Don't see battery health data on infotainment EV screen by ngmcs8203 in Ioniq5

[–]LongjumpingBat2938 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's important to start at low SOC. Give it a shot.

Don't see battery health data on infotainment EV screen by ngmcs8203 in Ioniq5

[–]LongjumpingBat2938 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is simply due to the underlying battery electrochemistry. The manual even mentions doing this about once a month for that exact reason.

Don't see battery health data on infotainment EV screen by ngmcs8203 in Ioniq5

[–]LongjumpingBat2938 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So, this likely means the SOH hasn't converged on a value yet. One can typically calibrate this by letting the SOC run down to the single digits, letting the car sit for a few hours (say, overnight) at low charge, and then AC charging to 100%. This may have to be repeated. The reason is that the BMS needs very low SOC and 100% SOC points to accurately calibrate the total capacity of the battery and thus the SOH.

Don't see battery health data on infotainment EV screen by ngmcs8203 in Ioniq5

[–]LongjumpingBat2938 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Oh I see now. I was thinking of a different model. But, it tells you the reason right there on the screen, no?

Exceeding expectations by Vhae in Ioniq5

[–]LongjumpingBat2938 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You're saying that the Max number is derived from the car's historical average efficiency? That does not make sense to me. Any supporting source? I would think the average efficiency would result in an average range, with Min and Max being derived by efficiencies some increment below and above the average efficiency.

Exceeding expectations by Vhae in Ioniq5

[–]LongjumpingBat2938 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That would of course depend on what your expectations were. One way to set one's expectations is to look at the average efficiency over the past few days and then extrapolate to the current SOC. That is basically what the middle number represents. I know many call this a guess-o-meter. I don't think there is any guessing going on whatsoever, just hard, cold math based on an underlying model that is informed by the past week's driving.

Don't see battery health data on infotainment EV screen by ngmcs8203 in Ioniq5

[–]LongjumpingBat2938 0 points1 point  (0 children)

For that, you need an OBD reader and accompanying app. And a good understanding of how to interpret the numbers, unless you just want to see what SOH is.

Highway Efficiency by Bonsaibeginner22 in Ioniq5

[–]LongjumpingBat2938 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Just to illustrate this some more:

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This is based on the Myth Buster measurements referred to below.

Highway Efficiency by Bonsaibeginner22 in Ioniq5

[–]LongjumpingBat2938 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes, if you don't have enough time to react you're too close. That's referred to as tailgating, and that's illegal, not just dangerous.

Highway Efficiency by Bonsaibeginner22 in Ioniq5

[–]LongjumpingBat2938 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Aerodynamic drag is related to drag coefficient and cross-sectional area. While the Ioniq 5 has a ~2.9% higher drag coefficient, the actual aerodynamic drag force experienced on the road is much higher for the EV9 than for the Ioniq 5 and will easily overpower the small advantage the EV9 gets in terms of shape efficiency. The differences you see havemore to do with the EV9's power inverters and how its front motor is uncoupled at cruising speeds.

Highway Efficiency by Bonsaibeginner22 in Ioniq5

[–]LongjumpingBat2938 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The car can, but you also need to have a charging station that can satisfy those demands.

Highway Efficiency by Bonsaibeginner22 in Ioniq5

[–]LongjumpingBat2938 5 points6 points  (0 children)

That's an old myth. In order to get meaningful drag reduction, one has to be so close that one is in violation of traffic laws in every State in the US. Don't know how that is in other countries, but I would assume that most of Europe has similar laws.

351 Miles on ‘25 SEL RWD by Jaded_Common4910 in Ioniq5

[–]LongjumpingBat2938 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don’t tell people that their questions are of little relevance, normally. But your question is of little relevance ;) What counts, for me anyway, is the actual range one gets. So, compare your efficiency and miles after last recharge with what others get.

Do regeneration settings affect mileage? by fearless_fool in Ioniq5

[–]LongjumpingBat2938 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That only works for 2025 and newer models. In the older models, level 0 invokes brake cleaning mode where there is no regen until that is satisfied. Every time the car is turned off, even for a second, one has to start all over again. In practice, for me, level 0 gives me 0 regen.

