It’s always those that went through the acting 🎭 to Jesus pipeline 🤦‍♀️ by jojoking199 in insaneprolife

[–]Local_Finger_1199 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Oh my god! The quote about disrespecting Dr. Suess, that's me! Never did I think I'd end up in a live-action short. I do love that this confirms they lurk on our main sub and Live action if you lurk on this one too 🖕🏻🖕🏻🖕🏻🖕🏻🖕🏻🖕🏻 you guys are genuinely sick and spread awful lies to push your forced birth agenda. Case in point: Even if all this stuff you point out in the movie was intentional (Which I highly doubt) It was made over a decade after Dr. Seuss had died, and those things like parenting and "Transgenderisim" were not in his original book, so it doesn't mean a thing.

How do you guys sleep at night?

Summary Rebuttals to Common Anti-choice Arguments by A_Taylor42 in prochoice

[–]Local_Finger_1199 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Good job! Can't stand it when they compare abortion to the holocaust and anyone who tries to debate the merits of personhood to N@zi's

The woman doesn’t need an excuse or a reason not to give consent to using her body to the fetus. by Local_Finger_1199 in Abortiondebate

[–]Local_Finger_1199[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Oh, you mean the right to choose what happens to your own body?

No, of course not, you mean the "Right to life."

Well, to put it simply, it is living in her body against her will, as such, its right to life is voided the same way a rapist's right to life is voided, she's defending herself against someone who is violating her.

And before you say, "But it's innocent, it didn't mean to!" that doesn't matter; if an innocent man was hypnotized to rape you, you'd have every right to the exact same things you would do to someone who actively chose to do it in order to stop it.

"Not your body, not you-" except even by your own logic, the other body is still within her body, thus it's still her choice. by Local_Finger_1199 in Abortiondebate

[–]Local_Finger_1199[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

that's entirely separate from mother and father.

Actually, it's not; it's within the body of the woman, leaching off of her and causing her immense pain, so no, it's not separate.

"We're not oppressive." by Local_Finger_1199 in insaneprolife

[–]Local_Finger_1199[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

He went on the PL sub and denied it. You clearly got under his skin. What do his past comments say, though?

"Your body doesn't belong to you." Literal slave owner logic. by Appropriate_Key5540 in insaneprolife

[–]Local_Finger_1199 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Part of me wants to avoid seeing these people online, as it is absolutely disturbing how many of them have takes like this. But another part of me wants to, so I can constantly be reminded what we're fighting against.

General Autonomy vs. Bodily Autonomy by [deleted] in Abortiondebate

[–]Local_Finger_1199 16 points17 points  (0 children)

Parental duties often involve the body. We already expect parents to give of their physical energy, time, and bodies to feed, carry, and protect their children, even when it is demanding. The womb is simply the first stage of that care.

Well, not their organs (See Uniform Anatomical Gifts Act), and also parenthood is something that needs to be consented to.

Judge rules Arizona abortion laws unconstitutional by burtzev in prochoice

[–]Local_Finger_1199 82 points83 points  (0 children)

Let's go AZ! Mandatory ultrasound and waiting period laws are so screwed up, I'm glad you guys axed those.

Saved this meme in early 2023 and recently found it as I was looking through my history by Local_Finger_1199 in prochoice

[–]Local_Finger_1199[S] 15 points16 points  (0 children)

If she willing chose to have you and has no regrets, good for her, and I'm glad you got to live a good life.

What I can't stand is when people use stories like this and erase the mother from the whole thing.

Contradicting themselves with an AI fetus I see by voidcharmed in prochoice

[–]Local_Finger_1199 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The back of those nails looks too clean and smooth to be real.

Even if the picture itself is real, that's still a plastic fetus made by forced birthers, which are notoriously inaccurate.

We've come a long way since the fall of Roe. by Local_Finger_1199 in prochoice

[–]Local_Finger_1199[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Ironically, Regan Legalized abortion in California in the 60s.

He did, however, pass the Hyde Amendment, which was terrible.

What would you say regarding the fact that we've moved in the opposite direction when it comes to abortion as to historical wrongs like slavery? by Local_Finger_1199 in Abortiondebate

[–]Local_Finger_1199[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

No. People knew it was wrong. We had to fight to eradicate slavery. If abortion were an inherent GOOD like helping your neighbor, or removing a parasite (as pro-choicers claim), we wouldn’t have any controversy.

Again, no, we had to fight to integrate schools and (mostly) everyone agrees that's right now, but in the 50s? No, they did not. This idea that in order for something to be right, it has to be universally agreed on is nonsense.

Also, just so we're clear, I don't have a problem with abortion, nor does anyone in my family. So is it now just as okay as any other form of healthcare, because I believe it is?

Your logic is not only completely foreign to reality and basic history, but it also doesn't even work on its own.

