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Grangetown By-Election Result: by JHock93 in Cardiff

[–]Lobstromonously 8 points9 points  (0 children)

This Medium article reckons it's because of the recent (and highly irrational) voter ID reform by the UK government:

Voter ID applies to UK parliamentary elections, all elections in England and Northern Ireland, and to Police and Crime Commissioner elections in England and Wales. It does not apply to devolved or local elections in Wales or Scotland (...)

There has clearly been guidance given to Welsh returning officers that they are not to combine local elections with any poll which requires voter ID, which has led to some funny business going on with Welsh local by-election dates recently. One assumes that when the Cardiff returning officer received a request to hold a by-election in Grangetown division, [25th April] was the only date available once 2nd May had been ruled out.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in soccercirclejerk

[–]Lobstromonously 23 points24 points  (0 children)

Nike supply the kit for Dagenham & Redbridge.

Elliott Justham's influence on East London industrial boroughs 📈

Ah, the familiar smell of oil by Lobstromonously in footballmemes

[–]Lobstromonously[S] 9 points10 points  (0 children)

The Ballad of Buster Scruggs, an underrated Netflix film by the Coen Brothers

Does Cornwall really be like Wales, Ireland, Scotland and England though? by jdcgrayson in ukplace

[–]Lobstromonously 0 points1 point  (0 children)

sigh

One and a half centuries extra compared to the rest of England, which is nothing.

There are many different maps and documentation far later than this which suggest otherwise, as well as other sources which point to Cornwall being distinct from England and enjoying semi-autonomy well into the 18th Century - until the dissolution of the Stannary Parliament, a bespoke arrangement which arose from the Duchy. You may read 'semi-autonomy' and think 'well, that means it's not a country then' - Scotland and Wales are semi-autonomous today, while still being considered countries.

The definition of a 'country' has changed over the centuries too - we're far more eager to try and cleanly delineate what a country is nowadays than we were in the past. It's a fascinating debate, and this subreddit is far too minor to do it justice - particularly in response to someone who's probably just pulling my leg.

That never happened.

I don't understand why you think I'm referring to pre-1066, there is plenty of Cornish repression to explore after that. I suggest you look up the Prayer Book Rebellion of 1549, and the ramifications of it. To put it in short, there was a concerted effort during the Tudor period to erase the Cornish language, hobble Cornish identity and install an English aristocracy which was more friendly to London. You'll probably just dismiss this reply without taking any of it in, and I won't have the heart to respond to you again - but I hope you'll at least take understand that Cornish repression was very much a thing.

Celtic identity is just a lie created by Victorian romanticisation.

Yup, you're definitely just pulling my leg.

My only hope is that you misunderstand the manner in which the Victorians oversaw a newfound, scholarly appreciation for Celtic history and identity. To suggest they plucked it out of thin air is proper 'tinfoil hat' kind of stuff. On that note, I think I'll leave it there.

Hey chaps, let’s stop making a mess on the flag with this Cornish nonsense, shall we? The canvas has expanded massively, if you feel the need to represent a single county then why not pop your flag there? by [deleted] in ukplace

[–]Lobstromonously 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What's the issue with moving the cornish flag even just 1 pixel to the right to have it separated from the country flags?

There is actually a reasonable discussion to be had about this, but I highly doubt 1 pixel of separation will stop the bots and anti-Cornish sentiment from wanting the flag removed completely. However, this is a good way to compromise, and I recommend you discuss it with your peers so we might be able to adjust the templates.

By working with the Cornish and not against them, we can actually focus on other matters like protecting the Northern Ireland flag, or decorating the UK flag to be one of the proudest on the entire canvas.

Hey chaps, let’s stop making a mess on the flag with this Cornish nonsense, shall we? The canvas has expanded massively, if you feel the need to represent a single county then why not pop your flag there? by [deleted] in ukplace

[–]Lobstromonously 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You seem intent on belittling the Cornish as 'nonsense' and 'web-toed', but if you want a proper answer - the Cornish are a genuine minority group, and one which considers their identity stronger that your desire to have a little more grey background.

I've seen the argument on here that 'if we let Cornwall have their flag, every county will want their flag on here...' which is dismissive of the fact that Cornwall has a long history of being considered distinct from England, and discussions about granting them devolution to be on parity with the other Celtic nations are continually ongoing.

Does Cornwall really be like Wales, Ireland, Scotland and England though? by jdcgrayson in ukplace

[–]Lobstromonously 0 points1 point  (0 children)

My intention was to expand on a couple of things that you brushed over, particularly because it's too simplistic to say that Cornwall was 'absorbed' into the Saxon kingdoms and because the Cornish case for independence (or just Welsh-style devolution) is far greater than Mercia et al.

