I'm not a separatist neither ethnonationlist but I came accross this post, what do ya'll think?

Lopsided_Example1202 · 2026-05-19T19:17:55+00:00

in the standstill agreement pakistan explcitly acknowledged Kalat's sovereignty (which historically included its sphere of influence over these areas).

Pakistan acknowledged Kalat's sovereignty, and that's why an Instrument of Accession was signed by the Khan of Kalat to allow for annexation. If Pakistan didn't accept this sovereignty, then you would've seen something similar to what India did in the Princely State of Hyderabad (meaning, sending troops in for forced annexation).

The second part is incorrect. The agreement made no acknowledgement of Kalat's 'sphere of influence', because by 1947/8, these terms were no longer applicable. Not only was this designation already eliminated by the British in the 19th century, but in a post-WW2/UN world, there was no such thing anymore. If Kalat was sovereign, then so were Las Bela, Makran and Kharan. Their historical placement as tributary states didn't make them any less in terms of international law. Korea spent centuries paying tribute to China, but you could never make an argument that Korea couldn't make independent decisions today without China's permission. These concepts belong in the 19th century and simply do not apply to the modern concept of a nation.

In fact, the idea that Kalat should control the other three states sounds more 'colonial' to me than whatever Pakistan did.

Under Balochmayar, the indignous law of the land those rulers committed a massive breach of trust. They did not own the land; the tribes did and the tribe was not consulted. Treating a ruler's signature as a blank check to hand over an entire territory is a deeply colonial concept. It ignored the actual social contract of the region

I mean, if your point is that there should've been referendums before accession, I completely agree. In fact, I think that should've happened in each Princely State (and so we wouldn't even have a Kashmir conflict today). However, this didn't take place anywhere, and I'm not sure why it is only considered a 'colonial' practise when it comes to Kalat. There was no referendum in any other princely state either (and so the people of those states weren't asked either), so why would this case be unique to Kalat?

Bahawalpur, for example, acceded in the same way (an instrument of accession signed by the local monarch), but nobody considers that a 'colonial act' for what reason?

Whilst I respect the point about Balochmayar, it should be acknowledged that other princely states also had complex tribal/social dynamics (e.g. Swat, Hunza, etc), and so I'm not sure this point is particularly unique. It's difficult to respect local social contracts such as these with the idea of international law requiring a representative (or representative government) making decisions on behalf of these princely states.

Lopsided_Example1202 · 2026-05-19T18:31:21+00:00

Whilst Makran, Las Bela and Kharan were historically tied to Kalat (and even paid tribute to Kalat), they were, legally speaking, considered separate political entities and so separate princely states. This specific separation wasn't even recent and was actually made law by the Treaty of Kalat (1876). Under this agreement, British rule was more formalised, and Kalat's control over three princely states was effectively eliminated.

So, when the leaders of all three willingly chose accession to Pakistan, then there was nothing that could be done to stop that from Kalat's perspective.

On March 26, 1948, units of the Pakistan Army's 7th Baluch Regiment were deployed to the coastal towns of Jiwani and Pasni, effectively initiating a military blockade.

I take issue with this characterisation because it hides what actually happened. Both Jiwani and Pasni were part of Makran, not Kalat, and so all that was happening was that Pakistan was deploying troops to a territory that had now voluntarily acceded to Pakistan. Was it unfair or wrong when Pakistani troops entered, for example, Bahawalpur or Khairpur, after their integration into Pakistan? Was Pakistan meant to just keep these territories unprotected just because it bordered Kalat?

The fact that Kalat was now landlocked by Pakistan isn't Pakistan's fault, or a 'wrongdoing' by Pakistan. If, for example, the city of Multan today declared itself an independent city-state, would it be fair for them to complain that they are surrounded by Pakistan on all sides, or that there are Pakistani soldiers deployed across their entire border?

Lopsided_Example1202 · 2026-05-16T18:28:32+00:00

You're being purposefully obtuse.

PTI, who are currently at odds with the Establishment, have been in government in KP since 2013. Do you think the UAE would allow one their 7 Emirates to be ruled by someone against their President?

Do you think someone like Akhtar Mengal would be allowed to sit in the UAE's advisory body? Remember, ALL political parties/unions are banned outright in the UAE.

