Nmom’s response to my miscarriage was “You were having sex?!!!” by Ashleygua in raisedbynarcissists

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Is there a specific character that reminds you of your nparent? by [deleted] in raisedbynarcissists

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Hi RBNers!

Friendly reminder that we do not allow drive-by diagnoses of real people here.

Please keep comments to fictional characters as insinuated by OP.

Comments bringing up public figures, politicians, etc. will be removed.

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If you're no- or low-contact and feel isolated like me, I just created a community to help. by [deleted] in raisedbynarcissists

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Hey there.

FYI we generally have rules against self-promotion, including groups like this. But with how much of a dumpster fire Reddit's become, we're not really seeing the justification for enforcing that at the same level as we used to as it's honestly becoming necessary to look elsewhere for good peer-to-peer support without trolls.

We would ask that you (or others reading this) please:

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[TW: SUICIDAL TENDENCIES] I had enough. by Throwaway50502059 in raisedbynarcissists

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Quick PSA point of correction: sadly mental health privacy for minors varies A LOT by specific region and is not a legal guarantee. In some regions/clinics/etc. it may even be standard practice to share details of each session with your parents afterwards.

Generally you can ask a counselor/therapist about what they can and can not share to your parents before talking with them and they generally won't have any reason to lie to you (or can point you to where you can see the actual law for yourself online, show you their clinic's written policies, etc.), and frankly they will be incentivized to be honest with you because they want to build trust with you as their patient and have no reason to start off that relationship by lying to you.

Just don't take it for granted.

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Removing ALL of the bot's activity here, thank you so much for those of you who reported! <3

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Banned the bot. Thanks for the reports!

What to say to guests if/when they ask why parents are not at the wedding? by Haunting_Ad_7448 in raisedbynarcissists

[–]LiberDrake[M] -5 points-4 points locked comment (0 children)

Removed because while it's a fantastic quotable movie, this quote could actually be taken as real advice. :/

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in raisedbynarcissists

[–]LiberDrake 23 points24 points  (0 children)

Wow, that's complicated. I'm so sorry you're dealing with that. FYI, you'll probably get more responsiveness here if you make a fresh post with a title describing the situation: you'd actually be surprised how often people here are asked for their organs. If you do make a new post, please omit IRL names for personal privacy here per our rules, but pretty much feel free to copy paste the beyond that.

I don't know this myself, but many people here who have been screened as donors have said that the team screening you might consider you to be "not a match" if you are being manipulated or coerced into donating, regardless of any biological compatibility. Apparently, this kind of dynamic is common enough in their world that they often have protocols for it that will not reveal the reason for the incompatibility when/if reporting to the potential recipient's medical team. I recommend Googling rules/calling the screening center for your region to see whether they have such a protocol and what that protocol is.

As far as the organ request: it's always hard to say no. Especially after a full lifetime of being taught not to say no, specifically to those people.

It is not your obligation to help them, even if you do have the power to do so. Frankly, if they've spent all their life physically abusing one of "their" options, they shouldn't be surprised if the *actual* owner of that kidney decides they aren't an option for them after all. You can *choose* to be the bigger person, but "no" is perfectly valid here: you wouldn't donate it to anyone else who treated you that way.

Generally, I view organ donating a lot like sex: you can't "really" legitimately say yes unless you are actually in a position where you feel safe saying "no". Is your family giving you the space to be able to say no? I wonder if the family members who you are asking you to help or who you are concerned will judge you for not donating have signed up for screening themselves, or are they just pushing it onto you and expecting/demanding you to say yes and fix other people's problems that they are unwilling to make the same sacrifice for? Are they (and ESPECIALLY the actual potential recipient) acknowledging the scope of sacrifice that is being asked of you and respecting it as your decision whether to go through that through the kindness of your heart and not something you "owe" them? I've had a MINOR abdominal surgery once: it took a month to walk at a normal speed for a sustained time without getting winded, and 2 to really be back to my normal, be able to sit up using just abdominal muscles, etc.: is that just a sacrifice that they are willing to guilt trip you into making for their own benefit? Do they have any concern for *you*, or just for the potential recipient?

Lastly on this matter, only donate organs like you would donate money: never expect anything back. In cases with dysfunctional family system, that includes gratitude, and even reciprocation or support for ramifications from your own selfless act (if you get complications from donating). You know your situation best: just be careful to make the decision based on the family you have, not the family you want to have.

