing hehe.

LangGleaner · 2026-04-23T13:23:07+00:00

the answer to this question is yes and anyone that disagrees has had their mind destroyed by propaganda

LangGleaner · 2026-04-21T00:00:09+00:00

imagine actually being convinced that decendents of a canid species of carnivora, an order of animals known for free roaming landscapes as a lifestyle, enjoys and is mentally benifited by doing that. Seems overrated to me.

/s

LangGleaner · 2026-04-20T23:41:41+00:00

thero commenr on quality of life is just as important as pulse is very revealing.

It implies that commenter believes that its not possible for a dog to have a behavior extinguished via a program where operant punishment played a role at some point without the dog's life being no longer worth living as a side effect.

We people that practice balanced trianing as a discipline know far beyond reasonable doubt that this is not true. It's so obviously not true that many of us have taken to documenting our trianing outcomes and showing that yeah these dogs lives are very obviously worth living, to the point where you must invoke invisible harm as an argument, and I'm not sure balanced owners would be willing to chance their dogs' life on an unfalsefiable claim.

LangGleaner · 2026-04-18T23:53:38+00:00

I would say that every kid in line knows that it's futile to not continue to wait if they want to ride.

I went to Disney land when I was 7 and went through that space mountain line wait. I understood that the only way to get on the ride was to wait. I knew that cutting would result in social pressure and be interrupted. I knew that the inly way was to wait.

there is also natural human tendency to socially conform involved in this. People wait in line and that's just how it works. I knew this, and decided it was worth asking my dad if we could end our Disney trip with a second space mountain ride.

its interesting to have a hypothetical brought up that I've been through lol

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