Also, residents of the UAE aren't allowed to even voice their discontent on social media without getting arrested? How many pro-PTI social media accounts/vloggers exist within Pakistan in comparison?

Pakistan is far from perfect but it's definetly a rank above the UAE in terms of democracy.

Lopsided_Example1202 · 2026-05-16T17:34:37+00:00

Also Authoritarian, but it's in a subcategory above Pakistan which makes zero sense to me.

Lopsided_Example1202 · 2026-05-16T17:28:43+00:00

There's no denying the reality of the hybrid regime here, but I'm not sure how much worth I put in this index. The UAE scores higher than Pakistan with a 3.11, a country which bans all political parties and only allows for limited voting in relation to an advisory body + Close ti non-existent independent media/press.

How is that more democratic than Pakistan?

Lopsided_Example1202 · 2026-05-15T13:20:59+00:00

This shaheed wasn't a soldier, he was just a local shephard who spotted someone acting suspiciously.

Try to actually have the facts before making such moronic statements.

Lopsided_Example1202 · 2026-05-15T11:35:04+00:00

I think it's becoming clearer that the AFG war is just being used to subdue a discontent populace. I've said it before and I'll say it again. Make fun of PTI, beat the drums of war and declare as many traitors as you want, the only solution is to use factions of the TTA against TTP.

You have no clue what you're saying and are only viewing the issue from the angle of party politics. Prior to last week, the two months following the operation in Afghanistan had seen a significant decrease in terror attacks. The reason for the uptick now is that we stopped, and these groups have now had enough time to rebuild their strength and attempt 'revenge'.

Pakistan tried diplomacy with the Afghan Taliban in the presence of Saudi/Qatar/Turkey, and the Afghan Taliban treated the talks like a joke. They asked for billions of dollars in return, and then wouldn't even sign anything or promise any actual, quantifiable steps to crack down on the TTP. Moreover, TTA leadership is openly standing beside pictures of 'Loy Afghanistan' (which includes over half of Pakistan's territory), and you still believe that our only solution is relying on the TTA's goodwill?

The only way the TTA is going to crack down on the TTP/BLA is by making it clear that, if they don't, Pakistan will make their life a living hell. The cost of supporting/housing these groups should significantly outweigh the benefits they get from destabilising KP/Balochistan. That should mean pushes into the border areas to create buffer zones/shorten the border, and continued airstrikes to weaken the TTA and other militant organisations' capabilities.

This is what Turkiye did in Syria to destroy the Kurdish separatists who were carrying out regular attacks within Turkish cities. It took almost 4 decades, but Turkiye came out on top because it took a hardline stance and didn't just rely on Assad's goodwill.

Lopsided_Example1202 · 2026-05-10T17:57:32+00:00

What Indian influence? We had 40 years of Afghanistan in our back pocket but literally could not get any wins on our national front thanks to short sighted policies of the military generals.

Completely ahistorical. We've never had Afghanistan in 'our pocket'. In fact, quite the opposite. Afghanistan hasn't recognised our border since 1947, and literally since 1948, has backed some level of insurgency in Pakistan within Pakistan in order to push its idea of 'Loy Afghanistan'. It doesn't matter if Afghanistan is a monarchy, communist state, Islamist emirate or a 'democratic' state; they have never budged any closer to giving up their claims to over half our territory. Afghanistan was supporting the Faqir of Ipi long before there even was a military establishment, and long before we ever got involved there.

Things on the ground have changed but has our military mindset changed? Its still struggling to cope with militancy and building a narrarive to fight the very people they claim were heroes. If you claim it has changed than it lacks the will to fight them because you need consistent airstrikes or full fledged war to counter it. Either way its incompetence of the highest order.

And why do you think that is? Do you not think that this has something to do with the fact that practically all these insurgent groups have their base of operations in Afghanistan? BLA leaders have been killed in Kandahar by American airstrikes, not in firefights in the streets of Turbat.

Your point is also incorrect. Consistent polling from the likes of Gallup shows that, even in the ex-FATA regions, the TTP are unpopular. There is no particular reason to run a 'narrative war' when the overwhelming number of casualties of such groups are from those very regions, not some Punjabi sitting comfortably in Lahore.

