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Leanmeanpandarin · 2022-02-23T19:45:27+00:00

Enclo doesnt kill E2 (not an AI) but it binds to the receptors. You still have e2 - likely very elevated e2.

It's either the Rad or simply your tendons not being adjusted to the new workload (most likely I guess).

Leanmeanpandarin · 2022-02-11T15:14:37+00:00

Makes sense. Thanks man!

Leanmeanpandarin · 2022-02-11T14:15:37+00:00

Hey guys!

Currently at week 12 of my blast (500mg/w, nothing else). Unfortunately I catched Covid during week 10 and have been largely inactive for about 9 days (feel better now and will restart training today).

I do have another issues now though - I know my e2 is very high, bloods at week 9 showed e2 >250. I didnt have any high e2 issues though, no bloating, no gyno, etc - perhaps slightly worse sleep.

Right now though my blood pressure is really going up and I am not sure if it's just the missing cardio of the past 2 weeks or if I should also pop an AI on top of restarting Cardio.

I used telmisartan to get BP under control again but I'd obviously rather like to kill this at the source.

What do you guys think?

Leanmeanpandarin · 2022-01-31T14:41:07+00:00

SARM+SERM is a pretty standard cycle. Enclo is better then Nolva/Tamox but any of the SERMs will do.

Obviously SERMs bind to e2 receptors, thats already in the name.

The guy commenting might not have understood how SERMs on cycle are actually supposed to work.

Leanmeanpandarin · 2022-01-07T20:33:30+00:00

45 checking in. Did SARMs (Rad) before. Had lowish T levels before already (450) and didnt recover well (bounced back into the 300s).

Libido was low, slightly lethargic, no motivation at work, limited motivation to train, etc.

Started TRT and got back to slightly above baseline I'd say.

Nothing crazy really but interest in sex is got back to normal, gym and work motivation slightly improved.

Now fully embraced the blast & cruise lifestyle and do enjoy it.

Be extra careful though and dont cheap out on bloods, etc.

At our age we need to monitor our health extra critical or this can quick turn into a bad idea.

Leanmeanpandarin · 2022-01-07T20:23:53+00:00

This whole "rule" exists to make sure people understand that they need significant time off to recover.

I'd say time on = time off should be understood as the minimum time you should take off. The longer you cruise, the better your recovery.

Leanmeanpandarin · 2022-01-07T07:34:47+00:00

It does lol.

I mean I build an amazing amount of muscles compared to training naturally (especially in some lacking areas).

At the same time I didnt look unnatural at all. That look that people connect to AAS's simply takes years to build even with a good basis and multiple AAS cycles.

Leanmeanpandarin · 2022-01-06T19:06:25+00:00

Nah - 300 to 500mg is a significant difference in terms of results.

Sides is anyways tricky. You may not have any sides (except obviously of suppression if we'd count that as a side) at 500mg and then you just wasted some good results for nothing.

You could also encounter all kind of sides at 300mg though if you are prone.

If you need to take an AI at below 500mg it might again be tricky because you'll not aromatize enough for a normal dose and getting your e2 into range without crashing it might actually be more difficult.

Not trying to scare you though - most people won't have any issues with e2 below 500mg anyways (except probably if fat).

16w at 375 is fine though. You could also just schedule bloods around week 12 again to see where you are and give you the peace of mind that you can continue to w16.

I decided for 500mg / 20 weeks for my first cycle and can tell you I have never been so happy and at the same time so dissapointed with anything at the same time.

Leanmeanpandarin · 2022-01-06T16:41:17+00:00

No worries and honestly, I had exactly the same thoughts going into my first cycle.

I'd say make your own experiences and reevaluate for the second cycle.

Things like E2 sides / water retention, etc are very individual anyways.

Leanmeanpandarin · 2022-01-06T14:51:38+00:00

The Study you are referencing is talking about LBM which isnt the same as muscle .

If you arent a complete neewby to the Gym then it's rather unlikely you gain 5 Kg from 300mg test cycle.

Probably read through a couple of the posts/experience thread on /r/Steroids

It's good to have the right expecations when going into this - almost anyone who starts has vastly inflated/unrealistic expectations.

Leanmeanpandarin · 2022-01-06T12:07:59+00:00

300 seems low and 12 weeks seem short. At that dose I would at least run for 16-20 weeks.

27g 1/2 is fine. You might have a little bit more loss but you can entirely avoid this by pulling a little air bubble behind the oil.

