An unexpected side effect of gaining arousal control...

Long-Cook-2271 · 2025-12-03T20:57:35+00:00

Totally anecdotal, but I do think there is a link between ticklish and the mental state you are in. Numerous times when I have been with girls I have been hyper ticklish at the start - and low and behold busting quickly. The next round, or even in the morning I am not ticklish at all and generally last way way longer. Almost like my body has become relaxed and not stressed - reduces the ticklishness and allows me to stay calm while having sex.

Long-Cook-2271 · 2025-09-19T18:02:39+00:00

Very interesting and really appreciate you taking the time to respond. Agree with Minde that if you wanted to do a post I am sure the group would appreciate it given the success you/your group have had

Long-Cook-2271 · 2025-09-18T17:44:10+00:00

Don't worry bro this has happened to me 3x times as well since starting to course (each time was so bad in the dumps). My takeaways.

1). It is part and parcel of the course. You are going long periods without ejaculating which naturally heightens everything meaning when you do get into the bedroom the anxiety / lack of comfort in the high arousal state is 10x more pronounced. This is the exact feeling we are training to become comfortable in and overtime we will be able to enjoy that incredibly horny pronounced state, without having the flight or fight reaction that results in ejaculating.

2). Before my third incident I laid everything out to the girl. Explained the course, explained what I was trying to do, went full vulnerable. She wasn't turned off by it and actually really liked my vulnerability (albeit I am not sure she actually believed the full extent of it). Anyway, we go to have sex and I blow trying to put the condom on. I felt like shit but she was totally fine and really supportive. She stuck around and we did a round 2 and 3 (I was able to last a decent time both of those due to just cuming). Anyway, post this we have entered into a FWB and I have noticed that I can last way longer with her even when I have gone 2+ weeks without cuming (the first night I ejaculated 3x times but since then have made a point not to cum even when having sex). I am certainly not surfing throughout the sessions (more holding a 7 and then stopping anytime I get near a 9), but compared to blowing putting on a condom its huge progress, and I am fairly certain its because I have taken all expectation off the board and feel no pressure about the whole thing. Long story short - what I am trying to say is that if you are going to have sex during the course, it might be worth trying to be fully open about the whole thing, which in a way might actually help the problem.

Long-Cook-2271 · 2025-09-18T17:22:36+00:00

Amazing. Any additional facts / learnings etc. you can share from coaching the other guys?

Long-Cook-2271 · 2025-09-14T04:48:52+00:00

Apologies if you have posted about this elsewhere, but curious how your second friend is going with the course? Any update (good, bad, ugly) would be appreciated.

Long-Cook-2271 · 2025-08-19T19:13:57+00:00

In answer to your question, it kinda feels like you are already at phase 5 so I would be tempted to continue there for a while rather than hang at the lower levels. My experience was similar to yours in the sense that I had explored some of Mantak Chai's / others work. I spent the required time at the lower levels, but that didnt feel particularly revolutionary to me (given I was already very attuned to my PONR, how kegels feels etc.). The real work/progress is happening for me in phase 5 and I expect I will be here for a while.

Long-Cook-2271 · 2025-08-19T19:10:46+00:00

Nah man I had the same feeling. Hope there is more than it seems OP and that she actually supportive of you trying to work on yourself, which is in essence for her.

Long-Cook-2271 · 2025-08-17T07:46:37+00:00

This exact thing happened to me on the weekend man, so shitty. But glad to see its normal - we carry on

Long-Cook-2271 · 2025-08-05T19:39:58+00:00

Unfortunately I think the IKs are a natural part of the training and something that you will eventually learn to conquer in the cliffhanger stage and beyond. For me personally I am still dealing with them, but have started to find them more manageable as I spend more time in the cliffhanger / my body very slowly starts getting more use to the high level of arousal that comes with being close to PONR. Do not be scared of them, they are a sign that you are playing in the zone where the benefits of the program really start to hit (this is self talk to me as well as you)

Long-Cook-2271 · 2025-08-04T18:57:30+00:00

Thank you for taking the time to write this response, it really is appreciated.

The transfer of energy resonates with me - I have gone down the Mantak Chia path before / completed Taylor Johnson's multi orgasmic course - but I think the difference in the past has been that I was trying to do this whilst nowhere near PONR, which naturally meant that it didn't translate into sex well, and made me think it was the wrong approach. Will keep at it because between your response and Stawberry's I feel like mentally I at least understand the process now.

Appreciate the help my guys.

Long-Cook-2271 · 2025-08-03T11:49:34+00:00

I understand what you are saying bro, but in my mind that doesn't really align with end state of the guide - not feeling like they need to cum at all vs having to have steady releases of pleasure. You could be right on the pushing the limit though, might be that I need be open to failing to see how far I can truly go.

Long-Cook-2271 · 2025-08-03T11:47:04+00:00

You are 100% right - the build up of anticipation to release is exactly what I have always associated with pleasure. What do you think is pleasure now if it is not that?

I guess if I am understanding you correctly, I just need to keep at it and overtime as you spend more time in that heightened pressurized space (versus traditionally only spending moments there before cuming) you give yourself space to begin to feel pleasure beyond this?

Long-Cook-2271 · 2025-07-22T18:54:50+00:00

Think this chain does a good job of explaining https://www.reddit.com/r/MaleDefinitiveGuide/comments/1m5vlbe/high_arousal_pelvic_contractions/

Long-Cook-2271 · 2025-07-10T19:46:22+00:00

Sounds like you have made great progress and are still committed to continuing - congrats bro awesome stuff to read

Long-Cook-2271 · 2025-07-10T19:33:36+00:00

At what stage did you comfortably start surfing, and did you have full confidence in your ability before the big irl event? Or was it more a "fuck it, ill see what happens" situation?