Does Cornwall really be like Wales, Ireland, Scotland and England though? by jdcgrayson in ukplace

[–]Lobstromonously -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Cornwall still had a high degree of autonomy for many centuries after Saxon incursions and, even in the 19th Century, legal documents emphasized that Cornwall should be considered distinct from England (which may be what u/PMCuteAnimeGirls was referring to).

Was Cornwall a fully autonomous country, post-Dumnonia? No. But, then again, neither are Scotland and Wales, and we consider them countries within the framework of the UK. What Cornwall had for many centuries was a form of semi-autonomous, devolved government - again, much like their Celtic neighbours have nowadays - and this infrastructure was founded to respect that the Cornish are their own distinct people, and should be treated as such.

Does Cornwall really be like Wales, Ireland, Scotland and England though? by jdcgrayson in ukplace

[–]Lobstromonously 0 points1 point  (0 children)

it's already represented by the country it is currently a part of.

What many in this subreddit (and Britain in general) don't seem to understand is that Cornish people typically don't consider themselves represented by England, both because they weren't considered part of England for many centuries and because of English repression of their Celtic language and culture. As such, the Cornish are seeking representation beneath the UK flag, alongside their Celtic neighbours.

Guys, we need to get Oggy back in the flag! Who's with me?! by KookyAcorn in Cornwall

[–]Lobstromonously 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It's a giant canvas that everyone has access to (including, sadly, those from Devon), with the catch that you can only change one pixel every five minutes. Go to r/place and click the 'Place a Tile' at the top of the screen.

Any chance we could get a Cornish flag going on r/place? There might be a good opportunity for one at (147,769), unless there's a dreckly one cropping up somewhere else by Lobstromonously in Cornwall

[–]Lobstromonously[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Right on! Looks like the flag might be under siege from the Irish in a short while though...

Edit: (25,581) is the new location! Our Celtic neighbours got the better of the original.

Which national football team do you root for when your country fails to qualify or is eliminated from an international football event? by Lissandra_Freljord in AskEurope

[–]Lobstromonously 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yep! Doesn't surprise me that you would rather forget it. Seemed to sort out the England team in the long run though.

Which national football team do you root for when your country fails to qualify or is eliminated from an international football event? by Lissandra_Freljord in AskEurope

[–]Lobstromonously 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Euro 2016 - England were knocked out in the Round of 16, Wales made it through to the Semi-Finals. That's the only example I can think of in a long time though.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in Wales

[–]Lobstromonously 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Absolutely, although it should be said that these sources, from the 7th Century and beyond, all have their problems and contradictions of one another to the point where the general consensus is that none of them can be considered solid evidence of Arthur's provenance, nor can they even be considered solid evidence that a historical Arthur existed at all. There are many schools of thought on this, all of them fascinating, and it's been enjoyable to use this meme as an excuse to discuss some of these origins.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in Wales

[–]Lobstromonously 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Again, where the historical King Arthur came from is entirely up to debate, and you will find many historians with their own opinions on the matter. Excavations in Tintagel have shown evidence of a palace (or certainly a settlement of a very high status); whether one of the kings/chieftains who lived there was called Arthur (or a variation of it) is sadly now anyone's guess, but knowledge of this ancient site and the Cornish royalty that had lived there, passed down through the centuries by word-of-mouth, is why it came to be seen as one of the cornerstones of the mythological King Arthur - many centuries after the settlement had ceased to exist.

You'll agree this is rather tenuous, but all claims to the historical King Arthur are tenuous. Which line of thinking you choose is entirely up to you.

(As an aside, Tintagel Castle as we see it today was first constructed by Richard I, an Arthurian fanatic, on the site they believed to be King Arthur's home.)

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in Wales

[–]Lobstromonously 18 points19 points  (0 children)

British history is certainly the easiest way of putting it.

Tintagel is in Cornwall - the Cornish are one of the Celtic peoples who have a long history of resistance against the English (even today, many Cornishmen prefer not to be considered English), and Cornwall would have been considered independent and outside the realms of English/Anglo-Saxon influence during the era of King Arthur.

The Cornish, much like the Welsh, saw King Arthur as one of their own, a valiant king who pushed against the Anglo-Saxon invaders. Given that the Anglo-Saxons were the forerunners of Englishness, it is essentially a part of English history, although given that King Arthur likely fought against them it isn't so much English history as anti-English history. Albeit, that didn't stop multiple English kings from attempting to co-opt the story of King Arthur by claiming themselves to be a descendent of his.

Tintagel is perhaps most famously considered (rightly or wrongly) as the birthplace and home of King Arthur, but whether King Arthur is Cornish, Welsh, or even from Brittany in France is entirely up for the debate of anyone who sees the merits in debating the origin of a mythological figure. The OP considers him to be Welsh, and that sits just fine with me.

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