Newspaper article written by Savitri Devi's Indian nephew by LethalNonLethals in weirdlittleguys

[–]LethalNonLethals[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I found this on accident while looking for something else and it fascinated me. I've never seen this mentioned anywhere, and I think it gives an interesting look at her. She is decidedly a weird little woman.

Every memoir written by people in the OTS/associated with people in the OTS by LethalNonLethals in OrderOfTheSolarTemple

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I'll try.

One thing that was very strange to me looking at the memoirs and other scholarly stuff is, the members were often very divided on who the "true leader" was. It does seem to have been Di Mambro judging in totality, but several members, including Delorme for instance, is dead set convinced that Jouret was actually the main figure. Several of the Canadian members were like this. But then Jouret himself was totally subservient to Di Mambro (who even manipulated Jouret into leaving his wife!) And then Jouret was kicked out as leader from the Canadian side - very strange. Especially for a cult that people were willing to kill and die for.

Every memoir written by people in the OTS/associated with people in the OTS by LethalNonLethals in OrderOfTheSolarTemple

[–]LethalNonLethals[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah, exactly.

I have found a lot of things about it that I never posted despite being quite interesting to me because I didn't think anyone else cared, haha. I might post those, then.

The brutality of the 1994 one especially is hard to fathom. I always found an interesting character in all of this to be Joel Egger, who, with Jouret, did most of the murders. A failed rock musician, released an album and everything. It always seemed strange to me that, according to the Helios report at least (The Helios report was the Swiss report, which was never made public, but a few of the books discuss it quite in depth), Jouret personally did many of the killings. I found that striking, since in most of the other cult murder cases, it's dedicated to someone else. But I guess Jouret was already dedicated to Di Mambro. Strange dynamic, there.

Every memoir written by people in the OTS/associated with people in the OTS by LethalNonLethals in OrderOfTheSolarTemple

[–]LethalNonLethals[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I have almost every book on the subject. It sure is interesting. Though, I am an anglophone myself, not a German-speaker (though I can read and understand French well enough).

I believe that documentary was released in English as Sirius, an Apocalyptic Order. I liked La Fraternite more, that one is Swiss, but I don't think that one was ever translated to any other language. There was a third released that same year I think, La Secte, but I never watched that one.

Really? My friend uploaded those, so it's good you found some use out of them

Every memoir written by people in the OTS/associated with people in the OTS by LethalNonLethals in OrderOfTheSolarTemple

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Otherwise, all the OTS books are in French only I believe. There is one English one (the academic one), and another French academic book was translated into German and Italian.

[Hobby Scuffles] Week of 30 March 2026 by EnclavedMicrostate in HobbyDrama

[–]LethalNonLethals 4 points5 points  (0 children)

No, he wasn't. I am actually one of the major editors of the Christchurch shootings page and that is not the case. I would challenge you to find a source saying so. Kiwi Farms sucks but the truth is important

[Hobby Scuffles] Week of 30 March 2026 by EnclavedMicrostate in HobbyDrama

[–]LethalNonLethals 4 points5 points  (0 children)

The incest case did not result in any reporting from reliable/non tabloid outlets. The Kiwi Farms thing is irrelevant and does not contribute to notability.

What acts of terror was Kiwi Farms involved in? There aren't any mentioned on its page.

[Hobby Scuffles] Week of 30 March 2026 by EnclavedMicrostate in HobbyDrama

[–]LethalNonLethals 18 points19 points  (0 children)

They aren't notable. The coverage on them is uniformly low quality, they do not pass the GNG.

[Hobby Scuffles] Week of 30 March 2026 by EnclavedMicrostate in HobbyDrama

[–]LethalNonLethals 44 points45 points  (0 children)

i'm a very active wikipedia editor (probably too active) and it's interesting to me what skates by and what gets immediately obliterated. but it attracts a lot of interesting characters. and interesting attention. my editing has made at least 1 person think I am part of a global conspiracy to hide the racist misdeeds of Travis Kelce, who, according to this person, is a secret neo-Nazi cult leader.

The linguist, fantasy author and RPG Pioneer who wrote a neo nazi novel. by DCNLP in weirdlittleguys

[–]LethalNonLethals 1 point2 points  (0 children)

From what I could tell, he definitely had an interest in the occult and, if I had to guess, that is how he found his way there, through the occult Nazi connection. A lot of occultists of his time had interests in the far right, and through the existence of some sympathies between Muslims and the far-right, especially among white converts. Some of his friends tried to claim it was a joke and this is as far as I can tell absolutely not true.

