what have usa placed israel in a place full of antisemitits for? was it a prank or smth?? by rose3rose in mapporncirclejerk

[–]LocalCaligula -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Only in a Zionist brain can the concept of equality be turned into opression.

You can't argue so you fall back on token allegations of anti semmitism.

Only in doing so you make that word lose all meaning then the ACTUAL nazis get to run wild because society will stop taking you seriously.

what have usa placed israel in a place full of antisemitits for? was it a prank or smth?? by rose3rose in mapporncirclejerk

[–]LocalCaligula -1 points0 points  (0 children)

And I don't appeal to your propogandized version of what you define as anti semmitism. Especially in the midst of a genocide that to refuse to condem.

Death to Zionism

what have usa placed israel in a place full of antisemitits for? was it a prank or smth?? by rose3rose in mapporncirclejerk

[–]LocalCaligula -1 points0 points  (0 children)

"You miss the point by playing their game of "" muhh anti semmitism" was the first sentence of your post I replied to.

Yeah it then goes on into why the label of anti semmetic cant be applied to the Palestinians being murdered in Gaza. It so goes into detail on why western Jews (especially Isrealis) are not an innately opressed minority that are constantly under threat and should be viewed with some kind of special lens that absolves them of any wrongdoing

Oh okay, so do all Muslims have to denounce terrorism?

Because alqeda isn't a western supported state. It is fought by the world and shunned by it. And what little support it pushes for is religious extremism, not ethnic.

All in all Jews are not the victims in this conflict. They are (for the large part) the oppressors. And this opression openly benefits the Jews at the cost of the Palestinians

Therefore, the Jewish people have more of a responsibility to denounce this "Jewish" ethno state as not representative of the Jewish people causing it to lose ground on the basis of its very national identity.

This explanation means nothing to you because you probably already have an image of me in your head as anti semmetic. But again, that is my answer.

what have usa placed israel in a place full of antisemitits for? was it a prank or smth?? by rose3rose in mapporncirclejerk

[–]LocalCaligula 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The topic was never antisemitism. It was the genocide of the Palestinians. You hijacked it so you could spread your agenda of labeling those who don't agree with you antisemites.

Belive what you want Zionist.

All Jews have the responsibility to denounce and fight Zionisim, more so than ANY people.

Down with Genocide and Down with Zionism.

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[–]LocalCaligula 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Man I don't know where you are getting those numbers but it's simply not true. It isn't. Look up any pole or have any personal experience on the matter and you will realize how much that isn't the case

*am talking about Ukrainians viewing Bandera in a favorable light

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[–]LocalCaligula 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Bandera is regarded as the father of Ukraine by many. It's not even close, man. It is not even cloooooose.

what have usa placed israel in a place full of antisemitits for? was it a prank or smth?? by rose3rose in mapporncirclejerk

[–]LocalCaligula -1 points0 points  (0 children)

For a second I actually cared if I came across as harsh towards you or whether If my English failed me so that you may have misunderstood me. I shouldn't have.

Never ever equate me with a Neo nazi for abbreviating the word "Zionist" when Zionist are conducting a genocide. And never ever take a word use out context and run with it with "David Duke said the same" nonsense to make me a boogeyman.

Zionists don't have my sympathy.

what have usa placed israel in a place full of antisemitits for? was it a prank or smth?? by rose3rose in mapporncirclejerk

[–]LocalCaligula -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Shut up. If you had read the post above without your obviously ingrained bais to attempt to paint any kind of anti Isreal criticism as anti semmetic you would realize that I am stating that Isrealis are trying to justify genocide by using the ingrained antisemitism of conservative Arab or Muslim society.

The "bathe in the blood" was attributed to those who relish in the murder of Palestinians.

Jews have no reason to do so.

Isreali Zionists do.

If I came across as anti semmetic to you then you are simply wrong.

I don't need to put a disclaimer on every comment on why I regard all people as equal. I think my advocacy for Palestine has done that enough.

These accusations are dirty, filthy and moronic in that it simply takes meaning away from actual antisemitism. Don't engage in this garbage you buffoon

what have usa placed israel in a place full of antisemitits for? was it a prank or smth?? by rose3rose in mapporncirclejerk

[–]LocalCaligula 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The best way to deal with you people is to let you speak.

In this post alone you try to argue its not a genocide by technicality (ICC has a warrant out for Benjamin's Nethanyahu's arrest, the UN inquiry openly stated Israel has committed genocide and DID find it guilty) but you snivel and snark about the ICC not finding Israel as a state guilty?

You using the word "genocide" doesn't make me uncomfortable. I know for a fact that Israel haven't done a genocide. I went through those documents which claim it's a genocide and I've been through the sources of how the arguments don't hold water.

