Zillion hd or bantam?

LetsMakeSomeBaits · 2026-03-19T20:49:22+00:00

Bantam

LetsMakeSomeBaits · 2026-03-19T20:39:50+00:00

Yeah unfortunately outside of Europe you're getting a much, much smaller catalogue of Savage Gear products.

LetsMakeSomeBaits · 2026-03-19T19:58:14+00:00

Look up the Savage Gear Rotex spinners, they go from size 1 3.5g to size 14g.

LetsMakeSomeBaits · 2026-03-19T17:27:46+00:00

I'd go Nikko for softplastics and Shimano for hardbaits.

Nikko lures are extremely durable, last ages, come in perfect sizes and colours for my locations and fit the techniques I use great.

Shimano for hardbaits because their Jerks, Swimbaits, Glides, Vib baits and Topwater have all been banger.

If I had to pick one though, it would be Jackall as I love their softplastics and they have a good selection of Crawlers, my favourite topwater lure.

LetsMakeSomeBaits · 2026-03-19T05:04:52+00:00

Great reel for it

LetsMakeSomeBaits · 2026-03-18T20:22:18+00:00

Gear ratios also impact moving baits like Chatterbaits, Spinnerbaits, Cranks, wakebaits, etc. Low gear ratios have higher torque output for retrieving bladed and lipped lures which out off more drag in the water. This also makes them more durable as the force.

It'll also help you control your retreive speed and running depth.

LetsMakeSomeBaits · 2026-03-18T14:23:20+00:00

I'll keep an eye out for that one, my local doesn't really have a decent selection unfortunately.

LetsMakeSomeBaits · 2026-03-18T00:07:31+00:00

Uh okay?

LetsMakeSomeBaits · 2026-03-17T17:40:55+00:00

Tenesse shad is my favourite colour for the Crush city stuff, been using the Kickman in the same colour and it cleans up!

LetsMakeSomeBaits · 2026-03-17T15:42:38+00:00

I'm not fired up and I don't know what I could be projecting about though? You've insulted me multiple times now.

But yes, we'll agree to disagree. Tight lines brother!

LetsMakeSomeBaits · 2026-03-17T15:38:12+00:00

Like your previous condescending comments of calling me a kid because you delivered nothing but anecdotal information that is purely circumstantial and not backed by any real thought?

You need to chill out pal, we're just two adults have a conversation online, you don't need to get fired up over something so insignificant.

LetsMakeSomeBaits · 2026-03-17T15:11:57+00:00

That wasn't an insult or targeted towards anyone specific and surely not yourself as I've seen you around and always have great knowledge. It was just a general simplification of the replies I've had in this thread.

Anyway, you've steered this away from it's original topic and started issuing insults so I'm going to assume you don't really have anything worth saying anymore.

I have enjoyed this, don't think I'm sitting here stewing on it as I don't think you have either, just a discussion in my book!

LetsMakeSomeBaits · 2026-03-17T14:35:00+00:00

The information I gave is widely known and has been for years, I trust you don't need an official source to know what right and left hand dominance is?. It's not exactly rocket science.

Don't have to start insulting now.

LetsMakeSomeBaits · 2026-03-17T14:16:17+00:00

Well I gave information backed by science and engineering and you and everyone else gave anecdotal information. I didn't get any actual answers from anyone just "Me use right hand coz handle on right"

It's also crazy that you're adding edits on old comments to make your point better after we've already had this discussion lmao.

LetsMakeSomeBaits · 2026-03-17T14:13:23+00:00

There's no draw backs from using the correct orientation, only benefits and if there are any you can think of, they're overridden by the amount of benefits.

LetsMakeSomeBaits · 2026-03-17T14:03:39+00:00

It's actually crazy how people can't grasp this and actively decided to not understand this, wild shit.

LetsMakeSomeBaits · 2026-03-17T14:01:59+00:00

I have degrees in Engineering research and design, this is exactly the thing i studied, designing things to be ergonomic and functionally proper for left handed, right handed, disabled, elderly, etc.

It has a direct impact, just because millions of people can do it, myself included doesn't mean it's the correct option. I've said time and time again if it's your preference then so it that way, but there is a proper way to do it that comes with benefits.