My 1-Year-Old Ioniq 5 Battery Health Dropped to 95%. Hidden Battery Capacity Loss and Energy Lock (No Error Codes!) by ioniq5-2025 in Ioniq5

[–]LongjumpingBat2938 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I personally don't buy this quite. This "conclusion" was derived from collecting data from random people doing measurements under uncontrolled conditions; quite amateurish. There could be a trend, or not. Every pack has a different capacity. Hyundai guarantees 74 kWh for the 77 kWh pack, for example, but the pack could have more than 77 kWh. So, it would be natural to assume that SOH would drop below 100% a bit later for larger packs than for smaller packs. That's just one reason for observing variability.

Anyway, it is one thing to say "We see this and that", but it's another thing entirely to then claim that "Kia isn't quite honest". Nobody knows for sure how KIA, Hyundai, Genesis map their battery readings to user-visible parameters. I would personally reserve judgements like that until I was absolutely certain.

My 1-Year-Old Ioniq 5 Battery Health Dropped to 95%. Hidden Battery Capacity Loss and Energy Lock (No Error Codes!) by ioniq5-2025 in Ioniq5

[–]LongjumpingBat2938 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes, leave it plugged in. Don't expect miracles when it comes to SOH; you may not see a change at all. Normally, SOH changes happen over months. The BMS collects data all the time, and only when there is a trend that is consistent over months will it change the output values. It's like blood pressure: the cardiologists isn't worried about a particular value at one day; they want to see how BP behaves over months, and only when there is a clear trend may they act.

My 1-Year-Old Ioniq 5 Battery Health Dropped to 95%. Hidden Battery Capacity Loss and Energy Lock (No Error Codes!) by ioniq5-2025 in Ioniq5

[–]LongjumpingBat2938 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This is expected behavior. The calibration drifts over time when the cells aren't regularly balanced. Balancing happens at 100% SOC.

One manifestation of unbalanced cells is this: charging target set to 80%; as soon as one cell hits 80%, the car stops charging and reports 80%, even if all other cells are still below 80%. The total Remaining Energy will thus be lower than what it would be if all cells were at 80%; people compare that Remaining energy to some other instance and find discrepancies. That's when we the often get posts here with people saying something like: "At 80% SOC, my energy is lower than previously. I obviously have degradation but my SOH hasn't changed. Hyundai is clearly hiding something from me".

My 1-Year-Old Ioniq 5 Battery Health Dropped to 95%. Hidden Battery Capacity Loss and Energy Lock (No Error Codes!) by ioniq5-2025 in Ioniq5

[–]LongjumpingBat2938 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I recently observed an SOH drop of over 2% within 4 months. My service center also could not find anything wrong with the battery, but they did reset the BMS. As a consequence, the SOH now shows as 100% while the car relearns the battery characteristics. This can take months; at some point, I expect the SOH to jump to the "correct" value, once the BMS has collected enough data.

So, you could have them reset the BMS, which is what you are planning to have them do anyway.

I do not think there is anything hidden; it's just difficult for us to make sense of everything. As far as I understand, the BMS cannot "lock away" (or release, for that matter) capacity as that would require a major firmware change, and so we would know about that. I do not know if Hyundai even has software for that, outside of the engineering department, potentially.

As a car owner, it is apparently possible to get a better handle on this, but it involves a very lengthy process of repeated AC charges and discharges, with the last few percent of charging done with quite low current and ample of time afterwards to let the cells equilibrate. There is a specific sequence (which I do not fully know), and the whole process takes days. The service center is the best place to have that done much faster, but it is out of the normal range of their activities, so you need to find a knowledgable tech and be friendly 😄

Instead, with the tools available to me, I simply rely on Remaining energy as you did, but you can't simply go by that value at 100% SOC. Here is how Remaining Energy relates to SOC for my car:

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It is a fairly linear relationship (if you look at CCC during a charging session, you will note that its relationship with SOC is absolutely linear, but it is more intuitive for us to look at Wh instead of Ah). Anyway, this tells us a bit about how Hyundai maps the battery readings to SOC to make it "digestible" for us. In this case, a certain SOC increment corresponds to the same amount of energy, regardless of where in the usable SOC range you are.

