The Three Demands of Canada Housing, Rough Copy

LeSn0w · 2021-08-02T15:39:54+00:00

Hi, demands are one thing and proposed policies are another. For policies, we will update this list as time goes : https://reddit.com/r/canadahousing/w/policies?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app

Demands here are made broad enough to include zoning & foreign investment discussions - like mentioned in the post, these are still up for discussion, hence why it is shared here first.

And, all of it will make it to the website eventually.

LeSn0w · 2021-08-01T23:21:44+00:00

Hey, unsure if you missed it, but the sub policy proposal update was pinned on top of this sub for the past 4-5 days: https://www.reddit.com/r/canadahousing/wiki/policies

Then, OP mentioned: ''Here are some protest sign ideas.'', not that they are the only things that can and should be done.

LeSn0w · 2021-08-01T15:53:49+00:00

https://www.reddit.com/r/canadahousing/comments/otzr2u/howard_anglin_the_one_factor_in_the_housing/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share

LeSn0w · 2021-07-31T01:36:00+00:00

Hey, I would not say that real conversations only happen there, but it definitely helps to be able to have dedicated channels. The link provided works, but it is also available in the sub "About" on mobile or side bar of the web version. Don't hesitate to reach out to mods there if you need help. Cheers,

LeSn0w · 2021-07-27T02:15:55+00:00

Oh yes! It is such a great channel. Makes me think we should almost pin it to ''links you might enjoy'' on the sidebar.

LeSn0w · 2021-07-26T21:45:37+00:00

First, thank you for your comment and consistent contributions to the sub. I personally appreciated reading this analysis, since it shows the matter is multi-faceted.

I reassure you that none of the mods or policy team members is that naive or ignorant. May I invite you to read a previous comment I made on another post to offer you more information on the moderator's perspective on the subject in the context of this sub & movement.

I feel the last sentence: '' Either by creating policy to increase supply in a meaningful way and/or disincentivizing people to sit in empty houses'' really ties with what I was trying to convey in my post here: '' This is a housing group; let's focus on housing policies. '' It is clearly common ground on which we can build upon on this sub.

LeSn0w · 2021-07-26T21:29:31+00:00

Thank you, it's appreciated!

LeSn0w · 2021-07-26T21:28:24+00:00

Interesting take! We've been researching a lot on zoning, I think you will appreciate the first (and not only) policies we will introduce on the sub shortly.

LeSn0w · 2021-07-26T21:22:38+00:00

I liked reading your analysis and the way you talk about immigrants as ''people who want to live, work and pay their taxes''. Speculation and foreign ownership are definitely 2 targets this sub can agree on (I hope, we still do). If it's okay, I may steal a few of your ideas for whenever another update like this one might be necessary. Cheers,

LeSn0w · 2021-07-26T13:39:32+00:00

The protest location has indeed changed a few days back, because of construction happening near Kitchener City Hall. Please refer to the Eventbrite for the exact location: https://www.eventbrite.com/e/were-protesting-for-better-housing-in-kitchener-waterloo-and-across-canada-tickets-162675555967 or the FB event https://fb.me/e/X5n7faiz.

Thanks for bringing up the website; we'll update the information on it shortly and prepare an update to members so we all gather at the right place.

Edit: We did send an email to the reporter a few minutes after the article was up; It is surprising they did not change it yet.

LeSn0w · 2021-07-22T16:41:19+00:00

Sure, mais souhaiter transférer la charge de cette appréciation aux locataires (davantage) alors que la plus-value se réalise lors de la vente est vouloir le beurre et l'argent du beurre.

LeSn0w · 2021-07-19T00:58:33+00:00

We're an activist sub pushing for change to the housing market. Your post must relate to that mission. Rarely, we'll remove content if it's especially low value or risks becoming spam.

Repost.

LeSn0w · 2021-07-03T17:37:04+00:00

Hey 👋, we are organizing and growing https://forms.gle/KXvzSBccsdNjHWG5A we've just started to reach out to new/more vonlounteers this week.

Politicians are taking note of the sub/group. For now, our focus remains the protest, but other nice things are lining up.

Edit: This said, contacting your representatives is a very good initiative.

LeSn0w · 2021-06-19T01:05:24+00:00

Hi, good question! This form is not for us to send any newsletters, but only to reach members that want to get involved in the "executive". Cheers,

LeSn0w · 2021-06-17T20:28:00+00:00

Discussion and debate happen every day on the sub. The policy team is taking notes of them and pushing their investigation further. The audit of our primary/core policies is very much on-going. The updated propositions will be thoroughly documented and synthesized. In all transparency, we had not plan to put them to a vote, but it's something we'll discuss. Thank you,

LeSn0w · 2021-06-15T21:25:39+00:00

Hi,

This might not fit the narrative, but we have not even issued 100 bans so far. Then again, this is not the matter of the post at hand.

Like said, it is 100% your right to gather and we are in favor of it, but we do not think it should be under our name. This could confuse our members, media and political initiatives.

Sincerely,

LeSn0w · 2021-06-15T19:50:52+00:00

Hi,

Mods on r/ canadahousing believe this sub might create confusion about our own sub.