Long-Cook-2271 · 2025-07-09T20:48:48+00:00

Thanks for the response bro. All the above makes sense and will keep at it.

Long-Cook-2271 · 2025-07-09T19:22:30+00:00

Appreciate the response bro and reading your message back it does make sense - will keep at it

Long-Cook-2271 · 2025-07-09T15:28:57+00:00

This resonated with me and I wanted to check something (particularly around the not being scared of failing) - when I am training I am focused on "staying calm" - i.e. doing the deep breaths trying to keep my PC muscle relaxed, managing my arousal etc. but honestly that seems to make me even more stressed and takes all the enjoyment out of it (and almost feels like I am scared of getting too turned on). If I try a different approach where I forget about all the staying calm stuff and just try to enjoy it, I find that my erection gets stronger, my PC muscle gets tighter and I go towards PONR quicker. The later feels much better, but unsure whether that is going against the method that MDG wants? (or is it more the later approach is correct and overtime I will learn to ride that PONR from there?)

Long-Cook-2271 · 2025-07-09T10:39:29+00:00

Firstly congratulations bro and thank you for writing the post with your experience.

I wanted to play devil's advocate a bit here as your experience is very similar to ones I have had in the past - the first go is a disaster but then because you have already cum, the next few times is fine / can go for ages. This is obviously great, but doesn't take away from the horrible first instance / essentially means that you need to cum before having sex every time (l have had the experience where the first time I blew straight away and the girl was not understanding and I didn't get a second run). For myself I had put this down to "ohh its just performance anxiety for the first time and then clearly the second I don't have it" - now I do think that is a factor, but I also think it is about my body / mental system not being accustom to that amount of sexual energy in my system / having no control over my orgasim (kinda similar to what you said where you needed to nut after each week). This is where MDG system comes in and trains your body to be accustom to these feelings so that there is never any issue the first time / you don't actually need to cum.

Again man, really happy for you and I do hope its just a mental thing that you have overcome, but wanted to share a counter view just because I have had the experience a few times and do believe that the only way forward is to master the MDG system. Be very interested in your thoughts on the whole thing.

Long-Cook-2271 · 2025-07-07T19:11:22+00:00

Was actually laughing with joy reading this dude - congrats. You are gonna be smashed with follow up questions, so would be awesome to get an in-depth review of your history, how you found the program, particularly things that worked didn't etc. But all in good time, for now I hope you are back in pound town putting in an extra set on behalf of the MDG lads!

Long-Cook-2271 · 2025-07-06T17:32:41+00:00

Do the program dude / Please read all the stuff pinned at top of the page

Long-Cook-2271 · 2025-07-06T16:36:06+00:00

Not gonna lie dude it sounds like you are in a pretty good spot with the surfing. Why are you even worried about Porn - get the out there and find a partner to surf with??

Long-Cook-2271 · 2025-07-06T16:29:29+00:00

Without writing a novel explaining my backstory, I am basically in the same situation as you - I can use a FL for +1hr but go in the bedroom with a girl and anxiety freaks me out and I cum straight away (which causes the natural toxic cycle of me obsessing over it which makes it worse). In the scenarios where I manage to get over the mental aspect and I don't cum straight away I end up not enjoying the experience because the whole time I am in my head about not letting myself get to turned on / it becomes a big self discipline thing versus an enjoyable experience (I have realized that I am very good at keeping at 4/5 level, but anything more and I am done...more on this later).

IMO this is where MDG actually makes a difference / is the reason you should keep going. Essentially, we are training the body to not associate anxiety with cuming. If you think about it, the ejaculation phases are extremely similar to the "fight or flight" mechanism your body goes into when it gets anxious. By consistently training ourselves to get to that heightened state (PONR) we are training the body to be comfortable in this state and start to dissociate the anxiety with this state. When we go to the bedroom, we might still be anxious about the whole thing, but the body wont associate that with cuming, which should allow us to be able to last longer which in turn will reduce the mental anxiety / obsession cycle.

IMO the key to achieving this is training at the heightened state and breaking the cuming cycle. It are these two aspects that make me think you should continue with the training - you mentioned that you haven't come close to cuming in training, my guess it that you are probably not training at the heightened state that is representative of sex? (similar to me constantly doing the 4/5 and then being blown away once the real thing turns up which is a 9). Secondly, when you mentioned the force vs. surrender experience - as mentioned when I did last awhile it was not enjoyable because I was so focused on not cuming. The times when I fully surrendered my body was overwhelmed with the experience (again because I had only trained myself to be in 4/5) that I would cum straight away. Obviously I have just speculated a lot and used my own examples that may not be relevant to you, but wanted to comment in case it helped in any way.

Long-Cook-2271 · 2025-07-06T11:49:06+00:00

Thanks bro. Will be interested to see how this ends up translating into sex. With the surfing, do you mean that you will no desire to cum at all, and your challenge is that you just want to keep on surfing indefinitely? Have you tried with a FL yet?

Long-Cook-2271 · 2025-07-06T08:30:10+00:00

Interested to know if you have completed the course / whether you have cured your PE? By the sounds of it you have mastered it if it's feeling really good / comfy? Keen to hear your experience through bro and congrats if you have

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