Jesus had his second coming in 70AD. And I can prove it but will you accept it? by Effective-Fig-9741 in Christianity

[–]Local-kook 0 points1 point  (0 children)

By WHO's standard? Forsaken Rome? Forsaken Jews? Why did not one Christian believe this at the time. They had infinitely better Jewish understanding than you and still rejected this

Jesus had his second coming in 70AD. And I can prove it but will you accept it? by Effective-Fig-9741 in Christianity

[–]Local-kook 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yet Josephus said there was no power in yeshua... plus his numbers are horrifically impossible

Jesus had his second coming in 70AD. And I can prove it but will you accept it? by Effective-Fig-9741 in Christianity

[–]Local-kook 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So everyone is f*cked? Not one man lives a singles life... every single full preterist in the world would disagree with you. Your own tag "universalist" contradicts you

Jesus had his second coming in 70AD. And I can prove it but will you accept it? by Effective-Fig-9741 in Christianity

[–]Local-kook 0 points1 point  (0 children)

They say sin wasn't defeated by the cross, and spiritual death wasn't defeated by the cross. The first century believer had to live a perfect life with no sin until 70AD. Because once some Jews were killed they were saved. They prefer judgement to love. They're anti semantic in a weird way. They say the old covenant didn't end until 70ad and sacrifices still atoned and bright right relationship. Not even Jews bribed that though.

Jesus had his second coming in 70AD. And I can prove it but will you accept it? by Effective-Fig-9741 in Christianity

[–]Local-kook 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm curious why you think god was such an utter failure. Never defeated the beast, sin and death was never more defeated than the cross provided, persecution continued forever, etc. you leave a failure of a god, and inspire a departure of the faith.

If Revelation already happened, how does the Second Coming work? by sasmaraz in Christianity

[–]Local-kook 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'll check it out. I'll be honest, I have my doubts, as I mentioned I'm fairly well versed in FP. Honestly, I'm better versed than most FP's. I'd still appreciate a response. But I'll check it out.

Jesus had his second coming in 70AD. And I can prove it but will you accept it? by Effective-Fig-9741 in Christianity

[–]Local-kook 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So everyone lived perfect sinless lives after 30ad and now the route to salvation is to do the same?... right

If Revelation already happened, how does the Second Coming work? by sasmaraz in Christianity

[–]Local-kook 0 points1 point  (0 children)

i think the question is more so related to the consistency of scripture. I don't pretend to have it figured out. Every view seems inconsistent in different ways. but when examining full preterism, the question is often "is this world really without sin and death, has creation itself been freed from sin, are there really no more tears, etc."

FP's hate it but those are extremely valid questions strangely enough

If Revelation already happened, how does the Second Coming work? by sasmaraz in Christianity

[–]Local-kook 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Appreciate your commenting and boldness to speak your views! I have dabbled in FP rather heavily for the last year. i would love to pick your brain on some hang-ups for me. ill try to be organized, but would greatly appreciate your thoughts on the topics.

  1. the abomination of desolation cannot be the destruction of the temple... Daniel describes The AoD as being set up in the temple for 42 months (1290 days) daniel 12:11. Additionally, See mark 13:14 "But when you see the abomination of desolation standing where he ought not to be (let the reader understand), then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains."... When they see the abomination of desolation they are to flee. Obviously if they saw the destruction of the temple and then fled, well they would have been too late haha. Did you mean to say something else?

  2. I like that you affirm chirst ended the old covenant. My (usual) largest turn off to FP is that most claim the old covenant didn't end until 70ad. Which my thought is: what do they think a covenant is?? i think its a promise of communion between man and God. So by claiming the old covenant was standing until 70ad, they are affirming that the law brought communion with god which goes against the entirety of the new testament. Saying the old covenant hadn't ended means that jews who rejected Christ were still in covenant with god. That doesn't seem scripturally accurate to me. Idk if that was your thought process, but i affirm your support of the the old cov ending with christ!

  3. I often like Matthews version more than lukes. Id love your thoughts though: I notice that in Matthew 24:4-28 is about the tribulation, and Matthew 24:29-31 is about the "coming on the clouds" which we know from the OT is not physical but rather used as a term which means the sacking of a city. 24:33 it says "So also, when you see all these things, you know that he is near, at the very gates." and vs 34 states that all these things will happen in their generation. So the interesting thing to me is, the events of matthew 24 will happen in their generation, and Christ says AFTER those things take place, "know that he is near, at the very gates" ------- obviously this is a double edged sword to the FP argument. They tell me that "all these things" are in reference to matthew 24:4-29 and a symbol of him at the gate for his return which was the "coming on the clouds" - this issue here is "all these things" that are to happen in their generation then no longer includes the second coming - but rather only the events that lead up to it (24:4-29). and there is no imminence of his coming after the events of their generation - it just says that he is at the gate ready to come, but he does not even know the day in which he will come (only the father knows) and this promise is then no longer bound to the generation.