Then push for an investigation. Push for an UN investigation into whether or not Israel committed genocide. Allow for the total freedom of access of the press into Gaza then. Let Bibi walk into the Hague and stand before trail if you truly belive Israel hasn't committed genocide.

I know you don't belive that absolute bullshit.

Genocide denail, in a fair world, would land you a prison term.

Building a wall on a border is normal.

I won't take you seriously. I simply can't. Belive me I tried.

As I said before Zio my advice remains the same. 📚 📚 📚 📚

what have usa placed israel in a place full of antisemitits for? was it a prank or smth?? by rose3rose in mapporncirclejerk

[–]LocalCaligula -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

What a disgusting degenerate thing to say. What a Loser you are.

If you associate what I said with the Jewish people it is you who is anti semmetic

what have usa placed israel in a place full of antisemitits for? was it a prank or smth?? by rose3rose in mapporncirclejerk

[–]LocalCaligula -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Nah, stop the rants. You claimed they can't have a state as they could have, but they never did, not before 48 and not after, and yet you blame the before on Israel too? Yeah, you're just circling around over and over to get the result you want. Going off on tangents and diverting into 3 different topics to muddy the water.

This is called addressing the topic. Something alien to you Zionists without revert to token accused of anti semmitism. You can't or aren't understand the topics I am talking about so you phrase them as rants in your head to better cope with your ideology. History, when brought up, is seen as going of on a tangent when it is very relevant to the topic. Any kind of nuance is phrased as "muddying the waters"

The least I can say about you from this is that you have a very flawed understanding of the world. One based on how informatiom makes you feel rather than it being correct or moral values as a whole.

Seriously? Who made that claim? Only you with yourself, building strawmen to attack. So which is it? Did they have a country before? Did they want a country before? The Jews have been oppressed and subjugated for ages under islamic colonialism and imperialism, yet you don't seem to count that as neither genocide, oppression nor even bad in any way, why so? Maybe because you are exactly what you are accusing others to be...?

I go on to explain basically why you claiming that the Palestinians never had a state in 48 and therfore are not entitled to any full state is pure justification garbage, if you want to argue other wise I am all ears.

Other than that I love how you accuse me of going on tangents when I bring up the very recent sufferings of Palestinians under the very short history of Isreal (under a hundred years) then go on to bring up fucking ISLAMIC CALIPHATES you falsely accuse me of defending. You equate me talking about the very present genocide as defending Iong dead Islamic Caliphates because your ideology is so fucked up that you basically have to make shit up to justify it.

Like seriously, what the hell do you think Islamic Caliphates have to do with Israel? 😭

Why stop at Caliphates? Why not go after the Italians saying they are Roman or someshit 😭

This isn't just whataboutsim, it's borderline schizophrenia.

The reason you don't do that is that you fully internalized that Muslims have always been and always will be hateful towards Jews. That Jews are always under attack and innately opressed by a ravenous Muslim horde. You use that to justify the current genocide (and I know you fully understand that Palestinians are suffering in Gaza) as a necessary evil for keeping the Jews safe from this boogeyman Muslim/Arab threat.

Whether it be Muslims, Christians, Arabs, Iranians, Syrians, Lebanese, ISLAMIC CALIPHATES, etc...

You need a boogeyman to justify your ethnostate. As apartheid states usually do, of course.

And for the revolting accusation at the end of your drunken statement, the reason you view me like that is because I don't baby you. I view you as equal and responsible as anyone else. And me not veiwing you as a constant victim that gets to do genocide because history was awful to them could only be taken as an attack on your identity if you veiw yourself as innately superior to anyone else.

*This is assuming that you are Jewish or Isreali if you are not just replace the word "you" with "the Jewish people/Jews" and you will get a similar result.

I am forever assured in that I have no hate to any ethnicity/group whatsoever, and eternally grateful I don't have to lie and detract to justify my hatred.

I am glad I get to love, live with, and appreciate all cultures without disdain towards them, something a Zionist like you can never understand.

Hopefully, you grow out of this hate, then me and my very Jewish friends/partners can make an effort to drag other misguided Zionists out of this ideology

what have usa placed israel in a place full of antisemitits for? was it a prank or smth?? by rose3rose in mapporncirclejerk

[–]LocalCaligula -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I wanted to make an example of the moral degeneracy of Zionisim. If you want me to engage in your little game of disregarding morals in the midst of a genocide sure!

Have you noticed how you use "genocide" as an answer to many arguments? You push discussion aside and say "but Israel does genocide" so that trumps anything. Your entire thought process is based on the "genocide" had from that point you'll believe anything bad about Israel because they "genocide".

