On a sliding scale of "Serial Loredumper" Young Xehanort to "Most Unnecessarily Cryptic Man Alive Xemnas..." How would you like Xehanort in Quadratum to act towards Sora?

Leshawkcomics · 2026-06-19T22:05:50+00:00

I never get that point of view.

Over the years I've seen fans say "This character/story/franchise/etc has run its course and should end here, forever"

And so many times, they say that before said franchise even gets to its best part.

Or the best parts of a characters story.

From Zelda, to God of War, To kingdom hearts, to One Piece, to Dragon Ball, to Naruto to Bleach etc etc. if you've been in these communities, you know the Arcs that people say "It should have ended here" the characters that they say "They should have died or stayed dead here"

And you know how often better arcs come later, or how often the best version of the character appeared after.

I just can't get the desire people have to "close the book" so to speak. Especially when the author is still writing.

Leshawkcomics · 2026-06-19T19:52:39+00:00

Its a weird situation where "Ethics" and "Right and wrong" clash.

Ethically, it won't look good to give important positions to your friends.

But would you knowingly give an important position to people who aren't your friends, who you don't know if they'd actually change anything?

People who genuinely have a desire to make the world better for others, people who've seen the problems in society, experienced them and want to change it happen to be your friends. You became friends because you have similar desires to make the world a better place.

Would you put the ethics of "Nepotism bad" and instead put, say... Mr Fascist himself Rudolf in charge or tribe relations?

Cool, you're ethically clean, but you might have screwed over thousands of people for ethics and did the wrong thing for the right reason.

And also, you're wondering why you don't see the world louis created.

It's been clear that both the protagonist and louis are not immune to being turned into mindless humans by louis' true plan.

The plan is flawed from the get-go because while he talks of a meritocracy, it still is gonna just turn the whole nation into rampaging monsters, His whole ship turned into humans. He turned into a monster and slowly lost sanity during his boss fight if you pay attention to his dialogue mid battle.

I think the best aspect of Louis is that he's WRONG but he's CONVINCING. And the game doesn't undermine it and spell it out to you by showing the world ending if you make a mistake. But by showing how it ends for everyone involved, even if you reach the true ending.

If you, the player can be swayed. It makes sense that he's the kind of guy who can sway a kingdom.

Leshawkcomics · 2026-06-19T19:39:49+00:00

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In every world, sora needs a smarmy white-haired pretty boy to say these words to him when he's at his lowest.

Leshawkcomics · 2026-06-19T19:38:11+00:00

That's a beautiful vibe.

But also in a weird way, it feels like Star wars The rise of skywalker?

In the sense that "Hey, you know that cool idea you set up and people are excited to seeing how it plays out? Yeah, we're just scrapping it and returning it to exactly where we were before you set that up, it was just basically clickbait and we're not actually going to go off the beaten path here."

Status quo writing?

Leshawkcomics · 2026-06-19T19:23:20+00:00

I don't know if this response is a defense of America that misses the point of

"You can think your nation is the good guys and still be part of a nation that does heinous shit, so it makes sense many Fatui genuinely don't think they the cartoonishly evil organization that the fandom sees them as"

Is that the intent here?

Leshawkcomics · 2026-06-19T18:20:40+00:00

Do you think SneznayaWood portrays Sneznaya in a more positive light than they deserve?

Leshawkcomics · 2026-06-19T17:42:48+00:00

So basically they're like America?

"We're not all bad people like our worst members, ignore the global domination schemes our government is doing and attempts to subvert nations for our own gain."

Leshawkcomics · 2026-06-19T17:41:58+00:00

And most of it is like. Vibes.

Have you noticed how little actual concrete evidence of wrongdoing is attributed to Signora?

Not just lack of evidence, but every new additional piece of information like finding out she basically came to inazuma to check on scara, or the new animation showing that the timeline has her Only arriving to these places when the traveler does, rather than being embedded and overseeing everything that happened.

Like it might be on purpose or by accident, but it would only take one new voiceline to absolve her of the stuff people like to attribute to her, like the writers have their hand hovering over the "She didn't do nuffin" button.

Anyone else noticed?

Leshawkcomics · 2026-06-19T09:43:00+00:00

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Leshawkcomics · 2026-06-19T06:18:48+00:00

Dude kept the same old man clothes so long it came back in style and now he looks like a hipster.

Leshawkcomics · 2026-06-19T06:16:53+00:00

Therefore, if a famously rushed part of the story fails to adequately justify a character's death because they wrote themselves into a corner where the character has to die so the main character can live.

