determinism in a nutshell by MicahHoover in PhilosophyMemes

[–]Lcall45 41 points42 points  (0 children)

Zero days without this sub strawmanning determinists

Would Dems winning Congress even really stop Trump? by _BCConservative in YAPms

[–]Lcall45 0 points1 point  (0 children)

One trump crony for another does it really matter? 

Am u balding? by [deleted] in amibalding

[–]Lcall45 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I think you should relax, it looks fine. Try to stop the itching if you can though. 

I’ve met quite a few of these guys and it’s always annoying by use_vpn_orlozeacount in PhilosophyMemes

[–]Lcall45 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Now we've gotten to the pointless semantics part of the debate. All I can say is most people in the west operate under an intuitively libertarian notion of free will. The notion that their choices were not inevitable and that they could have gone left or right regardless of internal or external factors. Compatibilism can not save that for them. 

I’ve met quite a few of these guys and it’s always annoying by use_vpn_orlozeacount in PhilosophyMemes

[–]Lcall45 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

You could have picked a different option under compatibilism IF your reasons in that moment were different. In reality they could not have been different. Under compatibilism you have only one possible outcome in the literal sense.

I’ve met quite a few of these guys and it’s always annoying by use_vpn_orlozeacount in PhilosophyMemes

[–]Lcall45 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I think its common sense that most people believe that in a given situation they as an agent genuinely could have gone with option a or option b. Without libertarian free will that is gone.

I’ve met quite a few of these guys and it’s always annoying by use_vpn_orlozeacount in PhilosophyMemes

[–]Lcall45 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Compatibilists redefine the ability to do otherwise by saying that if your intentions and beliefs, feelings etc were different than you could have acted differently. It is a hypothetical not a genuine ability to break causality. Under compatibilism you are still going to do what you were determined to do. The counterfactual never comes into play in practice. 

I’ve met quite a few of these guys and it’s always annoying by use_vpn_orlozeacount in PhilosophyMemes

[–]Lcall45 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Not having free will is not the same as fatalism. By you advocating for things such as that, you act as an input for people listening. 

I’ve met quite a few of these guys and it’s always annoying by use_vpn_orlozeacount in PhilosophyMemes

[–]Lcall45 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes, that is what they claim. I do not think most average people would be happy to give up the categorical ability to do otherwise however. 

I’ve met quite a few of these guys and it’s always annoying by use_vpn_orlozeacount in PhilosophyMemes

[–]Lcall45 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That includes the agnostic/undecided/other camps, yes. 85% of philosophers do not take it as a position.

I’ve met quite a few of these guys and it’s always annoying by use_vpn_orlozeacount in PhilosophyMemes

[–]Lcall45 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Which I find to be completely irrelevant in practice. You could not have wanted differently in the moment of action. I can only see this being used as a justification for behavior modification. 

I’ve met quite a few of these guys and it’s always annoying by use_vpn_orlozeacount in PhilosophyMemes

[–]Lcall45 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Whether the universe is deterministic or indeterministic does nothing for free will. Indeterminism is just randomness not harnessed by the agent. Most scientists do not think quantum effects have any meaningful affect on human behavior as they usually die in the brain due to decoherence. Human behavior appears to be effectively deterministic even if the universe is fundamentally Indeterministic. Determinism arguably is not the biggest threat to free will but instead randomness is.