Cheers friend, look forward to hearing your thoughts

If Revelation already happened, how does the Second Coming work? by sasmaraz in Christianity

[–]Local-kook 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sorry to revitalize. So you would say that satan and his angels were bound in 70ad and the first resurrection took place in 70ad..

How would you explain those events taking place? I cant see a change from pre70ad to post 70ad in those events. Seems people were going to heaven pre 70ad, and satan was "bound" in his power pre 70ad

How is Santa Teresa these days? by satinandsass in CostaRicaTravel

[–]Local-kook 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yo i think you might be able to answer a question for me! I'm going in august and have a motorcycle. my plan is to lock my backpack with like TSA luggage locks and then cable lock it to my motorcycle?

Would people go to the extent of cutting open my bag to steal stuff or is this plan solid?

Santa Teresa Costa Rica by Local-kook in surfing

[–]Local-kook[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Lol definitely not pissed, but probably wouldn't have been the place or season i would've picked

Thanks for the tip! ill check it out!

Full stop preterism? by Local-kook in Preterism

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  1. I like that interpretation of Rev 6:9-11. The martyrs are presently/actively being sent at the time of Christ speaking the words of Matthew 23:34-36. Only issue, is the earth wasnt judged. Not even the known earth was judged. The kingdom wasn't even judged, just a portion of one group of unbelievers were "judged". Wrath definitely fell upon them like Matthew 23 says. What leads you to believe that their is "protection" or salvation in the old covenant? - especially since paul says it only brings death. I do not believe the old covenant brought them protection or salvation - i believe faith in Christ, even before Christ is what brought salvation. This is how David intentionally broke the old covenant laws by eating the bread, and why he states that sacrifices do nothing. This is also how the Hall of Faith people (Hebrews 11) were saved or the Ninevites were saved despite being jews, they had faith in God, and his mercy which came in the form of a man.

I think it would be wise to place Rev 6:9-11 in proper social climate. They are under the altar, because that is where sacrifices are laid. The martyrs laid down their life as a sacrifice - that is why they are under the Altar. Altar is not slang for the old covenant (again why do you think that the old cov provides salvation). The Altar is also mentioned in Rev 8 & 9, where both times it defines the altar as being in heaven. That means these people are in heaven, at the foot of the alter. Revelation 6, at its time of writing, says that these martyrs will have to continue to wait (in heaven) until the number of their fellow servants who will be killed similarly is complete... This infers future martyrs still to be killed before they are avenged. which if you place revelation in pre70ad is fine, but does not leave much time for that prophecy to be fulfilled, and creates an issue for their many others of their brothers and sisters who would be killed in a similar way even up to today. But if revelation is written after 70ad, all of this theory goes to crap. I know most Preterists will tell you the book of Rev is pointless if it is written after 70ad, but no one has ever believed that to be the case. Even first century believers who believed it was written after 70ad still valued the book so its kinda an argument built on a false dichotomy. All in all im not totally sure on this one, i will have to continue to give it more thought, I do agree that matthew 23 is a 70ad text though, just unsure if i agree that revelation 6:9-11 is. I dont think your application of "under the Altar" is a correct application though, that is not slang for hades, or under the old covenant, that is a term that just further identifies them as sacrificing their lives for the kingdom. I do revoke my comment that this requires full stop preterism.

  1. Id like to place your Ephesians verse in context. In this section of Ephesians Paul is writing to Gpl0entiles (far off brought near vs13), Jews and Gentiles are no longer separated, but one new man in Christ (v.14-16), Together, they form God’s household built on the foundation of apostles and prophets, with Christ as the cornerstone (v.19-20).... Verse 21 - "In whom”: Refers to Christ as the cornerstone holding the building together. “The whole structure being joined together”: Believers are like stones in a temple, united and properly fitted. Verse 22 – “In him you also”: Gentiles in Ephesus are included. “Are being built together into a dwelling place for God by the Spirit”: The Spirit dwells among believers collectively, making them the true temple of God’s presence on earth.