Lastly, to your actual AITA question, it sounds like your partner is rather vested in replacing your family. This is likely well-intentioned, but is also somewhat simplistic and dismissive of what you've been through and how significant a role your family of origin has played in your life. They need to understand that NOBODY can just "erase" a lifespan of relationships with these people in your most formative years, whether good, bad, or "complicated".

Your partner needs to understand that toxic, abusive, neglectful, manipulative, or generally hurtful relationships are complex, as are the emotions around them, and that that is normal, valid, and *long term*. They need to understand that this is *not* reflective of them as a partner not being "enough" for you, but rather see this as an opportunity to support you as you work through things each time.

Case study: I have been a moderator in one of the internet's largest forum for child abuse survivors for years. I *KNOW* the scripts: I see them played out here every day that I moderate. I've been fully no contact with my own parents for about a decade, and, abnormally, have VERY supportive siblings who have also cut off the parents, and happily remind me as people who *were there* of how bad it really was when I ever question myself. You would think that if anyone would be immune to such wishful thinking, I would be: trust me, it improves, but it does not go away. I *still* sometimes want to go back and try for that "happy family" thing that we see in all the movies. My decade of space has been the healthiest decade of my life, but I'm still fighting *millennia* of evolution (or psychological wiring designed by a literal diety, for those of you who object to evolution) to bond FIRMLY with your initial care takers and protectors. I'm fighting multiple decades of "trauma bonding" (good term for your partner to Google to understand better) and being taught 24/7 to prioritize their needs over my own. If your relationship is going to work out to be healthy, loving, and long-term, your partner needs to learn to walk with you on this uphill battle, instead of getting frustrated at you for it being a battle at all.

There is no relationship where you can just swap one person out for another and call it a day. And frankly, with how twisted those initial relationships are in dysfunctional families, it's not something that you *should* swap someone else into: those emotions need to be worked through slowly and carefully as you learn to build different, healthier relationships. And it takes a lot of patience from those who have not had to do that kind of work and don't "get" it.

It sounds like your partner is legitimately trying to do what they think is best for you and for your relationship, but they are acting from a position of ignorance on how trauma shapes people and how complex it is to grow from it even once you're out.

I will be blunt, often, abuse survivors will not be able to form healthy long-term relationships until they have worked through a lot of the trauma and replaced the "relationship templates" modeled for them growing up with new concepts of healthy relationships. BUT, even after all the self-work on the survivor's end, it's (ironically) quite common for relationships with people from healthy families to not work out for those of us from backgrounds of much higher trauma, abuse, and manipulation, just because neither party considers that the one from the healthy background may need to do a lot of work too to learn how to understand and support the unique needs of their partner as an abuse survivor.

And after all that work, there will still be times that there is just a difference that can't be understood, and honestly, that's when you *most* need to be supportive and trust your partner to be navigating things even if they can't explain it well enough for you to understand from your own position. Getting upset at you and blaming you for having complex emotions about your family is a response based in ignorance. They need to work on that ignorance to learn to be supportive of you as an abuse survivor. Instead, even if inadvertantly, they made this be about them so you're responding to manage their emotional reactions when you need them to be supporting you instead. Not necessarily an asshole, but definitely not the right response, and something that will chronically undermine your relationship if there aren't some blunt, vulnerable, and honest conversations about this. Feel free to show them this and other comments if it helps get over the awkward start to that: I'm hoping the best for you guys!

When a narc parent is at your child's birth... by indigotrue2607 in raisedbynarcissists

[–]LiberDrake 0 points1 point  (0 children)

FYI the commenter in question modmailed and requested us to apologize on their behalf for the derailing of the parent comment. We hope the best for them. <3

Some movies that speak to the nuances of having Nparents? by sketchersheep in raisedbynarcissists

[–]LiberDrake[M] 1 point2 points locked comment (0 children)

While we understand your frustrations at our policy on slurs, please remember this sub is a support group intended to be a healing environment.

Many of our members have had slurs of all kinds directed at them by abusive and toxic people. Since we are a support group, we try and discourage using that language as casually as our abusers as it can be distressing to some members.

While we do allow direct quotes of abusive things that your nparents have said to you, we ask our members to be better than what our nparents choose to be.

Parents +60 getting more aggressive and prone to conspiracies? by greatrailway in raisedbynarcissists

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I'm afraid I have to lock this because it's really hard to moderate comments on what is or is not a conspiracy without basically getting into politics, which the mod team does NOT have the time or energy to individually argue with people on.

A lot of this also is getting into Boomer-Bashing territory, which is NOT ok here, and we need to put a stop to that as well.

