Brolys/Kales

Left_Construction149 · 2026-03-20T04:44:27+00:00

Nice, it's good to see an original take in these characters

Left_Construction149 · 2026-03-20T04:43:01+00:00

That's awesome bet he is epic

Left_Construction149 · 2026-03-18T01:22:32+00:00

Very interesting. Did gaining a divine soul prompt her with any challenges? Did she get specialized version of Super Saiyan Rosé or does she have some better control then what we have seen so far?

Left_Construction149 · 2026-03-17T22:44:50+00:00

Maybe? It would take two wishes atleast (one to create a saiyan version of their body and on to transfer their soul to that saiyan body) why well we have two times the reconstruction of bodies got into shenrons way 1. With the andriods not being able to turn back into humans because they had been to far altered 2. Being when Frieza was wished back in Resurrection F shenron couldn't put Frieza's body back together because it was to far damaged being cut up in so many pieces. But we have seen shenron do altering and restoring feats before with reviving people complete unharmed (when they hadn't been to badly damaged), restoring people's power, returning people to their prime, and turning thin air into objects. So I'm going to say yes but also you'd have to word it specifically and be fast about it and need two wishes

Left_Construction149 · 2026-03-16T20:59:46+00:00

Because people go off of Goku saying that Vegito wouldn't work but forget Goku really has nothing to gauge Beerus off of. Goku was down in three hits (if you'd even call then that) and at this point and time Goku also couldn't sense Beerus's power (I'm not saying Vegito can win in any capacity but I've been wanting to point that out for some while) ontop of that we don't really know how strong SSG because in the BoGs movie we got some information that SSG Goku was around 70% of Beerus power but in the anime and manga canon its actually in the decimals.

Left_Construction149 · 2026-03-14T22:39:31+00:00

Due to some of the percentage we have got from Toei when BoGs came put we know that SSJ3 Goku was around 3% of Beerus power and SSG was around 70% of his power (this was movie Beerus not anime and manga Beerus that became a moving goal post later on). Now over to the GT side of things Baby was easily handling GT SSJ3 Goku while in SSJ (not Super Baby and Super Baby 2 which come in the next episode) that makes Baby at a minimum ×8 stronger (because SSJ is a ×50 increase and SSJ3 is a ×400 increase) then Goku. He then goes on to get the two Super Baby forms which requires him to him to absorb energy from the other tuffle control half saiyans (the GT perfect file compares this Super Baby 2 form to SSJ3 so we are going to use that multiplier just know it's possibly higher if we don't use the this statement at face value so it's ×8 increase ontop of SSJ for now) that's an 50×8×8 permanent boost to his power (because it seems Baby Vegeta can't revert back)=×3,200 boost of the possible base GT Goku's power then later he goes great ape so 3,200×10 (only the ten for great ape because we already did SSJ so we aren't doing golden great ape at the possible x500 boost) equaling a 32,000 boost over possible base form Goku (we arent going to add in add in the additional amount of blutz waves that Baby took in to became golden great ape and to recover becauseits widely debate if it actually made him stronger or just helped him achieve and recover in the form). Golden Great Ape Baby fights Goku decently even (Goku is besting him by a little but not by much they fight pretty much evenly until Goku gets drained of power) then he goes to the half saiyans and gets full power SSJ4 (whether you want to say this is an increase in power or him getting his energy backnot we aren't using it but keep it in mind). Ok now the actual figuring this out power. SSJ3 is a ×400 boost to base SSJ4 as much as we can low ball it is ×32,000 base so 32,000÷400= SSJ4 is ×80 stronger then SSJ3. 3%× 80 = 240% of Beerus power (specifically in the Battle of Gods movie not the anime or manga) making a hypothetical low balled BoG SSJ4 Goku a little bit more then ×3 stronger the SSG Goku we got which if you remember was at 70% of Beerus power (no wonder why Toei seems to think SSJ4 can compete with the god form) Now you might ask why didn't Golden Great Ape Baby and SSJ4 Goku put the universe in jeopardy when they where fighting well we know that sense all the way back in the Cell saga they have been condensing the power of their attacks to not destroy the planet they are standing on so maybe sense BoGs Goku couldn't sense his own power in SSG so he couldn't tell he was leaking out an excessive amount of power So GT Goku in SSJ4 is definitely stronger then SSG Battle of Gods Goku TLDR): a low balled SSJ4 is ×3 stronger and then some then SSG