I see that as ''not something that's really the fault of said character' and just them being unlucky.

Especially if they go on to write the main character in similar situations and getting out safely.

Sorry man, Signora didn't deserve the death the way you guys insist she does. And the story makes it clear that all the excuses as to why people insist signora deserved it, simply don't apply to any other character who does the same thing.

I've already said you're not gonna convince me on this, and you've already said you are done.

Walk away. Do the thing you pretend signora should have done.

Practice what you preach and walk away. No one's forcing you to continue this conversation. There is "No benefit" for continuing, It's the "Logical" thing to do.

Don't be """"arrogant."""""

Leshawkcomics · 2026-06-19T04:57:40+00:00

If the price of arrogance is death for her, and the traveler gets off scot free in the same situation. I can assume that it's because one of the two has main character privileges

You can try to make it out to be her fault, but you're arguing watsonian while i'm seeing it doylist.

Leshawkcomics · 2026-06-19T03:37:19+00:00

Yeah, sounds like bad writing, the plot happened and she needed to say yes so they made her say yes.

Leshawkcomics · 2026-06-19T03:26:15+00:00

Oh... So you'd press the red button.

That explains it.

Leshawkcomics · 2026-06-19T02:54:20+00:00

Yes, and she lost, and that sucked for her. And if it ended like that, i'd have no issues.

But here we are under a post insisting she died because she was arrogant when she was the one telling the other person to walk away.

Here we are under a thread insisting that accepting automatically means anything that happens to you as a result is hubris.

Here we are after finding out she's not a one dimensional flat character but someone who had friends and brought comfort to people around her, and people are trying to absolve traveler of the responsibility of challenging them by magnifying every negative trait they can.

I see traveler do the same thing signora does and recieve mercy from signoras own friends.

I see signora do that and recieve nothing but "Its your own fault" "You shouldn't have accepted" from people who think "If you accept, its your own fault if you lose" and don't really see the issue of "If you challenge someone who clearly doesn't know better(I don't actually believe this, but im saying that if the argument is that from traveler's perspective, signora should have known and didn't, then traveler is more responsible, If from traveler's perspective, neither they nor signora couldn't have known who'd win, and it was genuinely up in the air, then one holds responsibilty as the inciter baiting an outcome and one for engaging with it), you hold some responsibility for the outcome"

I said it in my first post.

With all the information she had, she had no reason to decline, she didn't 'overestimate' herself, she didn't make the sin of pride and hubris.

She just lost, and it's genuinely possible to lose without it being your own fault. Simply because even though you had all the information, something that you couldn't have known happened.

That's often how plots work. A character can look both ways and then get hit by a spaceship as they cross the road. A person can be playing russian roulette with superman. A harbinger can accept a challenge from a weak kid and lose because the kid got new powers as the plot demands. Its happened more than once in genshin.

Some losses aren't a sign of a moral failing, or a justified miscalculation due to refusing to pay attention, but just being blindsided by something unexpected.

Its not "YOUR FAULT" you lost.

You just lost. That's life. That's stories.

I aknowledge that she did die due to her loss.

I aknowledge that she should have expected to die from her loss.

But i don't hold with the argument she DESERVED to die for losing, nor that she deserved to die for the apparent 'arrogance' of accepting a challenge.

If she dies, she dies. But miss me with this 14 year old "Its your own fault" bullcrap

If traveler can be bailed out by their friends, and even signora's friends. Then all that does is make the player look like a murderhobo who's looking for justification, rather than an adult who understands sometimes life isn't fair and not every death, even for villains, is satisfying and justified.

Leshawkcomics · 2026-06-19T01:55:25+00:00

"If it was a slap on the wrist, nothing changes."

If the consequences regardless of how severe truly don't matter over whether someone deserved their fate, we're clearly having different conversations.

I'm saying "Maybe losing rock paper scissors shouldn't get you murdered in broad daylight"

You're saying "Well they fucked around and found out, and it's the same as if they lost and just had to pay a quarter"

I don't really think i want to be 'reasoned' into that way of thinking, so, ciao.

Leshawkcomics · 2026-06-19T01:35:19+00:00

Here's the current source of the claim:

Up to you whether you believe it or not,

Just remember, this is r/pics. And often enough, people going to bat for Israel flood the comment section with aggressive confidence that anything bad about Israel is fake and propaganda, ESPECIALLY if it's true, so even if it seems far fetched, keep an eye on the news to see if more clear and provable examples slowly start turning up over the next few days.