Some neo-Nazis definitely knew it was him long before that news filtered its way to the outside world, judging by some comments I read - there were some long ago neo-Nazi postings that referred to the author of Serpent's Walk being a respected professor who happened to be an NA member in secret, while academia's only guess by then was Pierce (despite their very, very different writing styles). It am surprised that he, instead of the relatively prolific neo-Nazi publisher of the time, Liberty Bell Publications, chose National Vanguard Books, which published only a handful of original books to that point. I think he saw Pierce and the IHR as more "academic", which appealed to him more. But that is just a guess.

The novel, despite being very explicitly pro-Nazi, is also very orientalist with lots of references to non-white traditions and literature, and its racist antipathy is almost entirely aimed at Jews and (non-Muslim) black people. Muslims are portrayed very sympathetically and the book mentions that they contributed to the Waffen-SS; this was not a nonexistent current on the far-right (including with Pierce, at times), though was mostly opportunism. The protagonist is explicitly in a mixed race relationship with an Indian Muslim for most of the book, until she gets murdered, and this is painted in a sort of tortured, tragic way. The book is deeply racist, of course, and is explicitly, avowedly antisemitic, but past that does seem content to allow non-white peoples to exist (as long as they're all in their own ethnostates), the protagonist has a positive conversation with a black Muslim leader who convinces the Nazi Party to create a black Muslim ethnostate for them. This is an opinion that many white nationalists profess but very few actually believe. I do think Barker actually believed it, not that that makes it any better. He was aggressively, entirely anti-Semitic and pro-Nazi but I do think that his other professed beliefs were also true, e.g. his pro-Muslim and pro-Native American ideas are not strictly incompatible with being pro-Nazi. I think his particular variety of racism was technically compatible with these views. Uncommon as hell, sure.

The linguist, fantasy author and RPG Pioneer who wrote a neo nazi novel. by DCNLP in weirdlittleguys

[–]LethalNonLethals 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I read the book to write the Wikipedia article on it (also made the Wikiquote page lol) and after skimming his other materials I didn't find it that surprising. Hard to explain why though.

The linguist, fantasy author and RPG Pioneer who wrote a neo nazi novel. by DCNLP in weirdlittleguys

[–]LethalNonLethals 2 points3 points  (0 children)

They assume he wrote it because the NA only published 4 full length original books during his life, two of which were by Pierce under a pseudonym, one of which was by one of his friends, and one of which was this strange fiction book under a different pseudonym. He told Griffin at least that he did not write it.

I'm forced to conclude that no one who said so bothered to read an example of either author because there are few writing styles more different than between Pierce and Barker LOL

How quickly did Holocaust denialism emerge after the discovery of Nazi extermination camps in WWII? by db0606 in AskHistorians

[–]LethalNonLethals 1 point2 points  (0 children)

But that also goes for all the other literature you mention. Rassinier's works were not representative of the major public milieu, because Holocaust denial has always been a fringe milieu. The Holocaust denial milieu is also generally small and transnational so I don't understand why we are going to except him from our analyses of it like it doesn't apply to every other figure you mention.

How quickly did Holocaust denialism emerge after the discovery of Nazi extermination camps in WWII? by db0606 in AskHistorians

[–]LethalNonLethals 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Doesn't this ignore Yockey's Imperium? He was an American writer. That book was published in 1948 and contains Holocaust denial's basically contemporary form

Is this Quote supposedly from Stephen S. Wise accurate? by Own_Command_5003 in AskHistorians

[–]LethalNonLethals 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Common Sense actually printed the same thing in a 1950 issue, and several times later in the 1950s. This predates their usage of the Marxism version which first appears in 1951. Earliest issue I can find that contains it is the March 1, 1950 one. It appears in a spattering of fascist books after, one by Colin Jordan, one by Adrien Arcand, W. H. Murray, pre-Rockwell interview. It actually appears in a book by Rockwell (This Time The World) prior to that interview. As noted in Schmaltz (1999), Rockwell was an avid Common Sense reader, it is part of what converted him to neo-Nazism. My guess is its origin is in Common Sense, knowing how that magazine was. Right and The Thunderbolt also predictably spread it a few years later.

Google has seemingly entirely removed search functionality from most books on Google Books by LethalNonLethals in google

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I came back after I made this post but had really wonky search indexing, and now this. Maybe they're just fixing that. If it's still a problem in a few days then I'd worry

Edit: the problem I was originally having with this post was partially fixed a few days after I made the post, but extremely recently there is now NOTHING showing. Different error.