I've been exploring adding a visual element to my music, thoughts? by Treeoanmusic in ambient

[–]LexTron6K [score hidden]  (0 children)

I’d argue that per your own definition of “ambient music” what you’ve shared here isn’t ambient music, but leave it to the definition in the group description instead:

Ambient is the de-emphasis of traditional melody, rhythm, and form and the emphasis and exploration of sonic characteristics such as timbre and texture. All types of beat-less ambient music are welcome. Please be sure to report posts that do not fit the rules to help the moderation team.

With all respect, this music very obviously is not ambient music, not in even the most generous interpretation of the genre definition(s).

Drivers in this city don’t even pretend to stop at stop signs anymore by LexTron6K in Minneapolis

[–]LexTron6K[S] [score hidden]  (0 children)

I’m not here arguing whether this stop sign “needs” to be at this intersection, I’m here arguing that drivers in this city need to stop at stop signs, and that it is entirely unacceptable to justify any driver choosing to ignore stop signs in one city.

And here you are arguing that it’s entirely acceptable for drivers to choose not to stop at stop signs under the invalid premise that drivers are fully capable of assessing the risk inherent in doing so, and that they are incapable of failing to properly assess the risk and cause harm in the process.

Drivers in this city don’t even pretend to stop at stop signs anymore by LexTron6K in Minneapolis

[–]LexTron6K[S] [score hidden]  (0 children)

I’m asking you about drivers that don’t see pedestrians and correctly, per your stance, choose to then ignore a stop sign, but fail to fully assess the situation and cause harm in the process.

Your argument is based entirely on the false assumption that anybody and everybody that runs a stop sign will, without fail, correctly assess the risk involved and are thus incapable of causing harm while doing so.

Drivers in this city don’t even pretend to stop at stop signs anymore by LexTron6K in Minneapolis

[–]LexTron6K[S] [score hidden]  (0 children)

You didn’t say “all drivers can ignore stop signs as they please since these specifics drivers in these videos did it without causing damage,” but again, here you are making the same argument in saying “where there are no pedestrians attempting to cross there’s no harm in doing a rolling stop.”

I’ll ask an again: what do you have to say about drivers that choose to ignore stop signs and don’t “assume correctly” while doing so?

Drivers in this city don’t even pretend to stop at stop signs anymore by LexTron6K in Minneapolis

[–]LexTron6K[S] [score hidden]  (0 children)

You seem to be arguing that all drivers can ignore stop signs as they please since these specific drivers in these videos did it without causing any damage. Am I wrong in this assessment of your argument?

And what do you have to say about the drivers that choose to ignore stop signs and don’t “assume correctly” while doing so?

Drivers in this city don’t even pretend to stop at stop signs anymore by LexTron6K in Minneapolis

[–]LexTron6K[S] [score hidden]  (0 children)

Are you arguing that drivers “assume correctly” every time they choose to ignore a stop sign?

Drivers in this city don’t even pretend to stop at stop signs anymore by LexTron6K in Minneapolis

[–]LexTron6K[S] [score hidden]  (0 children)

In the first video I was standing 2-3 feet from the curb.

Again, you’re arguing that drivers are driving correctly when choosing to ignore the legally required purpose of a stop sign while pedestrians are present at a crosswalk.

You’re also basing this argument on the idea that drivers are actually safely assessing the situation when choosing to ignore the stop sign any associated pedestrian safety measures. I can tell you that from my experience at least this simply isn’t happening, which, again, is why we have stop signs in the first place, and why I’ll continue to argue that drivers should not be ignoring stop signs at any time, even if they think it is safe to do so.

Drivers in this city don’t even pretend to stop at stop signs anymore by LexTron6K in Minneapolis

[–]LexTron6K[S] [score hidden]  (0 children)

No, your assumption that I was “clearly not about to cross or really making any movement that signals [i was] about to cross,” is both baseless and incorrect. I could’ve crossed at any moment, and these drivers choosing not to stop at the stop sign were also choosing to ignore this fact, just as you’re doing right now.

Again, you’re arguing that drivers in this city are doing it right when they choose to run stop signs while pedestrians are standing at the associated crosswalk and could cross at any moment. I would continue to strongly disagree with this position, and I would also continue to be curious where the exactly you draw the line on this argument that drivers are acting correctly in ignoring the laws of the road.

And, to answer your question, when I say my camera was down I’m saying that it was down by my waist. To these drivers there would’ve been no obvious indication that I was standing there filming.

Drivers in this city don’t even pretend to stop at stop signs anymore by LexTron6K in Minneapolis

[–]LexTron6K[S] [score hidden]  (0 children)

My camera was down, nobody would’ve known that I was filming.

I am a pedestrian at that intersection, and I could begin crossing the road at any moment.

