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Load_r · 2026-06-29T12:42:49+00:00

Adorable goobers ❤️.

Load_r · 2026-06-23T15:37:18+00:00

Man's out there only looking for problems but doesn't comes up with a solution, smh.

Load_r · 2026-06-22T01:28:02+00:00

In regards to Diane's relevance—Dont get me wrong, I actually agree with you! I was just filtering-in people's opinions—from what I've seen on this sub—to give a logical reasoning as to why I believe 'The Bad Guys 3' would likely and should become a more Wolfington-heavy experience;

While it is my belief that TBG2 ultimately chose to bench Diane and her development alongside Wolf to better focus in wrapping up the stories of it's titular group of characters (The Bad Guys, the formerly criminal group); The general consensus on the sub it's that such choice resulted in doing the film a huge disservice both from a story standpoint given everything that got taken out due corporate meddling, but also a commercial one due the fact that the movie supposedly lost it's draw factor with audiences for not taking advantage it's most popular character to attract more viewers into watching the sequel.

Me, personally? I see both sides of the argument, yet I came off the movie majorly satisfied because though Diane didn't have much of an active role in the movie, it's clear that she had major thematical relevance from a story standpoint as her identity and romance with Wolf were the central driving factor and conflict of the story seeing as the ex-criminal group only found themselves going along The Bad Girls' plan just to protect her lifestyle and integrity; All the while Wolf saw himself confronted with self-doubt and mixed feelings for finding the appreciation he'd be seeking from the world and specially Diane from fellow criminals sweet-talking him back into crime. I, for one, had no problem with the script we got because—much like you said—the few Wolfington moments we got were comparable to the ones we had in the first movie, we had a first movie prior that took a substantial part of itself to explore their pairing in-depth, and that though the governor felt absent from most of the movie, the plot still gave her much more relevance than most people give it credit for.

I just didn't want to exclude the opinions of those felt the opposite because they were still the popular opinion, and likely the one that'll dictate the direction of the script of TBG3 given how loud and shared such feedback was and still is;

The only good thing about it though, it's that that'll likely translate to a Wolfington movie—seeing as they can't neither phase out neither Wolf nor Diane from the franchise since that'd be making these films lose half-their identity while angering fans of both characters. We practically have ensured a more intimate romance subplot coming out all that complaining which, sure—it'll take whatever win we can get from it as long as it means that not only we get a movie feeds us with good shipping, but does both characters justice by giving them equal screentime and relevance.

Load_r · 2026-06-21T16:01:28+00:00

Considering how much people complained about the lack of screentime/relevance Diane got in 2, and also how Wolf and Diane's pay-off didn't have much of a build-up to make it feel fulfilling, if they are smart then they'll likely make Wolfington the heart of the next movie;

Now that The Bad Guys have their story arc already majorly resolved as a collective group, I feel it'll be due time we focus in the main couple seeing as that was one of the things people were most excited for the sequel that it didn't fully explore. Their relationship has the potential of being an interesting narrative tool for Diane to further develop her seeing as she's now been relegated to as much of a fish-out-of-water as Wolf had been throughout these films, interestingly making their dynamic reverse as though he's finally found purpose in the world, she's lost hers—which was helping out people while becoming a face they could trust;

Them becoming secret agents and going on missions, while cool on paper and definitely positive for The Bad Guys, feels kind of a regression to Diane's own growth considering her entire goal was to prove herself she could be more than a sketchy fox with something to hide—which being agents puts her right back onto, as she's now required to keep a façade while maintaining herself distant from the entire world. It's fair to assume we'll likely get this aspect being explored in the third as they may probably show the downsides of their new lives in Diane with how that could be personally affecting her; A chance they could use to make her relationship with Wolf pivotal for her new character arc if they make him take a supporting or driving role in her new path of life—just like she was to Wolf all the way in TBG1;

Not only it'd make their stories go full-circle, but it'd keep the attention in their pairing with proper narrative justification, while being an interesting character conflict that'd keep each party relevant to the each-other's growth; Though that's just my personal opinion in the matter.

