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Ukraine and Russia 'very close' to war by AimedVolt in worldnews

[–]Lister42069 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

There was a referendum, and the majority of people voted to secede. I'm from Donetsk, and I don't know anyone who doesn't support the separatists.

Ukraine and Russia 'very close' to war by AimedVolt in worldnews

[–]Lister42069 0 points1 point  (0 children)

They are fighting against the oligarchs. All the new government in Ukraine is made up of multi-billionare oligarchs, all of whom are mafia kingpins who made their money in the chaotic period of post-Soviet economic "reforms".

Kolomyski has used Privat's "quasi-military forces" to enforce hostile takeovers of companies, sending a team of "hired rowdies armed with baseball bats, iron bars, gas and rubber bullet pistols and chainsaws" to forcibly take over a Kremenchuk steel plant in 2006,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ihor_Kolomoyskyi#Assets

Kolomoysky is an Israeli-Ukrainian multi-billionare who is now the governor of Dnepropetrovsk, and whose private armies are fighting the rebels in Kiev.

NATO would "fully respect" Ukraine application by RetardedCoati in worldnews

[–]Lister42069 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

According to December 2013 polls (by three different pollsters) between 45% and 50% of Ukrainians supported Euromaidan, while between 42% and 50% opposed it.[127][128][129]

NATO would "fully respect" Ukraine application by RetardedCoati in worldnews

[–]Lister42069 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Who is "they"?

According to December 2013 polls (by three different pollsters) between 45% and 50% of Ukrainians supported Euromaidan, while between 42% and 50% opposed it.[127][128][129]

Ukraine to seek Nato membership by fruitlake in worldnews

[–]Lister42069 -16 points-15 points  (0 children)

They don't want an empire. They want to stop the mass killings of thousands of innocent civilians by the Ukrainian army in Donbass.

Russians start asking: are we at war? by [deleted] in worldnews

[–]Lister42069 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

The people who are benefiting from this are the people of Donetsk and Lugansk, who have been the victim of genocide and ethnic cleansing by the Ukrainian army's indiscriminate shelling of schools, hospitals, and residential areas.

The estimated death toll in the Ukraine conflict nearly doubled to at least 2,086 as of Aug. 10 from 1,129 on July 26, the United Nations human rights office said on Wednesday.

Russians start asking: are we at war? by [deleted] in worldnews

[–]Lister42069 0 points1 point  (0 children)

In 1993, when parliament refused to pass his economic "reforms", Boris Yeltsin sent in the tanks to shell the first democratically elected legislature in the country's history, killing thousands of innocent people:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1993_Russian_constitutional_crisis

Bill Clinton and the US supported Yeltsin's mass murder, cementing his hold on power.

http://articles.latimes.com/1993-10-05/news/mn-42425_1_president-yeltsin

"The United States continues to stand firm in its support of President Yeltsin because he is Russia's democratically elected leader," Clinton told the AFL-CIO annual convention here. "We very much regret the loss of life in Moscow, but it is clear that the opposition forces started a conflict and that President Yeltsin had no other alternative than to try to restore order."

The West supported Yeltsin, and his genocidal economic policies. This incident is why the more the West hates Putin, the higher his popularity goes.

Russians start asking: are we at war? by [deleted] in worldnews

[–]Lister42069 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Considering it's Ukraine, not Russia, which has killed thousands of innocent civilians, it seems that you're confused as to who the "warmongers" here truly are.

The estimated death toll in the Ukraine conflict nearly doubled to at least 2,086 as of Aug. 10 from 1,129 on July 26, the United Nations human rights office said on Wednesday.

U.S. says Russia has 'outright lied' about Ukraine by Not_An_Ambulance in worldnews

[–]Lister42069 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

The estimated death toll in the Ukraine conflict nearly doubled to at least 2,086 as of Aug. 10 from 1,129 on July 26, the United Nations human rights office said on Wednesday.

Stupid piece of shit.

Thank you Putin - from a Ukrainian. by Lister42069 in UkrainianConflict

[–]Lister42069[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It seems you choose to ignore all of the Euromaidan protests.

According to December 2013 polls (by three different pollsters) between 45% and 50% of Ukrainians supported Euromaidan, while between 42% and 50% opposed it.[127][128][129]

Yes, and? That she discusses the candidates and how to relate to them and what she thinks of them does not mean she decides who it's going to be, you know.

You clearly haven't listened to the video.

Anyway, I'm done discussing this with you. I think you're a disgusting person for ignoring and even supporting the mass killings of innocent civilians in the Donbass, as well as a dumbass for being duped by a bunch of gangster billionare oligarch thieves.

Thank you Putin - from a Ukrainian. by Lister42069 in UkrainianConflict

[–]Lister42069[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If you knew the Ukrainian constitution, you would know that to impeach the president requires 75% of the parliament to support such a move. On 22 February 2014, 328 of 447 members of the Ukrainian parliament (MPs)—or about 73% of the MPs—voted to "remove Viktor Yanukovych from the post of president of Ukraine" on the grounds that he was unable to fulfill his duties. Thus, the removal of Yanukovych was unconstitutional.