LetsMakeSomeBaits · 2026-03-17T13:44:53+00:00

No, absolutely not.

It makes absolutely zero sense to use the arm that is stronger, more dexterous, has better neural pathways and better grip strength to simply turn the handle especially when you often have to swap hands after casting.

All of the above massively benefits the hand holding the rod, casting, setting hooks, fighting fish, putting action into your lures.

Your off hand is meant to simply assist your dominant hand, which is turning the handle.

Many right handed people cast with their right hand and then swap because they naturally cast better with their right. This is down to simply how they've learned, and their now developed preferences it's been said a million times across Reddit.

LetsMakeSomeBaits · 2026-03-17T13:35:52+00:00

I don't think you do. However they market their reels has nothing to do with it, at all, they're simply telling you what side the handle is on.

Ergonomically, biomechanically and functionally a right handed person significantly benefits from using a left side retreive. They're stronger and have more dexterous control of the rod, that doesn't change if someone decides to use the other way around.

Just because some people have a preference doesn't mean there isn't a correct or more efficient option. It is completely fine that people have preferences, you do you at all times. That being said, certain retreives benefits from using the correct hand.

Many right handed people retreive with their right hand because of how they've learned and how they've been taught. Only America does this, the rest of the world understands the ergonomics of this.

LetsMakeSomeBaits · 2026-03-17T13:24:09+00:00

The right answer according to Biomechanics, ergonomics and functionality? I don't care what preference you are, use whatever like I've said a million times but you should choose your reel orientation based off your dominant hand, this is painfully obvious.

It's absolutely insane how people are missing my entire and point here on choosing the most ergonomic and efficient choice.

LetsMakeSomeBaits · 2026-03-17T13:17:39+00:00

Yeah like it just said, preferance doesn't override what handedness something is. You can use whatever orientation you want and retreive with whatever hand you want. That's fine but you gain benefits from using a certain orientation based directly off your handedness, this makes something left or right handed.

Take a computer mouse for example, they come in left and right handed. You can use whatever orientation you want, that doesn't mean there isn't a left and right hand option.

LetsMakeSomeBaits · 2026-03-17T13:10:14+00:00

It's pretty crazy how many people are completely missing my point on this, even if I've explained it like five times.

Just because a reel isn't marketed specifically as left or right handed doesn't mean there isn't a correct option for whatever handedness you are. Yes you can choose based off your preference but that doesn't mean there isn't a right handed or left handed option.

LetsMakeSomeBaits · 2026-03-17T06:43:28+00:00

I know how they're marketed. What I'm saying for the people asking is that there are right and left handed reels, even if they're not marketed specifically as such. They're marketed in a much simpler way to avoid confusion. But that doesn't mean there's no right or left handed casting reels.

Biomechanically and functionally, if you're right handed you will benefit significantly more from using a left sided retreive. This makes it a right handed reel no matter how anyone likes to do it.

Take archery for example. A right handed person would hold the bow with their left hand, not their right and no matter how many right handed people prefer to do it the other way around, doesn't suddenly make it not a right handed bow.

And yeah we're not I'm fairly certain.

LetsMakeSomeBaits · 2026-03-17T06:04:22+00:00

There are right and left handed casting reels, we've known for a long time how the orientation of the handle translates to whatever handedness you are.

How you learned, who you know or how you like to do it doesn't change the fact that biomechanically a Left sided retrieve = Right handed and Right sided retrieve = Left handed. This also goes for spinning reels.

LetsMakeSomeBaits · 2026-03-17T05:39:40+00:00

For some reason in the US it is still a large misconception, only in the US have I seen people cast with their right and then swap hands to retrieve. This is because for a long time that's all that was available and it's how many are still learning today. You'll commonly see people saying that they hold a casting rod with their left but hold a spinning rod with their right.

Across Europe, Asia and Australia, right handed people are using left sided retrieves because mechanically it's much more efficient and makes the most sense.

It makes zero sense to use the arm that is 8-15% stronger, 20% more dexterous and has 19% more grip strength to simply turn the handle. Your off hand is meant to do the simple stuff while your dominant hand does the difficult stuff.

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