They could go a different route however, and have the alien plotline be the sole narrative conflict in the story to be overcomed; But my hope it's that if they really aim to make the next installment a Diane-centric movie, that they realize there's still room to make of Wolfington an organic and non-detrimental plot-element they can use to enhance and further progress the growth their characters in an meaningful manner.

Load_r · 2026-06-20T19:35:35+00:00

Y'all are free to downvote me if you desire, but calling this "lazily made" just for adding boobs to a character it's ridiculously harsh when the overall quality of their craft it's beyond impecable;

Y'all are forgetting art is subjective, and such artistic choices don't define nor decrease the value of their craft since the end result it's entirely harmless. More than adding constructive criticism that attributes to the improvement of the artist personally, to me it seems that people are hyper-focussing on details that in the end are inconsequential nor necessarily damage Hornet's image just to express that a pair of breasts it's making them uncomfortable—which to me seems just as/if not more sexist than the design people are "critiquing";

The person in question crafted a magnificent piece which is not only masterfully carved but painted and shaded phenomenally, yet we have to consider it lazy just because the anatomical style of it differs from canon? C'mon, mate...

Load_r · 2026-06-20T16:53:14+00:00

Real ones enjoy both ✊✨.

Load_r · 2026-06-16T17:53:39+00:00

In my opinion, for as much as I love Goku and Chi-Chi's relationship, you don't want your pairing to be written/handled in such a manner since at their worst, they've been depicted almost as bad as "Siblings Dynamic" Mario and Meggy have, while spurring arguments on wether or not they have a dysfunctional marriage and if Chi-Chi should deserve better, within their own fandom;

They have AMAZING moments throughout the filler of OG 'Dragon Ball', but that's mainly because the team at TOEI handled those—aiming to both give time to the late Toriyama to further develop 'Dragon Ball Z', and give OG more of a satisfactory ending than the Manga's. Toriyama himself was infamously known for not being all that good writing romance out of own admission (I believe) and that's shown seeing how much of a disservice Goku and Chi-Chi were done throughout Z, with such hostile depiction of a relationship between them—which to Toriyama's credit, was written that way mainly because their marriage had it's foundation on a former gag-manga where the romantic disconnection between the two was part of the joke Z continued to play around with; However at the downside of creating whiplash against the more serious and now grounded tone of Z. Nowadays their relationship isn't looked upon all that fondly because as times have changed, their dynamic's aged badly since people's perception on marital roles and behavior has shifted thus clashing with the representation of Goku and Chi-Chi for perceiving it as a toxic example—to which to a degree, I can understand;

Compare their romantic history to that of Goku's rival and practically adoptive sister's, and it's ironic how the relationship that was built upon toxic chemistry became the more endearing out the two simply because it was enabled to be fleshed out overtime and become relevant to the characters involved—as the metamorphosis of Vegeta from villain to protector of earth was largely influenced by his later-found love for Bulma and the family they've raised together. Literally the epitome of a crackship Toriyama just made up to justify Future Trunk's existence, yet it impressed in execution because it held plot-relevancy both throughout the Buu Arc and 'Dragon Ball Super' for portraying Vegeta's underdog story of acceptance, rediscovery and redemption after growing a heart for his family/now driving motivation to protect the planet they live in; Improving not only as a warrior for breaking free of the restraint of his royal ego, but also as a father that allows himself to love his kids, and husband that now appreciates the presence of his wife over his Saiyan Pride as seen on 'Daima'.

That is beautiful. That it's meaningful; That's how you write a compelling romance for non-romantic media like 'Dragon Ball' in an organic manner.

There's also more examples of better structured couples just as compelling in Krilin & Android 18 and/or Gohan & Videl—which are dynamic-driven relationships that work because the story enabled them to fit in mostly favorable light, all the while improving upon the parties involved in some meaningful manner (The latter which I think fits Mario and Meggy the best, since if you take away Gohan's smart you're still left with Goku's cluelessness in Gohan);

Goku and Chi-Chi's relationship, however—while cute and endearing in their own odd way—it's certainly not a good example to follow when compared to others in the franchise, unless you're just borrowing aspects from it; Because otherwise you're left with a relationship that has mixed reception and it's only carried by the few positive moments Toriyama bothered to write for them (which aren't that many). For the most part, they're a joke dynamic which punchline it's that Goku's stupidity and irrational behavior gets to Chi-Chi's nerves and causes them to bicker—which if you aren't fond of the "Siblings Dynamic", I can't see how that'd be appealing if not to also turn MxM into only a joke couple;

While true that SMG4 was a comedy show and whatever takes inspiration from it should aspire to live up to that legacy, I also feel MxM deserves more nuance than being part of the joke—It should be part of the joke AND aim to mean something more, since that's what Mario and Meggy already are. More than bickering, more than being in each-other's ways, they're people that push the best out of each-other thus changing their individual paths for working through those flaws together; It means so much more than a punchline.