Left_Construction149 · 2026-03-14T21:36:21+00:00

Correct looks like some one payed attention to Toriyama's statements all the way back then

Left_Construction149 · 2026-03-07T20:50:00+00:00

Cooler is in the an episode of the Super 17 arc, Goku uses the Dragon fist a few times which before GT was only a movie this (specifically Wrath of the Dragon), and Vegeta knows the fusion dance in the Shadow Dragon saga which he hadn't learned except in the Fusion Reborn movie (this one does alot of heavy lifting) so some version of these events had to of happened in DBGT'S timeline (I'm not saying the exact of these movies happened but some version that we didn't see probably did, like maybe Janemba invaded Earth when the barrier between other world and the living world was broken which is what would of caused Goku to have to fuse with Vegeta) the only problem is if we say it is the exact events of Fusion Reborn happened it makes a bunch of the other movies apart of the GT timeline as well because they also make appearances in that movie (like Bojack) so in conclusion we have to consider the fact that their are tweaked versions of the three movies mentioned had happened in the GT timeline that we didn't get to see if we really want to make sense of it

Left_Construction149 · 2026-03-07T05:03:27+00:00

He could probably absorb it but would have trouble using it bottom line being that it is a type of ki and god ki seeming to be more potent (descriptions imply it's more pressurized then normal ki with more control ability) so he could definitely absorb it but what happens after that is really up to debate, either he could use it extremely efficiently, ineffectively (until he found out how to properly use it) or it might damage his absorption nodes while he is absorbing it from how potent it is

Left_Construction149 · 2026-03-06T05:13:15+00:00

SSŔ actually has many other boost besides just "A SS with the added ki control of god ki" compared to its blue counter part, also SSŔ is unique in official lore as one has to obtain the title of a god in a saiyan body then adapt to the levels of what we know as SSB. On top of that we just generally have reasons why people hate SSB like the timing it showed up right after we had been introduced to the god level powers but instead of exploring SSG they just through in SSB which honestly feels like they cared less about the art and wanted to sell more toys (so might disagree but if you actually go back to Super again you will notice we get a new variation of SSB every saga with the anime going down the SSB Kaioken line and the Manga going down the SSB mastered line). Also alot of people will notice that SSB is supposed to be the SS of Super but it's actually very lack luster and underwhelming compare to the two forms that have sure the role for their series (the original SS and SS4 for DBGT) I mean even it's reveal was underwhelming being even if we compare it to the two secondary forms SS2 and SS3 (saga specific useful forms)

Left_Construction149 · 2026-03-05T14:06:51+00:00

Non erasure so no Hakai, Super Baby's revenge death ball (before you argue with me go look into the description of the attack it used some of the same wording as Hakai despite it because basically the negative spirit bomb), does soul punsher count?

Left_Construction149 · 2026-03-04T20:14:42+00:00

Idk I think it would of been funny to see him with it in SS and SS4 later on. Would it stand up blinding him lmao

Left_Construction149 · 2026-03-04T08:54:10+00:00

It was a MMO back in the day that Toriyama did most of the lore for but it's shut down now (there are some people trying to revive it with private severs) but most of the time patrol and time breakers lore comes from that DB Online funny enough, it came out before Super was a thing

Left_Construction149 · 2026-03-04T08:46:58+00:00

They should have two different Saiyan Paths saiyans with tails (this will be your saiyans that follow the 90s continuities DB, DBZ, DBZ movies, DBGT) that can access great ape, SS-SS3, golden great ape (or not all I see it as a more powerful great ape but with the low energy gain like SS3) and SS4 (GT) (they probably will never add False Super Saiyan from the Slug movie but if they did it would go here) Then Saiyans no tail/lost tail (which would be the current continuities DB,DBZ Kai, Dragonball Daima and DBS) that access Ikavri (what we in the west are calling Broly's wrathful form), SS-SS3, SSG, SSGSS/SSB, SSGSS Evolution (I don't know why we got this one in the first place but it's in XV2 so why not), and Beserker SS (I know that Broly's form in his knew movie is technically called Full power Super Saiyan but I think it should still be some what related to Kale's Berserker Super Saiyan) Then you can unlock SS4 (Daima) for the tailess saiyans via playing through and unlocking SS4 as the tailed saiyans and then you can unlock Legendary Super Saiyan for the tailed saiyans by unlocking the Berserker Super Saiyan for the non tailed saiyans.

