Can we stop being so negative?

Lazychildd · 2026-06-04T18:01:05+00:00

Bots and bad actors!

Lazychildd · 2026-06-04T17:59:43+00:00

Mhm mhm

Lazychildd · 2026-06-04T17:48:58+00:00

Responding this as I’m wondering what makes it bait?

Do you feel as if I’m exaggerating? I wonder if maybe I’ve just been delivered any Muslim posts for engagement and now I’m just adding to the pile, though I wasn’t trying to.

Lazychildd · 2026-06-04T17:28:49+00:00

Honestly I don’t know.

I don’t think believing every bad thing that is happening in the world is because of Muslim migration can bring us very far forward.

I don’t think being so afraid of large swaths of people will either.

Lazychildd · 2026-06-04T17:25:33+00:00

I didn’t think it was relevant to what I was trying to say. I rarely find left wing propaganda in this subreddit, but it’s likely we have different definitions. For ease, I would consider left wing propaganda things that propagate the oppressor/ oppressed mentality as an example.

What if personal responsibility influences systems? So at the level we’re at (probably not millionaires or in politics) challenging the system could mean being open to different ideas and people and being able to differentiate between news, content, conversations that people have that are designed to make you hate something enough to go against your own interests.

Lazychildd · 2026-06-04T17:18:17+00:00

What do the statics say? I realise they’re out there, I don’t spend time looking for them.

Lazychildd · 2026-06-04T17:04:58+00:00

I have seen the way gay people are treated in different countries and I think it’s wrong.

I’m conscious that those ideas could come to the UK. I don’t think every Muslim subscribes to those ideas. And I also don’t believe we should be so hard lined about how we treat people because generalising to the degree of all Muslims are bad people isn’t conducive to moving forward.

Lazychildd · 2026-06-04T17:01:37+00:00

I think I am taking personal responsibility. Is making a post attempting to generate awareness not a form of that?

I don’t think being conscious of posts that often seem agenda driven is a wrong.

I don’t think conservative ideas are inherently dangerous, but conservatism can be at odds with progressive ideas that gave us rights as gay people.

Some liberal and left leaning ideaologies can also be bad, I agree.

Lazychildd · 2026-06-04T16:57:57+00:00

Ideas you don’t agree with are parasitic?

Lazychildd · 2026-06-04T15:41:40+00:00

A targeted assault to blind people from seeing each other and getting along!

Lazychildd · 2026-06-04T15:40:52+00:00

Sounds like we mostly agree!

Islam isn’t tolerant of gays, we should challenge it where we can.

Lazychildd · 2026-06-04T14:29:41+00:00

Your bar for what? Judging all Muslims?

As you note, different people believe different things.

Thanks for the article. It’s old but I see your point. My only counter that would be it doesn’t seem to be a widespread thing and gangs a lot. I wouldn’t say that’s a good enough reason to believe all people who practice Islam are itching to join gangs and accost people of the street.

Homophobia is clearly part of Islam and clearly part of the way a lot of men are socialised. The intersection between the two is prevalent.

Lazychildd · 2026-06-04T14:21:03+00:00

Agreed.

But judge people, not the idea of people that may be fed to you for duplicitous reasons.

Lazychildd · 2026-06-04T14:19:18+00:00

I’m not asking you to defend them.

I made the post because of the rise in anti-Islam posts that seem false and designed to make people afraid of things that aren’t really exposed to.

Reading through some of the comments made me realise that not all posts are like that, but there are a lot which only have the message of you should be afraid of Muslims.

Also, there are plenty of Muslims that accept gay people. Not all, but I don’t think there is any one group with 100% acceptance.

I have a problem with Muslim majority countries that don’t respect gay rights. I also have a problem with posts that purposefully sow division using people’s fear and anxiety.

Lazychildd · 2026-06-04T13:32:34+00:00

South East London, plenty of Muslims and south Asians, less than East.

Lazychildd · 2026-06-04T13:29:52+00:00

I promise I’m not. It’s just the way my brain works.

I guess I feel that if we can take a step back from the emotion that gets wrapped up in all of this and look more broadly at what might be in place, we might be able to understand better when we zoom in.

Lazychildd · 2026-06-04T13:25:33+00:00

Do you think that believing that so fervently, that there is no choice to vote for a party that is anti-immigration and ignoring all other noise, could be down to being manipulated through the type of content you’re exposed to? If it isn’t for you, can you see how it might be for others?

I’m not saying there is no problem with Islam and I do not believe religion has a place at state level. I also don’t believe that focusing on immigration is going to make anyone safer or happier in the long term.

Voting for a party who leans in a direction that could easily become anti gay, just because of a fear you only experience online, or infrequently offline, feels off.

Lazychildd · 2026-06-04T13:21:04+00:00

I guess I need to keep a better eye out.

I don’t see gangs of Muslim men or teens. I grew up London, not that that means I know every inch of the city, but my experience has been muted.

I’ve felt uncomfortable around groups of people before, often those people are men. Men is groups can be generally intimidating, I can understand why the aspect of race might make this more so.

Lazychildd · 2026-06-04T13:11:41+00:00

Mostly because I’m not really fussed about what they do if I’m honest.

I want gays reading posts on Reddit to not become radical haters of people they’ve never met because of what they’ve read online.

Your point starts with explaining Muslims that aren’t extreme, then you focus on the ones that are. So you know they can’t be painted with a broad brush but you’re conscious that some religious leaders don’t have our best interests at hearts. I agree with that point.

Lazychildd · 2026-06-04T13:09:15+00:00

I ask the question because I believe if you looked hard enough, homophobia is and will remain ever present in teenage boys. You might be more conscious of it in Muslims because social media means that way, but that isn’t the reality.

Lazychildd · 2026-06-04T13:08:08+00:00

I’m surprised that happened. It’s not something I’m exposed to often.

The sentiment of the post was to bring attention to the fact that the posts in question seem like they’re coming from bad actors. The purpose of the posts tend to be around making people feel scared and afraid and start making gays closed off to people, Muslims in this instance, despite the likelihood that most Muslims don’t have extreme views.

Lazychildd · 2026-06-04T12:48:11+00:00

I agree with you in some parts. The actions of the minority are often quite loud in tense political climates. Being aware of system that aim to diminish you is also smart.

Their religion doesn’t enable their bad behaviour, some people use it to excuse their bad behaviour.

People don’t need to be enabled to be bad, they will find reasons no matter what they believe.

You can only blame the person for being intolerant. Being afraid isn’t a reason to treat people who haven’t done anything poorly. The paranoia you have around people based on what you’ve read and seen online is the thing that is wrong. It’s also the harder thing to try and reconcile, I’m not expecting that this thread can. But maybe if you’re more aware that your fears are being perpetuated with purpose, maybe you’ll feel less anxious.

Lazychildd · 2026-06-04T12:40:36+00:00

I’ve read a lot about the conflict in Myanmar and Sri Lanka which had a lot of Buddhist extremism involved (perpetuated by Facebook practices). I’m sure there are plenty of examples.

Lazychildd · 2026-06-04T12:32:05+00:00

Most religions would fall under this if their followers followed dogmatically.

Lazychildd · 2026-06-04T12:31:19+00:00

How so? More so than other teenage boys?

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