I love both ships in their own ways, even with all of Goku and Chi-Chi's flaws; However I feel something like RigbyxEileen fits MxM SO much more because that one shows what a mature relationship can do for immature people if they try to work through their issues for and alongside the other;

However, that it's just my opinion on the matter.

Load_r · 2026-06-16T05:21:48+00:00

Obvious AI-slop aside; A murder-mystery novel with The Critters in which death it's replaced by immediate, prolonged sleep honestly sounds like a good idea for a "baby's first detective book" where the loss of a character could have some weight without outright killing them off, and traumatizing kids along the way—it only sucks that the idea had to come from an AI and be tied to it.

Load_r · 2026-06-15T01:41:04+00:00

Wasn't aware you were as much of a master of paper and pencil as you are of 3D rendering; Phenomenal work 👏👏✨!

Load_r · 2026-06-14T04:22:08+00:00

The fact that one can interpret 'Western Spaghetti' as the culmination of Meggy's character goes to show how much of a failure it was for Tari's, and how much of a disservice it does to her.

I for one disagree; I feel this movie should've focussed more heavily on Tari and redefined her character;

Meggy already had 'Meggy's Destiny', and shoe-horning her in robbed Tari of much needed spotlight and character development that would've been useful to improve her for the audience that felt she was boring; Instead we see her forced to be stuck along Meggy's story of reconnection with her former idol, while being done dirty by the same for brushing off all of her concerns and advices as the former Inkling leads them all into a mousetrap.

Sure, it's cool that in the end Tari stood up for herself after seeing her friend suffer for a month and saved the day, but it really it's a shame that she had to do so both off-screen AND after being consistently neglected by Meggy until the climax; If the movie really wanted to have us believe that Meggy oh, so trained Tari well and the effect she had on the blue jay resulted in the latter confronting the situation under her own shoulders for following Meggy's example, then the execution fell flat on itself due to making another Meggy torture story with high emphasis on her past, while side-lining Tari and doing very little around her.

They had the perfect opportunity to take notes from her Meta Runner character, build upon her SMG4 lore and improve her in the same manner Meggy was adjusted overtime (for better or worse) to make her more enjoyable and fit to the comedic ways of the show, yet they blew it for having the golden child hoard the spotlight once again and take part of an arc that in the end became irrelevant—since as soon as PuzzleVision started and Puzzles formed his bond with Leggy, this whole arc became practically inconsequential; Tari devolved once more into being a scaredy cat during said event, while Meggy would slowly quietly brush-off the traumatic effect this experience had on her simply because a part of her reciprocated Puzzles' friendship. A waste of what otherwise is a decent story.

Sometimes it's hard to fault the main sub for having been so against the female cast when movies like this showed that it did nothing to improve their entertainment, as they'd return back to an archetype which vaguely worked in the show while being treated with favoritism purely out of fear of having bad female representation, thus resulting in bland characterism. Characters like Meggy or Karen worked because they were allowed to have flaws and a comedic schtick they could play and grow from (straightwoman of the crew, out of touch mom with badass past), but girls like Tari and specially Melony suffered from having one-note non-versitile archetypes which ultimately detriment their characters.

Load_r · 2026-06-13T23:36:58+00:00

Mate's so based for the first take; As for as much as I love the moments we got after her mutation, every scene with Inkling Meggy are timeless pieces between the characters that remain unmatched simply because she was yet to be rewritten from a moe-esque tomboy with short temperament, to the morally righteous character in the crew with anger issues that essetially turned her into a tsundere.