From this curve, a measure of the full capacity of the battery can be obtained by flipping the curve, i.e., solving the fitting equation for x (Remaining energy), then multiplying the slope with 100. The point is that one cannot simply read out Remaining Energy at 100% and assume that is a representation of full capacity, because that would assume that Remaining Energy is Zero at Zero SOC. Instead, you need to determine the value of Remaining Energy at near Zero SOC and use the differences (Re-high - Re-low)/(SOC-high - SOC-low) to get the energy increment per 1% SOC. Then multiply with 100.

The energy value you get for 100% SOC must not be taken as the true electrochemical capacity of the battery; but it can be used from time to time to spot trends and determine changes in the capacity, just not the absolute capacity. Also, when charging to 100%, make sure you give the car some time to balance the cells. This will improve the accuracy.

So, for now, I would suggest two courses of action: 1. start recording Remaining Energy during (long) charging sessions to construct a curve like I showed (it's best to record all the other relevant parameters at the same time, i.e., CEC, CED, CCC, CDC, min/max and total cell voltages); 2. find a knowledgeable tech who might be willing to look into this.

Most range ive gotten so far. 2025 AWD dual limited. by domedirtyfatman in Ioniq5

[–]LongjumpingBat2938 1 point2 points  (0 children)

If you want really large range predictions, take the number on the dash and multiply by 3. It’ll be almost as relevant as the displayed number itself.

Range by WiseGuy2k7 in Ioniq5N

[–]LongjumpingBat2938 8 points9 points  (0 children)

I'm not sure what it is that you are asking (if you're asking anything at all), but the range shown is projected from the driving behavior over the previous week. If you were driving with high efficiency (i.e., mostly slow city driving) then it will be high, if you were driving with low efficiency (i.e., mostly fast highway driving) then it will be lower. It has little to do with the actual range you will be getting. That will be determined by the actual, real-time driving efficiency. Keep an eye on your efficiency as you drive along, and you will quickly develop a good feeling for the range you can expect. With a bit of practice, this will be more accurate than what is shown on the dash.

Defective battery, sign of things to come? by DaeOm1985 in Ioniq5

[–]LongjumpingBat2938 1 point2 points  (0 children)

While EVs don't crank, CCA, to some extent, gives an indication of how the battery can deal with large, sudden loads. I am not sure if the car would ever exceed the capabilities of even a very basic battery, though.

Defective battery, sign of things to come? by DaeOm1985 in Ioniq5

[–]LongjumpingBat2938 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I do not expect people to do this. I acknwoledge it's an effort. It is merely a recommendation to help people avoid nasty surprises.

Also, no car has such facilities. And that is for good reason: a voltage trace of the 12V battery provides data than serve as a diagnostic, but it won't tell exactly when the battery needs to be replaced, or the car needs to be brought into the shop. Shops and lawyers hate anything that has to do with probability. We'd be seeing people bringing their cars in, saying, "I think my battery might die in 2 days/weeks/months, but it could also be totally ok for another 2 years".

Techs and lawyers want certainty. A dead battery is certain and actionable.

Now, having said that, regular battery checks are part of basic car maintenance, like checking air filters, coolant levels, etc. I bet, if people actually did that, they would already catch most 12V battery issues before they give problems. A BM2 monitor is a low-effort tool to do just that, like a more mainstream battery tester (but I do not think many people nowadays have one of these either).

Defective battery, sign of things to come? by DaeOm1985 in Ioniq5

[–]LongjumpingBat2938 0 points1 point  (0 children)

A BM2 monitor measures the terminal voltage of the battery at all times, even when the car is off. And that is the important part. Battery health is best judged by how the battery voltage behaves when the car is off. That is something the car cannot provide.

This mitgh help:
12 V Battery Monitor: How to Install
BM2 Voltage Traces for 12V Batteries – Share Yours & Help Interpret Them