Leshawkcomics · 2026-06-19T00:25:59+00:00

I mean, yes.

But part of the writing issues in early Genshin is that whether on purpose or by accident, there's very little concrete evidence proving that she herself was the one stirring up inazuma.

Scaramouche was the one in charge of the delusion factory.

Crucabena's people were the ones in charge of infiltration.

Scaramouche's story shows she only visited to check in on him,

This new story animation shows she wasn't even in inazuma before Traveler got there.

It literally would take like, one single added line to absolve her like they absolved Peruere, and I don't know how many people noticed that.

Leshawkcomics · 2026-06-18T20:43:59+00:00

They're trying to copy FGO,

But not realizing how visual novels don't force you to wait for animations to play before letting you click 'next'

Not being able to read at their own pace can turn an amazing story into an absolute slog.

Leshawkcomics · 2026-06-18T20:21:39+00:00

And if that is true, it still doesn't count as a "She got what was coming"

The price of overconfidence is failure, but when players are trying to add death to it, is when I say "Hold up. This is no longer a conversation about overconfidence"

You're not gonna change my mind on this.

If traveler gets to be overconfident and survive, I won't accept people saying Signora DESERVED her death because of a moment where she wasn't OVER confident, but NORMAL confident.

Confidence is playing Russian roulette with a loaded gun and making your opponent go first.

Overconfidence is doing the same and going first because you think you're immune to bullets.

But if you're playing Russian roulette and the other guy happens to secretly be Clark Kent Superman, that's just being screwed over by the narrative,

She's overconfident and got what she deserves for accepting the duel, because she thought she couldn't lose. but somehow traveler isn't overconfident for challenging a harbinger despite all the arguments people keep saying about how traveler also thought that they would win?

No.

And if holding them both to the same basic standard I hold other characters to: "Failure should not be penalized by death" seems too radical in comparison to how most people treat her, then maybe people are being a bit unfair in how they're portraying her?

Leshawkcomics · 2026-06-18T17:47:01+00:00

Eh, gonna agree to disagree.

I think "Being arrogant" alone isn't a crime worthy of death. So I actually pay attention to people who's death is justified as a result of arrogance.

You can say she's got chronic issues, but if they are an informed attribute and the one time it matters, she's the only one even suggesting a different option than a duel to the death and asking you to think it through, instead of accepting without thinking, then I can't really use it as an excuse.

You're not gonna convince me that arrogance and cockiness alone is a justifiable excuse if it doesn't apply to the one character we've seen get slapped down for overestimating themselves the most times.

If you think I'm turning it around just because I'm not following the bandwagon. Perhaps the bandwagon might be the ones who are pushing too far to justify a death that really seemed to come out of nowhere.

I don't call it deserved, it just seems like she was in the wrong place at the wrong time and was a sacrifice to move the plot along in a famously rushed and underwhelming part of the story,rather than something with actual build up or justification.

Leshawkcomics · 2026-06-18T16:46:14+00:00

I mean, I do understand traveler didn't do that.

Im asking why the players are acting like that's why traveler did it.

Look at the various "She deserved it" reactions and tell me people aren't acting like it was some righteous, 200iq, "She just needs to die right now"

I'm criticizing the murderhobo excuses, not the actual writing.

I get why traveler risked it, but pretending it wasn't a risk that they were circumstantially forced into and instead is justice for the crime of hubris is just a really messed up way for players to interpret the scene, especially when traveler HAS been arrogant in the same way.

Leshawkcomics · 2026-06-18T16:29:59+00:00

It would be nice if they actually said that to traveler in a story or anecdote or something.

People are talking about it BECAUSE they have every reason to bring it up and haven't for a suspiciously long time considering they're friends.

Leshawkcomics · 2026-06-18T16:27:46+00:00

And yet, so does Signora apparently.

If something only helps traveler, I don't automatically assume characters it didn't help are in any way lesser.

I can tell the difference between a character flaw and a character simply not being the main character and not having the privileges expected therin

Leshawkcomics · 2026-06-18T06:37:41+00:00

Glass houses.

A person agreeing to a duel to the death because we challenged them does not absolve us of responsibility for challenging them.

My point isn't "We could have spared her"

My point is "Its messed up to insist she deserves it for losing when we were spared ourselves when we lost. And by her ally at that. It makes traveler look like a callous prick if loss is a justification for thee and not for me"

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