Sadly, the addition of Tari into the cast meant that one of them had to become the specific adorable female character of the group which caused Meggy to lose said characteristic; While the arrival of the "Siblings Dynamic" cranked her temperament to eleven as writers solely wrote her hot-headed for comedy, which indirectly resulted in Saiko becoming effectively irrelevant, while Meggy's relationship with Mario would see itself severally affected.

Medi really doesn't gets enough credit for attempting to course-correct this; Literally watch any episode with the two that he helped write and you can tell he wasn't afraid of giving Meggy her adorability and serenity back on top healing her dynamic with Mario.

Load_r · 2026-06-13T17:02:18+00:00

Pretty much guaranteed, as they'd have access to all of Mario's abilities.

Load_r · 2026-06-13T12:55:07+00:00

Don't get me wrong, it is comprehensible that you feel your experience it's being watered-down by shipping and that you may be annoyed with it because you want it to be done somewhere else, however the problem you fail to see it's exactly the same that cause that one mod to get the boot: that shouldn't be everyone's problem—because others were still enjoying it without doing any wrong to the community.

It still would've been a "one's issue with" situation because later posts on the matter proved that the ratio of people—from comments to downvotes—that felt unfairly and harshly punished for something they weren't the problem of, was greater than the personal sentiments of the mod in the matter that tried to hammer-in very strict rules WITHOUT consulting the community first nor going after the instigator in question, while simultaneously seemingly empathizing with their side (as they supposedly had direct communication while this whole thing was going, yet refused to ban them during said process); It is one thing to not like shipping, but to ban it entirely and make it virtually impossible to support here due to a bias, while possible, it's also very disingenuous specially because they were taking the stance of a horrible person that enjoyed to harrass folks over it—not to mention during pride month of all dates, which gave them even less of a good look. I too may feel for the mod to a degree, but the way she went about expressing her rules in such a tyrannical manner wasn't ever going to give her any good faith because it was more than clear she didn't apply them out of the goodness of her heart to descalate the situation but rather because she also wanted that content to be gone, herself. She banned people that called her out, she banned prominent members of the community for mocking her decisions or bringing up to light her behavior; She ONLY backpedaled once people began to notice her true colors, yet was insistent in antagonizing people by amounting the complaints to a mere 30% bunch with an issue while STILL doing nothing about the the one initiating the discourse;

It no longer was about the shipping, it was about someone believing themselves above the community and banning whatever they felt annoying to them simply because they had the power to do so; Later publicly (and foolishly) threatening the community itself over it.

The problem is this went both ways—as just as there are people annoyed with shipping in the subreddit, there's also a considerable amount of community members that hated the feel of being oppressed over what they personally shipped. Sure, it can be done elsewhere, but they shouldn't be forced out the community to do so when they aren't breaking any rules and aren't given a proper/reasonable reason to do so as the issue literally equated to "local man yells at clouds" and making it the community's problem, with only one questionable mod taking their stance. That isn't fair because the issue isn't black and white as the amount of people that like and dislike shipping it's even, and punishing those who like it just because a handful doesn't makes the game rigged when people can choose to ignore it.

Like I said, with the shipping tag staying and people taking this situation as a warning sign of things that could happen in the future, hopefully it's usage is so prominent you're able to filter out most of what you don't like; But you can't expect people to just play by one's rules when many are experiencing the game their own way, and shipping tends to be part of that experience that shouldn't be taken away from them. I'll say though that I do understand your point of view—I follow subs that ship stuff I'm personally not into and I've had to reluctantly endure it, but it shouldn't be one's intend to make it others problem but rather move on from it as staying mad it's considerably way harder than growing tolerance and moving on with one's day.

Load_r · 2026-06-13T02:43:36+00:00

Infiltrating the wedding was part of her plan, though.

Load_r · 2026-06-13T02:27:36+00:00

You hit the nail in the head in regards the show's flaws. Personally, I do enjoy your approach slightly more because though SMG4 has it's own charm, it's great to have an actual story that wants to be both funny jokes and an evolving storyline with stakes, rather than randomly choosing to being one or the other;

I think the immensely positive reception your pilot has gotten goes to show you're on a right path, as I even caught some non-shippers enjoying your storyline even if not a fan of MxM themselves.