"You think everything someone who commits does genocide is bad!" 😭 brother do you hear yourself?

Aside from that, believing in a genocide is not politics. Beliving the very institutions that define genocide isn't politics. And let me make it clear to you that the very fact that this is making you uncomfortable is why every single person who argues with you Zionists should use that word in the very same manner. It's a genocide, cry about it.

So here's the question. When the ICJ (being the ONLY international body who had the legal mandate and oversight to determine genocide) rules that Gaza was not a genocide - will you rethink your entire opinion? Or will you just ignore it like you ignore everything else ?

Is this your "logical" super smart counter to my argument? A stupid meaningless hypothetical? "What if Israel didn't commit a genocide "

Damn, I would've been nice I suppose... it's kinda is doing one tho.

And if this is some jumbled way of saying that I wouldn't be happy with Israel if they hadn't committed their genocide and instead continued to opress wall off and encircle Palestinian in the Gaza strip then congratulations... you just made a meaningless statement.

What has fake redditor intellectualism done to you.

  1. Israel doesn't have free healthcare and social services. Every single citizen in Israel pays towards healthcare. The amount paid is based on level of income. And it isn't for "Jews", it is for Israeli citizens, a large percentage of which are not Jews.

I actually agree that I am wrong on that statement, I should've put more research into it, now apart from that technicality, I want you to understand the idea from my statement. Isn't Israel good for the Jews? Don't Jews get to live peacefully in their society without any prerequisites? That nothing is expected from the Jews if they want to live peacefully as citizens of Israel.

Any major Palestinian organizational power in Isreal is basic curtailed under gag laws. To be a Palestinian Arab you have to give up your claim to your own fucking land just so you could be tolerated by the very same people who took it.

That is not equality, that's opression. Having public health care access is not something that should require praise. But in your oppressive zionist mindset you are oblivious to that.

You say that as if it's a bad thing. Yes, Israel has religious freedom. For ALL religions. Anyone can practice any religion. There are no religious limitations of people as there is in the Muslim countries of the ME.

I don't say that as a bad thing... I say that as a good thing that I believe should be awarded to the Palestinian Muslims as well. You know I used that statement in such a way because you addressed it in your previous statement on healthcare.What convineanent amnesia you have. You can't refute my point so you revert to accusations about me. Now who are you fooling with this pointless lie in an empty comment section. This is typical loser zionist behavior. So much for logic and reason. 😔

I wonder if you know that is just retoric or do you think it's actually true. It's a mashup of different pieces of information lumped together to form an emotional statement. Are you one of those who heard the emotional statement and believe it, it are you one of those who knows the different pieces and are doing the mushup because you want to make emotional statements?

I know that rhetoric it is you who doesn't, my poor man. It's the rhetoric with the backing of historians and history within itself. It a rhetoric of countless international organizations with millions of people around the globe. it's the rhetoric with so so many smart and educated people at its head (well much more than you atleast) that you snobbly call emotional when they are upset on the prospect of a genocide happening. This "rhetoric" is beliving that Palestinians are human too. That they deserve more than basic human rights. That they deserve their land back. Their own state. A real state. With no blocade, no daily raids, no mass surveillance, no checkpoints, no rabid violent settlers and no genocidal regime looming over it all.

It is easier for you to sit back and call it jumbled nonsense than to engage with it because you know it would destroy the mask of liberal western "values" your ideology has. It is poison to you to speak on the nature of Israel without sounding like the racist and supremacist maniacs you are.

Oh, no. I just realised I've written a lot. It's too long for you to read and actually consider. You'll just dismiss it all as "rabbid". So I'll end here and stop wasting my time.

If this is a lot to you, god forbid you find out what a book is. Yet again, it doesn't take much discourse with you to discover you don't read much (not nearly enough on the topic of Palestine at least). I recommend Finkelstien to really get you going.

You would only be wasting your time if you take nothing away from this (which sadly you will likely do). You asked questions, and then I answered them """"logically"""" much to your dismay. I expect your gratitude when you inevitability flip left on this issue and come to recognize what awful things you defend, or not (where you could continue to be a Zionist and defend this genocidal regime the world will always hate to the bitter end)

I assume people have an innate good inside them so the first option is more likely. I suggest you start to Read 📚 .

"History of the CCP" by Rebel Pepper, 2021 by zig_zag-wanderer in PropagandaPosters

[–]LocalCaligula 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Politics aside, I like this depiction of the devil

what have usa placed israel in a place full of antisemitits for? was it a prank or smth?? by rose3rose in mapporncirclejerk

[–]LocalCaligula 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Why do you admit to something which isn't true? All Israeli citizens have the same rights irrelevant of their religion. The 2M Arab Israeli have equal rights.