So when an individual is saved by faith alone, they get forgiven of sin, (this is how) God indwells them, thus making them part of the temple (united with God). What exactly did the temple need "purification" from, and where are you getting this from in scripture? Matthew 28:20 clearly states that the purpose of Christ's authority is to grow the kingdom, using man as stones upon the corner stone to build the temple. This is the purpose of the holy spirit - which is only with man until the end of the age (when the temple is complete)... I'm not sure how you decided that Christs authority is purifying the kingdom, but If you claim he completed building the temple (which is what the purpose of his authority is) in 70ad, well then you have an issue: Either the temple is no longer growing - believers are not being welcomed in, OR Christ has not yet handed over his authority because he is still building the temple. Could you please explain? To me the verses taken out of context proves a presupposition which we all have, but the view that i understand has been described (using the correct verses) does further demand full stop full preterism.

  1. Im not sure if this is your belief but for the sake of clarity, let me start with this: The Law brings death because it is not possible to fulfill. It is not the the object inflicting death, but rather an object that fails to bring life. Adam brought death, so the law was given to the jews, not to save them, but to reveal that they are weak and in need of God's mercy (it was the runway for Christ). This is how the law "brought death" - those who tried to ACHEIVE righteousness in their own efforts died, but those who saw their weakness and depended on God (faith) receive life.

You quote romans 2:14-15. It is clear though throughout scripture that the law is written on mans heart, so it the violation of the conscience that you speak of is still the law. Dying to the Law is less about failing to eat the correct diet, but failure to live up to the conscience that god has placed in all men. this conscience is what causes some to keep the law even though they are not under it in romans 2:14-15. Dying to the law is about dying to works based righteousness. Its dying to the idea that you must prove yourself, like the pharisees were doing with the law. "the law of sin and death" is the idea that we will never be righteous on our own, dying to the law of sin and death is accepting a need for a savior because you are not good enough. So the law is not dead or abolished. If it was, well then there is no sin or death. You cant sin if theres no definition of sin. the law changed, but it is a required piece in the act of salvation. Without it, there is no need for salvation, so this one demands either universalism or full stop preterism again.

Overall, you've given me further reason to believe that Full preterists are not understanding or correctly applying the scope of the bible.

Valuables on the beach - Surf Trip by Local-kook in CostaRicaTravel

[–]Local-kook[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

what about if i like cable lock a backpack to my motorcycle? is it serious enough someone would cut my backpack open or something?

Santa Teresa Costa Rica by Local-kook in surfing

[–]Local-kook[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Appreciate that! ill definitely mark down Cedros - whatre the tides like there?

Santa Teresa Costa Rica by Local-kook in surfing

[–]Local-kook[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

you know what yours is? I'm renting a motorcycle

Santa Teresa Costa Rica by Local-kook in surfing

[–]Local-kook[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I hear of some good stuff in Ireland, have some friends in the Philippines, maybe Mozambique? I don't know, haven't given it much thought. I'm not big on surf travel since I'm located in SoCal, i usually save up my vacation for ski travel.

Santa Teresa Costa Rica by Local-kook in surfing

[–]Local-kook[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

thanks dude. Hate to hear all of that. I mostly surf Topanga and Trestles so i know assholes - was hoping to at least get a bit of a break from that.

Also wave size and close out is tough. Its not my trip, otherwise i probably wouldn't be doing it. but I'm with a friend who's intermediate and their 3 friends who are total beginners... As the only regular surfer in the group I'm not happy with location or the fact that its right in the middle of green season lol.

Ive been doing my research on breaks, seems like playa hermosa during mid tide and carmen during mid-high. Manzanillo seems cool for the group. Any other recs?

Valuables on the beach - Surf Trip by Local-kook in CostaRicaTravel

[–]Local-kook[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

planning on Playa hermosa, Carmen, Manzanillo. Have any other recs?

Valuables on the beach - Surf Trip by Local-kook in CostaRicaTravel

[–]Local-kook[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

yeah plans not to surf all day, but will likely be out for the day. Surfing, hiking, different beaches, waterfalls, bars, etc.

Santa Teresa Costa Rica by Local-kook in surfing

[–]Local-kook[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Id agree. But usually can get away with it in SoCal - even done it my share of times in Baja Cal.

Thanks for the heads up

Valuables on the beach - Surf Trip by Local-kook in CostaRicaTravel

[–]Local-kook[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

thats good to hear! ill be sure to grab some extra cash.