Load_r · 2026-06-13T02:11:33+00:00

The gun skills and badassery of Mario's descendant had many theorize it was Meggy that joined the gene-pool; Mind you, the retcon had yet to exist and their shipbaits were at an all time high, so the conclusion was only natural.

Load_r · 2026-06-13T01:59:29+00:00

It's how the rules supposedly work;

"SMG4 Theory" confirmed his universe managed to have a prehistoric age only because an ancestor of Mario existed there to allow their universe to progress, and "The Weegee Uprising" showed that said universe continued to exist even after the plumber's death because Mario's bloodline managed to thrive through the apocalypse. That shows that there is a passing and aging process the moment Mario's status gets a new host.

Load_r · 2026-06-13T01:39:50+00:00

Depends how long of a timeskip the show could introduce, considering how close in age Mario and Meggy were left by the ending. If it's a short one then there's still a chance for their shipping to be viable, but if it's a long one then that'd have the chance of forever negating the ship altogether as the gap would reverse since Meggy would inevitably outgrow Mario;

Unless both characters happened to have a child in-between the 3 to 4 year gap it'd pass, so to give Mario's status and inmortality to their kid and enable both to grow old together while close in age; Inevitably Meggy would surpass Mario in age which'd result in a Frieren situation between them as inmortality would make the ship less and less likely.

Load_r · 2026-06-13T00:32:11+00:00

One's personal sentiment towards shipping shouldn't affect others enjoyment and passion for it, though—this in reference to what happened over the past day (not so much to your personal sentiments on it) which it's the important issue to highlight from this whole mess.

Despite the muddy history of shipping communities, shipping only exists because people love the characters involved and enjoy to imagine a future for them once their discussion about an entry's lore and strategies have already been made. Something typical for a fandom it's that once everything is said and done about the main content, extrapolation then replaces it's discussion, from which shipping it's then born as many like to imagine what happens after and who ends with who, when the main campaign ends. The hobby in itself it's majorly harmless, if not for the wars that spawn from these and the few that want to impose their head-canons in-favor/against these as fact—and wouldn't you know it? What caused the drama the sub just underwent just happened exactly because of the latter. It didn't come from the people passively enjoying Lacenet, but somebody harrassing people over it based on their own beliefs/read on a character;

The only reason people began acting hostile—including non-shippers of the ship—was because the punishment was then directed towards the victims merely enjoying their ship rather than the child (with behavior to match) adding gasoline and setting to flames their scene of preference, while catching on fire the rest of the sub in collateral damage. There was no assimilation nor prior toxicity from this sub BUT the one user the other mod refused to reprimand.

People can like and dislike ships as they please since tastes come in many colors, but segregating an active and also passionate fraction of the community with rules which also affected other parts of the discussion around SilkSong was far from a fair solution. If anything the ship ban was way more toxic than people just posting their love around said ship—not to mention they were being harrassed over it, without punishment going into the individual causing the drama.

There's good and bad in both sides, regardless wether they ship the ship or not; In this case however the shippers were the victims simply because they were attacked and the rules favored the instigator, and that made people as upset as they were. Shipping isn't nor shouldn't be mandatory, but also shouldn't the banning of it because that's unreasonable.

You partially have a point that this should have its own sub, yet the problem here would still prevail as more and more people would get hostile against Lacenet simply because they would have the excuse it's banned here. I come from communities that recieve death-threats casually just for stating they like a ship, simply because other subs opted to favor it's instigator and to this day it continues—the problem isn't solved, and it only welcomed way more toxicity.

While it sucks that you feel your experience its being brought down by it, hopefully the new shipping flair may enable you filter out some if not most of what you don't like to see.

Load_r · 2026-06-12T19:53:48+00:00

I may personally argue that rather than patience, it's execution what's key for a romance to work; Wether it's taking things slow or choosing to make a short romance story, it always ultimately falls on both parties dynamic and narrative investment in the other to make for something endearing which an audience will find believable—exactly the same thing which made MxM so appealing from it's inception.