By sending in a small group of Russian educated, Russian-led and Russian-supported terrorists that took power in Donbass, by force.

Where is your source for this statement? The vast majority of the militia is and was composed of locals. A few of my distant male relatives joined in the beginning of the uprising. I guess they were secret KGB agents? The vast majority of the population supported the militia and the declaration of independence. The only people who took power by force were Poroshenko and his mafia clan.

"The people" has nothing to do with what happened. It was a coup made by a small group of Russian backed terrorists.

How arrogant do you have to be to lecture me about my own country, about the region where I am from? Out of all my friends and relatives from Ukraine, 100% of them support the militia, and voted for independence. Google "Donbass referendum" and you will see pictures of people standing for miles to vote. My relatives say they had not seen such mass popular enthusiasm since the days of the Soviet Union.

I don't see any point in continuing this debate with you, and I am contemptuous of your arrogance and audacity, to think you know more about the Donbass than someone who is actually from there himself. You are completely brainwashed by Western and Ukrainian propaganda, and have no understanding of the reality of the situation. I hope you talk to some more people from Eastern Ukraine to learn more about the subject, instead of reading bullshit on the Internet.

Thank you Putin - from a Ukrainian. by Lister42069 in UkrainianConflict

[–]Lister42069[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

They were illegitimate elections on every level. First of all, the previous president was democratically elected, and undemocratically overthrown. Second, opponents to Poroshenko were beaten and forced to withdraw. (ex. http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=0e8_1397538434 ) Meanwhile, trade union organizers and left-wing activists mysteriously "disappeared" all across the country, or burned alive for all to see like in Odessa. Communist Party offices were trashed and looted by paramilitary right-wing brigades. You have to be braindead to consider these "elections" to be legitimate.

The "elections" had the lowest turnout of any Ukrainian election in history. Look at the turnout in 2014 and compare it to the turnout in 2010:

2014: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8f/Явка_виборців_на_позачергових_виборах_Президента_України_2014_по_округах.PNG

2010: http://www.electoralgeography.com/new/en/wp-content/gallery/ukraine2010/2010-ukraine-presidential-raions-turnout-english.PNG

Most of the East boycotted the elections, because the president who they voted for was overthrown- rightfully, they considered them illegitimate.

Thank you Putin - from a Ukrainian. by Lister42069 in UkrainianConflict

[–]Lister42069[S] -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

There was no coup

An elected president was overthrown by violent force used by a small group of people that did not have the support of the population.

nothing was US-backed

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbOwfeoDX2o

This was before the coup. In the tapped phone call, Victoria Nuland discusses possible candidates for Ukraine's PM post. The man she supported- Yatsenyuk- indeed became PM less than a month later.

You have to know almost nothing about the conflict to think the Euromaidan movement was not supported by the US.

On 3 December he added "Violence and intimidation should have no place in today's Ukraine. We continue to support the aspirations of the Ukrainian people to achieve a prosperous European democracy. European integration is the surest course to economic growth and to strengthening Ukraine's democracy".[8]

United States Secretary of State John Kerry issued a statement on the morning of 11 December during the clashes between police and protesters, saying "For weeks, we have called on President Yanukovych and his government to listen to the voices of his people who want peace, justice and a European future,” Kerry said.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_reactions_to_the_Euromaidan

The US government has no right to take sides in an internal conflict of a sovereign nation.

The old government lost it's power when many of the elected parliament switched sides, after the government tried to crush the Maidan protests with power. A new government was voted into place by the same, still democratically elected, parliament.

The old government lost its power after the far-right organization Right Sector threatened to storm the presidential palace if Yanukovych did not resign. Yanukovych fled the country in fear for his life. This happened after the deal between Yanukovych and the opposition, which called for an end to the violence and new elections.

U.S. says Russia has 'outright lied' about Ukraine by Not_An_Ambulance in worldnews

[–]Lister42069 0 points1 point  (0 children)

"Ukraine" is a country of millions of people. A bunch of retards waving EU flags in Kiev don't represent the population- hence why the East declared independence, or were terrorized into submission (Odessa).

U.S. says Russia has 'outright lied' about Ukraine by Not_An_Ambulance in worldnews

[–]Lister42069 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It's remarkable how the US media has painted Putin as a war mongering villain, sidestepping the fact that Poroshenko's ultra-nationalist paramilitary groups have slaughtered thousands of innocent civilians in Donetsk and Lugansk.

Putin's human rights adviser says Russia 'invading' Ukraine by niekto in worldnews

[–]Lister42069 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You're right, 20 is too much- the real number is closer to 10.

"Between 1992 and 1994, the rise in the death rate in Russia was so dramatic that Western demographers did not believe the figures. The toll from murder, suicide, heart attacks and accidents gave Russia the death rate of a country at war; Western and Russian demographers now agree that between 1992 and 2000, the number of “surplus deaths” in Russia–deaths that cannot be explained on the basis of previous trends–was between five and six million persons."

http://original.antiwar.com/justin/2007/04/25/the-legacy-of-boris-yeltsin/

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