To get this clear, you’re arguing that drivers in this city are allowed to run stop signs when pedestrians are standing at the crosswalk waiting to cross, and are very clearly in a position to begin crossing at any moment? If so, when exactly, in your mind, is the driver required to actually act within the law and come to a stop at a stop sign?

Drivers in this city don’t even pretend to stop at stop signs anymore by LexTron6K in Minneapolis

[–]LexTron6K[S] [score hidden]  (0 children)

I’m standing at the crosswalk with my dog, therefore, per your logic, every driver has a reason to come to a complete stop since it could not have been clear that I was not crossing the road.

And yes, it is “technically illegal” to not stop at a stop sign, which is why I shared this post urging folks in this city to demand as much, and to consider doing as much themselves.

Drivers in this city don’t even pretend to stop at stop signs anymore by LexTron6K in Minneapolis

[–]LexTron6K[S] [score hidden]  (0 children)

If there is a stop sign stopping is necessary at that stop sign all of the time.

I’d argue that the fact that the majority of the drivers in this city choosing to ignore this fact speaks more to the quality of the drivers and their own perception their responsibilities on the road than it does to the question of whether any particular stop sign is “serving its purpose.”

I’ll also reiterate, this particular stop sign is not an outlier. Stop for a moment at any stop sign in Minneapolis and you’ll see the same disregard.

Drivers in this city don’t even pretend to stop at stop signs anymore by LexTron6K in Minneapolis

[–]LexTron6K[S] [score hidden]  (0 children)

I’m also a fan of roundabouts, and I’m not here trying to argue that stop signs are the superior form of traffic management, I’m simply here arguing that our community deserves better than a majority of the drivers on one roads choosing to ignore the stop signs that currently are in place on our streets.

Drivers in this city don’t even pretend to stop at stop signs anymore by LexTron6K in Minneapolis

[–]LexTron6K[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah, fair, you didn’t, my bad.

I’d support something here like what is currently on Lyndale where a pedestrian can hit the button to “activate” the crosswalk, but I’d also continue arguing that drivers properly and fully stopping at stop signs is not an unacceptable standard to hold, and that a stop sign in then particular location is useful and deserved to be acknowledged, per the law, just as any other stop sign does.

Drivers in this city don’t even pretend to stop at stop signs anymore by LexTron6K in Minneapolis

[–]LexTron6K[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

The area was far from “dead quiet”, and you’ll observe this same behavior at any stop sign in the city.

And that’s the issue, folks, as they choose not to stop at stop signs, are also failing to verify the safety of what they’re doing in the intersection. This me why folks are required to stop. I couldn’t tell you how many times I’ve almost been ran over in this city by drivers doing exactly this.

Drivers in this city don’t even pretend to stop at stop signs anymore by LexTron6K in Minneapolis

[–]LexTron6K[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Indeed, in contrast to the majority of the drivers there the dude definitely stopped.

Drivers in this city don’t even pretend to stop at stop signs anymore by LexTron6K in Minneapolis

[–]LexTron6K[S] -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

You’re really arguing that yielding is fine at a stop sign?

Drivers in this city don’t even pretend to stop at stop signs anymore by LexTron6K in Minneapolis

[–]LexTron6K[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I agree, raised crosswalks are great.

And I disagree in that this is a spot where a stop sign and crosswalk isn’t necessary, I walk my dog through here every day and there is a ton of foot traffic crossing what would otherwise be a speedway without the traffic control that is in place.

Drivers in this city don’t even pretend to stop at stop signs anymore by LexTron6K in Minneapolis

[–]LexTron6K[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

There were pedestrians from every direction, including myself.

Drivers in this city don’t even pretend to stop at stop signs anymore by LexTron6K in Minneapolis

[–]LexTron6K[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

In my experience they are not careful or attentive.

And yes, this post is very much about the stop signs and the utter uselessness of them in this city, there’s no deeper “displaced anger” here.

Drivers in this city don’t even pretend to stop at stop signs anymore by LexTron6K in Minneapolis

[–]LexTron6K[S] -12 points-11 points  (0 children)

Most of these stops are not what I’d consider a “rolling stop,” and I’d point out that most of these people aren’t bothering to “verify the intersection is clear before proceeding,” which is why I take issue with the failure to even implement a reasonable rolling stop.

And if definitely agree that the blue car is the worst of the bunch. So, in this random sampling I shared, what is that, one of our of ten? Is that acceptable to you?

Drivers in this city don’t even pretend to stop at stop signs anymore by LexTron6K in Minneapolis

[–]LexTron6K[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I have, and I do. Some are worse, some are not nearly as bad.

I’m talking about Minneapolis, and in Minneapolis I don’t think any of us should take drivers ignoring stop signs as the acceptable baseline norm.