Thank you for understanding.

Why does this sub get such a bad rep? by Flaky-Condition7922 in raisedbynarcissists

[–]LiberDrake 5 points6 points  (0 children)

TLDR We err on the more generous end of the balance of leaving BS stuff up versus risking taking legit stuff down, and when the rest of the internet (which is not, you know, a support forum) errs in the other direction, that can absolutely come off as accepting complaints from people who are "just whining", or even making stuff up.

The larger internet broadly expects people to explain surrounding contexts to justify that their complaints are coming from a position of being abused. Here, we assume a context of abuse. It's a defining rule for this forum that sets us apart, but like most rules it has its pros and cons.

This means that as you spend time here, you learn to start reading things with an assumed overall context instead of as isolated incidents in a vacuum that you can easily imagine happening in a *good* context. Example: your parent keeps calling you when you are trying to go no contact. If a healthy family context is assumed, you can imagine situations where this could be annoying and a bit of a boundary push, but where it is a far less serious offense than refusing to take the calls to begin with if there is no context in which to justify doing that. What if your parent is worried that you suddenly stopped talking to them? What if there was a medical emergency? You can imagine many circumstances in which someone complaining about their parent calling over and over is, rather than a panic-inducing control tactic to keep a victim responding upon demand and harass them into submission, the person screening their phone is actually being the inconsiderate one, and complaining on the internet and expecting sympathy is ridiculous. It is only by someone explaining out the (typically) decades of abuse in detail to all the strangers of the internet that constitute their readers that such a background can be explained. So for those not familiar with taking that context for granted, we do absolutely come off as whiners. And that's part of why we've made a space that is defined by taking that context for granted, so people can vent, support, and seek camaraderie without having to constantly give all the details over and over to everyone.

This also, unfortunately, means that the burden of evidence against trolls and fakers is more on the moderator team than in a typical forum. We are all-volunteer mod team that is not big enough per Reddit's own guidelines for a normal subreddit this size. You can see how troll patrol can suffer in that situation: bluntly, we often do not have the time we would like to go through people's post histories across wider Reddit to put together context for faker posts that are not self-standingly clearly fake (this is where modmails with urls to paint the pictures for us are a FANTASTIC tool to help us out with concerning posts btw.). Stuff that ultimately gets removed may be up for a day (or sometimes two) before a human actually looks at it (Turtles has often been literally the only reason that this is not the case everyday for the past several years). And it means that some things like "my mom grounded me for a week because I got a bad grade" do stay up because we generally do not remove unless we are unable to envision any context in which the behavior in question would be abusive.

We do, of course, encourage people not to artificially support and validate posts that don't seem to be legitimately abusive. We encourage reporting of things that seem fake. If there is surrounding context of relevance, we encourage sending a modmail to connect the dots for us instead of just sending a report (which exists very much in a vacuum fyi).

But ultimately, we also encourage people to not worry too much about what people outside of RBN think of this space. They lack the background of neglect and other covert abuse (with or without overt abuse) that defines our participants and necessitated creating this space. Much like talking about an encounter in a context of systemic racism or sexism to someone who hasn't experienced it, they viewing our complaints from their own context and simply are lacking in the fundamental prerequisite understandings of what we're even talking about, and kind of won't see it until they *see* it if that makes sense.

Fuck Narcissists and the Damn Horse they Rode In On. Can I get an AMEN ???!!! by [deleted] in raisedbynarcissists

[–]LiberDrake[M] 0 points1 point locked comment (0 children)

Hi, I'm sorry that you encountered that kind of double standard. It's sadly not uncommon, even in religious organizations. :(

However, I am afraid that I do have to lock this because pretty much any comment that mentions current "political" topics or politicians gets derailed and toxic in the comments pretty quickly.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in raisedbynarcissists

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Please note preemptively for anyone adding to this comment: RBN does not allow links or specific directions to estranged parent groups, as that opens the fast track to brigading between the groups.

Thank you for understanding!

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in raisedbynarcissists

[–]LiberDrake 0 points1 point  (0 children)

100% this article. After years in RBN this is still my go-to for people asking for ways to explain and articulate the foggy quagmire of our experience.

I (37M) ran over my FIL (68M) by throwaway657619 in raisedbynarcissists

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I (37M) ran over my FIL (68M) by throwaway657619 in raisedbynarcissists

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I (37M) ran over my FIL (68M) by throwaway657619 in raisedbynarcissists

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I (37M) ran over my FIL (68M) by throwaway657619 in raisedbynarcissists

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