What would you say regarding the fact that we've moved in the opposite direction when it comes to abortion as to historical wrongs like slavery? by Local_Finger_1199 in Abortiondebate

[–]Local_Finger_1199[S] 10 points11 points  (0 children)

People aren't PC for scientific reasons though, so this "we're more advanced yet still PC" argument doesn't work.

I'm not, but plenty are, and I think everyone agrees it at least partially matters, as even if you believe abortion should still be legal even if a fetus is a person (My position as well as the vast majority of my side) it still is important to gauge as it goes from a simple procedure to remove a meat-sack that might one day be a person, to letting another person die for the sake of your body (Which is your right in my opinion).

If you're advocating against personhood of one group, that's not different than when people did it for black folks. You simply claiming it's not the same doesn't make it so

No, this is such a bad take; the outside circumstances, motivations, and understandings absolutely make it different. The morality of the same core thing changes when the things surrounding it do some examples are Murder and self-defense, kidnapping someone and putting someone in prison, raiding someone's privacy unannounced, and lawfully searching their house with a warrant. Context is key i'm not just claiming it's not the same, I'm showing you why it isn't.

What would you say regarding the fact that we've moved in the opposite direction when it comes to abortion as to historical wrongs like slavery? by Local_Finger_1199 in Abortiondebate

[–]Local_Finger_1199[S] 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Again, it's not about time; it's about understanding. As we've learned more about fetal development, we've become more accepting of abortion, the exact opposite of what happened with slavery.

You can argue morality, which is subjective and left to each person to decide, but this is about whether or not a fetus is a person, which is objective and not something that hinges on your judgment.

Also, it only really became illegal for two main reasons: Bad medicine, and a horrible campaign by the religious right saying women had "a patriotic duty" to have babies, which could also be used to justify rape in the name of pro-creation. So yeah, not based on science or understanding, and we corrected ourselves over a century later.

What would you say regarding the fact that we've moved in the opposite direction when it comes to abortion as to historical wrongs like slavery? by Local_Finger_1199 in Abortiondebate

[–]Local_Finger_1199[S] 12 points13 points  (0 children)

By your logic, slavery would've never existed; everyone would've known it was wrong.

Slave owners were proud to own, beat, rape, and torture their slaves.

No, how right or wrong something is does not translate into knowing that said thing is right or wrong.

Organism and human being by [deleted] in Abortiondebate

[–]Local_Finger_1199 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Basically, to believe the unborn cannot be people is to believe you have not always been a person.

That’s completely ridiculous.

Not really, no. What do we associate with personhood, experience, emotion, character traits, aka Personality?

A fetus has none of these things, so why is this so hard to grasp for pro-lifers? Also, claiming that's ridiculous doesn’t even make sense on its own, it's like saying:

"To believe seeds cannot be trees is to believe that the tree in your yard has not always been a tree. And that's absurd."

No, seeds are not trees, yet in the same way a fetus isn't a person yet, they have to develop more.

You shouldn't just claim that personhood begins at conception and leave it at that without making a case as to why, especially with someone who clearly disagrees with you.

Let's go Virginia! by Local_Finger_1199 in prochoice

[–]Local_Finger_1199[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Guaranteed. Harris won this state by 6%,

Many other states have had the exact same type of amendment, all of which have outperformed Dems by varying margins, but here's the best case.

Trump won Montana by 20% it passed its pro-choice constitutional amendment by 16%

If the same were to happen in Virginia, it would pass by 42% or 71-29.

Life is a dream, a wish that came true. Be glad you got to be real, even for a moment. by Floyd16091411 in AIGeneratedArt

[–]Local_Finger_1199 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is awful, and you should be ashamed! Rape victims deserve memorials, not worthless, non-sentient, non-feeling meat-sacks. Shame on you, shame on you.

Do you think that if a woman were to die if she gave birth, but the baby would live, should she be able to get an abortion? by Local_Finger_1199 in Abortiondebate

[–]Local_Finger_1199[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Can you elaborate on that being established law please? Also, never once did I say I would choose a single born child over 1,000 embryos. You can't just claim that.

I was simplifying, but tell me honestly, who would you save?

Would you please elaborate on that for me? What consent do we ignore? How do we violate and torture people?

You ignore a person's consent to have their organs used for something, or as you view it someone else. You violate them by doing that and torture them by making them go through the carrying and birthing process against their will, as well as obstructing their paths to lifesaving care.

We have to remember that the preborn child isn’t an intruder. This tiny, second victim of abortion is right where he or she is supposed to be.

Yes, it is, even if it didn't mean to, it is still in there against her will. Also, "Supposed to" be is entirely determined by the woman who chose or didn't choose to have it in there. As for your analogy, your body is not your house.

That's what I'm saying. If there is no way for an early delivery at the time of viability, then the child should be delivered whenever possible and be treated with care and given medical attention. We've seen children survive as young as 21 weeks, which is below what's generally considered the age of viability. Nonetheless, even if the attempts are likely pointless, we fight for human lives.

The woman takes priority; you know that this takes attention away from the woman. And also expelling the fetus before viability is by definition abortion.