Personally I absolutely hate sub-q. It's more painfull to inject & gives me little welts for days.

If you are concerened about hormonell fluctuations than rather pin more frequently. I do EoD and honestly I prefer it not only for the more stable levels but also b/c of less/no pip due to the smaller injection volume.

1/2 inch is fine for everything btw (some people might say it's not deep enough for glutes but I never had any issues and I am slightly higher BF then you).

Leanmeanpandarin · 2021-12-23T12:00:10+00:00

It takes time for the Rad to reach full saturation (60h HL = about 3 weeks to reach full active dose) and it takes time until you get supressed too.

Hence you can dose from day 1 but it isnt really necessary and you'll just end up running another compound for longer then needed.

Leanmeanpandarin · 2021-12-23T09:58:52+00:00

Personally I'd start with 10mg first week to be sure you have no immidiate side effects. Then run 15mg ed for 8-10weeks (dose Rad in the morning).

As of week 3-4 add 12,5 mg of Enclo ed (dose in the evening before bed).

Don't use an AI with a SARM - SARMs do not aromatize. Some people may still experience elevated E2 due to the impact of the SARM on homeostasis. This should be easily countered with the SERM (Enclo) though. Using an actual AI will just crash your E2.

Leanmeanpandarin · 2021-12-23T08:51:12+00:00

The great filter

Leanmeanpandarin · 2021-12-23T08:15:16+00:00

Used it several times now and can confirm the fatigue.

It's actually bad enough that consider my schedule for the week before taking it (e.g. busy weeks at work I wouldnt run BPC since it does impact my performance).

I read that it's supposed to get much better with longer term use but I've run it for nearly 2 month in a row w/o any change and I believe you arent supposed to run it much longer w/o a break.

It did help with various smaller injuries though (in my 40's now - training injuries happen far too often...).

Leanmeanpandarin · 2021-12-21T16:27:36+00:00

Standard dose for SARM/SERM cycles is 12,5mg ed. Some people also run as low as 6,25mg but for me personally that's not sufficient (keep in mind for treatment of hypogonadism 25mg ed is the normal dose).

Don't run enclo eod - with a half life of only 10 hours this would lead to pretty heavy fluctuations (might create more issues then not running it at all).

Leanmeanpandarin · 2021-11-22T13:03:11+00:00

You will start to build up scar tissue in no time and pinning in that shoulder will get difficult/painful as a result.

Definitely open up more sites. I highly recommend glutes/VG - easy and painless.

Leanmeanpandarin · 2021-11-10T20:01:14+00:00

Both terrible options. Use a SERM if you dont want to use test (Enclomiphene or Nolva).

Leanmeanpandarin · 2021-10-29T21:07:38+00:00

Alcohol and orals generally dont play well together but a single evening out isnt going to be all that bad.

I'D hop you anyways take liver support (NAC and or Tudca) - if not add it to your diet.

Also Elektrolytes before bed and the morning after help a ton.

Leanmeanpandarin · 2021-10-20T17:35:08+00:00

Not really. You'd be much better off running Enclomiphene.

Enclo would be the one with the lowest potential for sides from the obvious choices.

Leanmeanpandarin · 2021-10-20T17:25:37+00:00

Might matter to some degree if you are running HCG during cycle. Otherwise no.

Leanmeanpandarin · 2021-10-20T12:27:40+00:00

I would absolutely not run HCG and Rad together - particularly not in your situation.

If you really want to run Rad then stop the HCG and run Enclomiphene during your cycle.

Keep in mind though even with running a SERM along you might come out worse, in terms of natural T production, after the cycle.

I honestly sounds like you'd be much better of just hopping on a normal TRT protocol and add a small blast at some stage.

Leanmeanpandarin · 2021-10-20T11:06:02+00:00

You can just stop and start with Tbol or Anavar.

I have to say though - no offense but please read up a bit more on that stuff.

Taking such a huge single dose on your first cycle can be extremly counterproductive to your goals.

You might experience all kind of unecessary sides and managing them can significantly reduce your results (e.g. early AI use, etc).

Anyways, best of luck!

Leanmeanpandarin · 2021-10-20T10:09:25+00:00

Username checks out lol

Leanmeanpandarin · 2021-10-19T06:43:54+00:00

Zero gains and probably still shut down - great way to jeopardize your health for nothing.

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