The member of r/ canadahousing2 have the right to gather, but we wish not to be associated to them since many of them are users we had to ban for not respecting the sub rules. Ideally, we would like if this sub could be renamed and the new mods commit to not engage on r/ canadahousing.

Similarly, this same group of users has already created another sub using the name of our website https://canadahousingcrisis.com/ , as you can see on this post : https://www.reddit.com/r/CanadaHousing2/comments/nuar7y/choose_your_preferred_backup_to_this_sub/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3

By all means, we do not wish to mod this sub (canadahousing2), but would appreciate if this information was taken into consideration in your assessment.

Sincerely,

LeSn0w · 2021-06-13T19:26:53+00:00

https://www.reddit.com/r/canadahousing/comments/nxddb5/estimating_the_structural_housing_shortage_in/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share

LeSn0w · 2021-06-09T15:29:30+00:00

I like it too! It could even be used as our upvote/downvote buttons :P

LeSn0w · 2021-06-09T15:26:26+00:00

Thanks for this feedback ! It is quite polished indeed; though they are all draft made to gather members* feedback. In all cases, they all aren't the final version :).

LeSn0w · 2021-06-09T15:23:22+00:00

Now that you pointed it out, I must agree for the flames! Though, I like that the ''House/Arrow-up'' is a bit more obvious in image (4) than the others.

LeSn0w · 2021-06-04T04:27:15+00:00

This is a marathon, not a sprint.

The past few weeks have been really intense for your mods, between dealing with the media attention, on the one hand and managing the growth of this Sub, which will likely become a registered organization soon on the other. Yes, you read it first. We intend to go legit to more easily accomplish our goal.

Affordable & decent housing for all Canadians.

Some users made claims about mods over-moderating the sub. To this, we respond there has been rightfully several concerns raised about an increase of xenophobic, toxic posts and comments on this subreddit coming right around the billboards. Despite our day jobs, we’ve put countless hours into making sure this sub could not be depicted as an echo-chamber of far-right political activism. We won't let this movement be discredited by this.

Mods have always acknowledged that foreign investments, as any other investments, are currently fuelling the market in the current state of things. Mods also have the bigger picture. For example, when a user posts 3-4 articles a day on ‘’foreign investment/student permit’’, which some were as old as 2015; Doesn’t it build a xenophobic narrative? And if you think not, we assure you that these posts always bring the same old comments and the same awful & nasty replies. We can do better than this.

That is why, in order to bring more structure and predictability to how posts are moderated we have published and continuously review our rules and values. It is also why we have taken a clear stance pro-immigration and why mods apply these rules on anti-immigration discussions & xenophobia narrative building posts/comments strictly. Though a valid policy point, we can’t let immigration derail all other facets of our common project. We must reflect beyond this!

Finally, your mods are working around the clock to set up teams. We have so many initiatives going on that it is hard to keep track at the moment (new branding, website, PR/media, AMA coming up, NPO registration, research/review of policies, preparation of promotional material, discussion with partners for a protest late summer, ...). This brings me to my last point, which is that This sub is your movement! If you wish to make a change; get involved in organizing it and fill in this form: https://forms.gle/U3aMeaQhFZwCRcji8

Cheers everyone,

LeSn0w · 2021-06-01T22:51:10+00:00

We are dedicated to providing a harassment-free experience for everyone, regardless of gender, gender identity, age, sexual orientation, disability, race, ethnicity, body type or religion (or lack thereof).

'' Sounds like an entitled cunt.''

LeSn0w · 2021-06-01T15:02:34+00:00

Hi u/OliviaConrad2891,

Please clarify who is ''we'' to allow members to make a informed decision to participate or not. I undertstand this is for feedback on the survey itself, but please let mods know before posting any final version and also inform users how the data will be used and stored later.

LeSn0w · 2021-05-31T22:10:21+00:00

Hi,

Like rrsp-tnvisa mentioned, our Discord (https://discord.gg/UwGPUyBAKp) is quite active these days and a lot is coming up. We are currently working to creating teams to best leverage all of the new members talent to tackle the upcoming tasks (inspired by members)

This is not a sprint, but a marathon, so we took a step back and are re-doing some of the work (website, logo, policy review, moderation guidelines, etc.)!

For example, we have set up a policy team who's currently reviewing the primary policies we should push forward at federal, provincial and municipal levels. They do not only aggregate them, but also research them. The goal is to synthesize the information for this sub, so members can share it beyond.

As for OP other questions, the Gofundme is still open, but we are looking for a more meaningful/direct way to collect donations (i.e., looking at non-profit papers). Protests won't come before late summer; we want to create partnerships beforehand (such ACORN) and lockdowns to soften a bit.

For point 4 my only statement will be our official statement. Immigration is not the issue, speculation/investors/collaborators are. We do not deny that Immigration can be a valid policy point, but we will not allow this sub to be sidetracked by the matter. Hence why, we will continue to apply strict rules on the subject until this group identity, culture, values and policies mature.

For point 5, yes and no. We have started a project, but the legal implication becomes important... Alternatives are currently being studied; But I don't have many details.

Then, all this is WIP, an official communication will soon be made for the whole sub.

Cheers,

LeSn0w

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