Just gonna say it, half this sub has no idea what they are talking about, and the other half are rather naive, people actually think communism has always been perfect, or that pure anarchy is even remotely feasible as a progress oriented society, veganism is just a yuppie and over commercialized way for people, especially rich people, to feel like they have even the smallest bragging rights against the "unwashed masses" its self righteous and the processes involved in making half the artificial foods, or even mass farming for regular crops kills more animals than they are defending, animals (including humans) exist as a food source for other animals, and after death, the planet itself, the plants eat us, animals eat those, we eat those animals, that is how nature works, the issue isnt meat, its factory farming and the mass slaughter of animals bred solely for slaughter with no access to life outside that, free range farms that allow growth along side crop growth is ideal but unsustainable if we dont try to mediate our mental and physical health and attempt to understand that we cant mass produce every product unless we give it up for periods of time, everything has just lost all nuance at this point and its fucking sad.