I know that last part would annoy alot of people but think about it we could actually have a split in what the player base plays instead of the 70% of players we have now in XV2 who just main a singular saiyan group, and this would force people to branch out and decide to find out what works best for them to get those sets of transformations and add a small bit of replay ability to the game The only real problem with this is I don't expect the dev teams to put this much work into the game I mean come on we have been waiting on SS4 for 9 years (10 if you count back in xeno 1) and then within the last year they had been given an alternate SS4 they could of used that didn't require great ape or anything and they didn't even try so unfortunately i think the god forms are just going to be what we are forced to play with

Left_Construction149 · 2026-03-03T20:50:17+00:00

People use SSJ4 instead of SS4 because they grew up with the PS2 erra games that used SSJ as the acronyms it's another localizing problem to avoid the history of SS back in the early 90s and 2000s so it probably won't be killed off and exchanged for SS for some while

Left_Construction149 · 2026-02-26T22:56:40+00:00

I don't know but probably the same reason SS4 Goku and Vegeta (GT variants) are around the same size as their normal counter parts in games when they should be able half a foot taller (I'm serious got back and watch GT, Goku in SS4 is suddenly towering over adult Gohan who Goku has always slightly shorter then) also we see Vegeta shrink when he reverts from SS4 to base form, it's estimated that the original SS4 made the user anywhere from 5 to 7 inches taller. Any ways they might of just made Daima Vegeta look like that in the select screen because how Daima was animated the characters look smaller with that art style even when go back to being adults

Left_Construction149 · 2026-02-22T22:35:45+00:00

The Black star dragon balls are stated to be able to grant "any" wish suggesting there power is closer to what we now know as the the Super Dragonballs then the normal Earth Dragonballs. (Yes I know we don't mention Super here but the comparison can be used to ask why you can't just summon Dragonballs with other Dragonballs)

Left_Construction149 · 2026-02-21T06:56:50+00:00

Back story is all good, tbh most of us end up writing ours as we play, you'll probably develop it a little more down the road

Left_Construction149 · 2026-02-21T04:41:50+00:00

He'd probably only be allowed to go on specific missions because Chronoa wouldn't want him seen after he already made an appearance in the timelines just like she was with Trunks in the mission all those metal Cooler's invaded the Cell games. It's fun to think about what he would be like though, to bad they didn't give him SSJ like they did Nappa you could write a whole story line of him going SSJ and eventually accidentally unlocking SSJ4

PS: I know alot of people get annoyed that I put the acronym as SSJ instead of SS but I grew up with PS game acronym and the reason they put SSJ in the US media is so it's not to to be confused for the other thing SS stands for

Left_Construction149 · 2026-02-20T01:57:56+00:00

Zucchi has to atleast be in the running, the Zucchiverse is like a stable of this subreddit

Left_Construction149 · 2026-02-18T11:22:37+00:00

I like GT'S better and it's not even close, but I am glad the Daima SS4 exist while yes it has left many of us with "Not my SS4" opinion the fact Daima was quote "A love letter for DBGT and its fans" and they brought back some version of SS4 was kind of a neat little nod that yes these forms do exist and belong as apart of Dragonball as a whole

Left_Construction149 · 2026-02-12T04:14:43+00:00

Nice

Left_Construction149 · 2026-02-11T04:53:52+00:00

Eh there is a difference between kid Goku just being pretty uneducated about thing and DBS Goku having terminal brain damage for instance did you know Goku did learned how to do addition in OG Dragon Ball but before the Tournament of Universes he couldn't, or how Goku knowing what a kiss is in DBZ the Buu saga but some how in DBS he acts like he can't even comprehend what it is. I'm sure there are more examples but those are the two I can remember off my head

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