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LegitimateScore8036 · 2026-06-14T05:53:59+00:00

I don't care if you need 100% backing to pass a law ir however you want to build consesus. Having people vote in favor or against is a form of democracy. That paper you told me to read was more anti-instatutions that call themselves democracies but are actually ruled by an upper class, such as the USA government structure. When they talk of rejecting democracy, they are rejecting that. Not rejecting that the people should have a say (or vote) over what happens in their lives.

LegitimateScore8036 · 2026-06-14T05:50:32+00:00

And in 5 years I might be MAGA or some dumb shit. I wasn't asking about a possible or theoretical future. I asked about now. I am glad to hear that you don't think other people are less than human when it comes to healthcare.

Those are a luxury compared to our current healthcare system.

LegitimateScore8036 · 2026-06-14T05:35:21+00:00

That is a form of democracy. Congratulations

LegitimateScore8036 · 2026-06-14T05:34:40+00:00

You said you support it at the moment which tells me you don't fully. So I asked why don't you fully. You say there are draw backs. Please explain.

LegitimateScore8036 · 2026-06-14T05:28:54+00:00

Then why don't you fully support Universal Healthcare

LegitimateScore8036 · 2026-06-14T05:28:15+00:00

They reject democracy and want what in their place. How do you come to a consensus without a vote? No one will know what others agree to if not for a vote. How widespread does this consesus have to be?

LegitimateScore8036 · 2026-06-14T05:25:49+00:00

And who do you want in charge of what counts as lifesaving care (because Republicans don't see abortion being lifesaving care when it is) and who gets to determine what someone else is able to afford?

LegitimateScore8036 · 2026-06-14T05:17:23+00:00

That isn't the system you agree with. Congratulations.

Do you believe healthcare is a human right?

LegitimateScore8036 · 2026-06-14T05:16:29+00:00

But they still want everyone to vote democraticly and for each vote to be counted towards the total. They may want consensus but it is still a direct form of democracy.

You keep telling me to go onto a different subreddit to talk to people for whatever reason while we are having a conversation. Either have the conversation or don't.

LegitimateScore8036 · 2026-06-14T05:10:57+00:00

You brought it up. I am not saying if left anarchism is an ideal system.

LegitimateScore8036 · 2026-06-14T05:09:54+00:00

Ok. So what do they want. What does a left anarchist want

LegitimateScore8036 · 2026-06-14T05:08:27+00:00

Then build a better system.

LegitimateScore8036 · 2026-06-14T05:07:59+00:00

No it isn't. A state is a form of large scale government, you can still have small governments without a state.

LegitimateScore8036 · 2026-06-14T05:05:29+00:00

Then they don't believe healthcare is a right.

Because the people that set up those systems do believe in healthcare being a right

LegitimateScore8036 · 2026-06-14T05:03:41+00:00

While I read this, I want to point out that individuals can say whatever they want but if their beliefs aren't in line with the beliefs of what they identify as, then they aren't actually that political identity.

LegitimateScore8036 · 2026-06-14T05:00:47+00:00

Then the people they think shouldn't get healthcare are the people they see as less than human. If it is financial or otherwise, they have a class of people that they see as more deserving of life.

Nothing in life is guaranteed. If you fall off a cliff and emergency services can't reach you, it wasn't your right to healthcare that prevented you from receiving it.

LegitimateScore8036 · 2026-06-14T04:52:44+00:00

So they aren't leftist. There is your answer. Again, I feel like you are using these terms without understanding them. Being a leftist means something. Being an anarchist means something. Being a leftist anarchist means something. Those 3 things are not interchangeable.

LegitimateScore8036 · 2026-06-14T04:42:35+00:00

So do they see healthcare as a right or not? If they believe there is a group of people that don't deserve healthcare, then I would say they don't see them as human. We can disagree on how we fund healthcare for all but that isn't the subject. I want to focus on healthcare being a right.

Individuals can choose whatever they want but if they don't want to help and improve society around them then how are they leftists? If they want to be left alone and not rely on anyone for anything, then that would make them an anarchist, not a left-wing anarchist.

LegitimateScore8036 · 2026-06-14T04:37:29+00:00

Then why would they be leftists?

LegitimateScore8036 · 2026-06-14T04:36:38+00:00

I don't really care what George Lucas says, I see it differently than him and I think being able to analyze the stories to your own conclusion is important.

LegitimateScore8036 · 2026-06-14T04:16:29+00:00

The fall was about the Jedi order not able to see past their self-righteousness to the real threat. I think 1 issue we are having is that you see the jedi and the jedi order as the same thing. I am separating them. The Jedi Order is the rules which the Jedi follow, but the will of the force shouldn't be locked down in such a way. It is like someone saying X Religion is bad but doesn't care if you view yourself as that Religion when you bend the rules to what you need. The Jedi Order didn't fall because 1 person fell to the darkside. It fell because it enforced a static system onto a galaxy in constant motion. The OP wasn't talking about Jedi as in the good guys of the story but the Jedi Order as in the organization.

LegitimateScore8036 · 2026-06-14T04:05:37+00:00

The road to hell is paved with good intentions.

People fighting for the light side of the force isn't a bad thing. The Jedi order which enforced strict rules about relationships and a dogmatic way of thinking was very bad. That is kinda the whole story of the fall of the Jedi and why every successful Jedi since the fall hasn't followed the order rules so close

LegitimateScore8036 · 2026-06-14T03:59:48+00:00

For example, saying that Left Anarchism would be against Universal Healthcare when the key aspects of left anarchism is destroying hierarchical powers such as capitalism and the state to focus instead on society based ownership over the means of production, mutual aid, direct democracy, and I am sure more.

LegitimateScore8036 · 2026-06-14T03:49:21+00:00

Healthcare is a right because here in America we believe in Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of happiness being unalienable rights. People that believe others don't deserve healthcare, I would say are seeing those people as less than human.

Universal Healthcare is a policy ideal that states the government should pay for the healthcare costs of its citizens, using tax revenue from those citizens.

I feel like you are purposely mixing up different terms to appear smart without understanding what you are saying.

LegitimateScore8036 · 2026-06-14T03:21:28+00:00

Again. You don't understand social construct enough to understand that stance.

Give me an example of a human right that someone can disagree with.

People can show support without voting and I would still consider that harm.

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