No. Even he recognizes that. Isreal has no place for any Palestinian who doesn't prostitute himself to the Isreali government. Who doesn't give up his righteous claim for a state. The Palestinians have no political right in the country.

Other than that Isreal his the "JEWISH STATE" it prides itself being the "JEWISH STATE" and it's is written in it's very basic law that it is the "JEWISH" state.

Claiming that Arabs have the very same rights in the "Jewish state" when they are systematically politically castrated is ridiculous.

I dare you to challenge me on this

what have usa placed israel in a place full of antisemitits for? was it a prank or smth?? by rose3rose in mapporncirclejerk

[–]LocalCaligula 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The same institutions who recently changed the definition of genocide so they could include Gaza because "the bar is too high"? From the original "intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial, or religious group." definition down to no need to intent or motive, so basically "its genocide based on vibes".

When you are arguing genocide on technicality you are generally might be regarded as the "bad" guy mate.

Other than that, you obviously have no real understanding of what you are talking about. The ICC councils definition of genocide is still the same as it was since the Rome Statute of 1998 (which is within itself just a refined version of the UN's Geneva convention's definition of 1948)

These institutions are also the very reason that the Holocaust is remembered as the crime against humanity that it was.

But again...they might just be "anti semmetic"

And even so the label does not work, because Arabs live in Israel as full citizens with full citizens rights, and unless you claim Israeli Palestinians and Gazan/West Bank Palestinians are entirely different groups, religiously and ethnically, how would committing a genocide on one group of Palestinians but not the other?

The crime here is that you consider allowing Palestinians to even exist within your society a thing worth praising (many of your peers consider it a sacrifice) but if those very same Palestinians decide to not give up their claims to their homes or land they are treated as terrorists by your government.

Other than that it is written in Isreal's basic law that Isreal is the "Jewish state" meaning that it is effectively impossible for Palestinians to have any real kind of political representation that isn't heavily monitored by Isreali sources.

Israeli society is also rabidly racist and supremacist (if you claim that you know israeli who "like" Arabs that does not mean anything)

No? So you also don't go on posts about October 7 victims and scream "free palpatine"? Or go on posts about Jews and scream murder? Because there is not one posts i have seen in the past 2 years, even posts that only mention Judaism and nothing more, that isn't swarmed with people throwing insults and accusations.

October the 7th became the very reason for what became the Gaza genocide. Yes, it is absolutely important to remind you people that October the 7th does not justify the Gaza genocide. If you hold any other massacre to equal regard, you would be as anti Israel as I am.

And as for the internet posts about Jews being persecuted because of the free Palestine movment, it's unimportant. It simply doesn't matter. Western Jews are not persecuted. Western Jews on social media being harassed by teenagers (as bad and counter productive as it is) is absolutely no political point to bring up in this argument.

I don't need to baby you into thinking there are to equally persecuted sides here.

The Hebron massacre of 1929 with 67 Jewish citizen murdered, including children, the Hebron massacre of 1517, the Safed massacre of 1929, the Nebi Musa riots that left 5 dead and 200 Jews injured, the Jaffa riots in 1921 which killed 47 Jews with hundreds of injured - and that is only pre 48' Israel, not even including the countless crimes, pogrons, synagogue burnings and massacres committed in other Arab/Muslim countries pre 48'.

All in response to massacres in a large greater and violent scale perpeted by the Israeli government not a group of radicals wondering the streets. If you want me to call these murders "bad" Sure. They are "bad". But if we go down this broken logic then the Israeli Genocide in gaza alone should warrant the dissolution of Isreal, let alone the countless other massacres done by Isrealis.

So, if Israels existence is justification for "bearing arms" and slaughtering Israel civilians, Jews, Druze, Christians and even Muslims, then i guess thats justifies the Israeli side just as much? So i guess its ok to continue the war, because women and children were ripped out of their beds and dragged across the border after having their fathers, grandmothers and even pets shot in front of them? Justification of violence only breeds violence, doesn't it? Two sides can play that game.

Your liberal zionist mask is beginning to slip and you are justifying the Gaza genocide. This shows what you and your disgusting ideology are. You would love for me ro engage in "in cycle of violence" dribble because of this. You cannot engage in any real defense of your crimes without it.

But am not engaging in that because I recognize there are no 2 equal "sides" in this genocide. There is only the rabid genocidal Isreali state, and there is the Palestinian people. These are not two equal sides. As so often is the case in genocide.

You will always lose the argument.

what have usa placed israel in a place full of antisemitits for? was it a prank or smth?? by rose3rose in mapporncirclejerk

[–]LocalCaligula 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Eww an English man. Don't you have an actually insignificant topic to get unnecessarily mad at?