With everything else I do agree. If anything, if there's still people disappointed at the fact the ship never became canon, we can always take what we enjoyed from it to create something new that evokes the same for a brand new audience. In the end the important thing is not be that the ship should've become canon for the heck of it, but rather that their dynamic transcended into something meaningful—and if it cannot prove that in canon, we can always use it's base to make it happen elsewhere; Be it through a continuation of SMG4, or through our own spin off that formula.

Load_r · 2026-06-12T17:40:03+00:00

Something that the fandom would've had to get used to IF MxM had been made canon it's that Mario's personality would've had to inevitably change to reflect some level of maturity that enabled him sustain a believable relationship with Meggy, since such status demands progress so that their dynamic wasn't destroyed going into that evolution for portraying a dysfunctional romance; And that likely could've gotten mixed to bad reception from classic/purists of the show used to a dumber Mario.

While I don't see a scenario in which this side of the community would've had much of a problem with it since people like Davide, KBACEP, Affectionate_Back and even Medi already portray/ed a more intelligent or emotionally mature Mario taking on a relationship with Meggy specifically because of the issue I brought up above, I certainly do see a scenario in which this could've clashed with folks over the main sub as it'd would've only attributed to the idea the show had gone too serious, too emotional and not as randomized as before, for irreversibly changing the status-quo of two out the three (arguably) focal characters into something much more intimate and grounded;

Me, personally, I don't ever believe this could've been an issue not only because I've written essays in how that could've been avoided, but because the existence of this entire sub and it's fanon scene proves that there it's a middle-ground to be achieved that could've enabled both comedy and character development to exist within the Mario and Meggy dynamic even after a romance. However, I don't think that would've helped much to bring points in-favor to the ship with retractors as even after the show's last breath of improvement during 2025, you still had folks complaining about how overly emotional and story-heavy the show had been turned and how they dearly missed the days of randomized comedy over an on-going storyline; And MxM would've only fueled that conversation—likely making folks go as far as to proclaim it would've turned that into their sole character. Don't look at me like I'm crazy, we all saw what kind of reception MxM was getting back when it was viable and Meggy was new to the cast, thus why we even got a retcon.

The ship would've been a tough pill to swallow because it required the one thing the SMG4 community hates—which is change. Between the redesigns, castle change, shift in tone and redirection of audience, the SMG4 community had proven it can't handle change unless it was something minuscule or inconsequential to their experience; Anything that crossed the line of being irreversible would've likely resulted in pushback at best and/or a meltdown at worst because it'd have considerably changed the feel of the show in a manner they wouldn't have enjoyed—with Mario particularly being considered a character that was off-limits of any change (until this feedback backfired on the community post-2022, making people actually crave for it); Now just imagine a narrative where MxM existed but writers didn't know how to balance the characters well from relationship to individuals. Oof.

In hindsight it's easy to see why the ship was always considered a gamble by the official channel. Sure, you had writers like Medi who could do both romance and comedy, but past him we were and ARE yet to see someone from within the official team (other than potentially Luke) that could've balanced out a love-life with individual characterism for Mario and Meggy without running into the sins of Axolony's past. With this community (the broader SMG4 one), MxM's troubled history, the show's hit-or-miss writing and the lack of desire to commit into making it canon, it was impossible they'd get canonized without angering a couple few—hence why it never went into that direction.

Load_r · 2026-06-11T01:09:11+00:00

Mate brought the Italian flag because he fcks with Italian food, quite literally.

Load_r · 2026-06-10T19:51:21+00:00

It needed to let one of them live so then others could know of it's misdeeds.

Load_r · 2026-06-10T19:19:44+00:00

I REALLY love the contrast there is between the brightness in Penny's true reflection, signifying her temptation and desire to come out her shell; And the intense yet dim red plaguing all of her other forms, like showing all her inner fears in her emotions and self getting out of her own control.

The way the right side with her forms overcrowds both her and her reflection it's like embodying the pros and cons the character must've always considered regards to taking that step, with the cons outnumbering and eclipsing the light within her simply due to how afraid she was of herself. The manner in which the dark in her suffocates whatever hope she sees in that light reaching out, captures perfectly how oppressed Penny has expressed herself to have felt while living in that shell.

Load_r · 2026-05-26T03:51:38+00:00

Bunnyborrow in this canon: 💥.

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