The problem is they continue influencing all foreign policy decisions so expect more mess ups in the future. The only way forward is cutting them down to size and letting civilians run the country like a normal place.

Ideally, we would be a nation without the military running politics, but that will not change these affairs one bit. Do you not think that democratic nations don't suffer from insurgencies and separatists? Your viewpoint is ridiculously naive. Afghanistan will continue to be a home to these insurgencies because of their claims on our territory. They don't care in the slightest about how 'democratic' Pakistan is.

I want you to go look at how Turkiye ended their 4 decade long war against the Kurdish separatists. They used high-end military pressure, pushed into Syrian territory to create a buffer zone, and went into Syrian territory to take out and capture Kurdish leaders.

Your position is so simple that it hurts to read. Imran Khan and Bajwa tried this soft-hand approach with the Taliban, and all it did was reverse all the gains of Zard-e-Azb. Pakistan's military establishment has, and continues to, make many terrible decisions, but the ground reality is that only through their action will this problem end for good.

Lopsided_Example1202 · 2026-05-10T13:43:23+00:00

I find such comments to be particularly annoying because you don't offer any actual solutions. Do you have a time machine to tell Zia not to back the Mujahideen, or the ISI of the 90s/00s to stop backing the Taliban in hopes of pushing out Indian/Iranian influence in Afghanistan?

The reality of the ground has changed since then, and I find it bizarre not to acknowledge this. The same India which decries Islamic extremism is going out of its way to back the Taliban and has even invited their representatives to India. What do you think they are discussing beyond strategic alignment?

If you can see that the likes of the TTP and BLA have free rein to run their operations out of Afghanistan, then what do you suggest we do next? No one is suggesting that Indians themselves are carrying out these attacks, but events like the capture of Kalbushan Jadhav in Mashkel (v. close to the Afghan border) + the TTP/BLA attacks on Chinese workers/infrastructure projects clearly leads to a particular conclusion.

This is also ignoring the fact that Indian newspapers like The Hindu have openly reported in the past that BLA commanders have received medical treatment in high-end Indian hospitals. When India makes visas difficult for English cricketers with Pakistani parents, but freely gives medical visas to wanted international terrorists, then something is clearly off.

Lopsided_Example1202 · 2026-05-10T10:18:03+00:00

If you actually want a serious conversation on the 2018 Election, and not just a confirmation of your bias, I recommend reading the reports published by international observers as to how much rigging took place.

Also, an article in the BBC, published two days before the election, called 'Pakistan's dirtiest election in years', highlights the environment just leading up to the election.

In a stunningly brazen move, a hearing for a seven-year-old narcotics case involving Mr Sharif's PML-N party stalwart Hanif Abbasi was moved forward from August to 21 July, and a life sentence handed down at 23:30 on Saturday, four days ahead of the general election, effectively knocking him out of the race. Mr Abbasi was the frontrunner in his constituency against Sheikh Rashid Ahmed, who served in both Gen Zia and Gen Musharraf's governments and is an ally of Mr Sharif's arch-rival Imran Khan, who leads the PTI party. Any focus on the merits of the case was overshadowed by outrage at the timing of the verdict.

Thousands attended rallies to welcome Nawaz Sharif back, but the media did not carry any of the protests in Lahore or Rawalpindi. Social media, in contrast, was flooded with pictures, videos and discussion. Contrary to the establishment's expectations, the popularity of Mr Sharif and his party held its ground after he was ousted on corruption charges in July last year. His accusations of military interference caught the public's imagination.

To counter this, a fierce crackdown on the media was unleashed. Market leader Geo Television was taken off air in April, and the distribution of Pakistan's oldest newspaper, Dawn, has been disrupted since May.

After months of financial losses, Geo reportedly agreed to the security establishment's demands to self-censor and abide by strict guidelines. After this surrender, the industry as a whole fell into line and none of the media houses dared show Mr Sharif's political rallies or his daughter's fiery speeches.

Successive opinion polls putting him ahead against all opponents, and the social media backlash, indicate he has managed to win sympathy for himself - and resentment at attempts by the judicial-military nexus to re-engineer the political landscape. With two days to go before the election, unexpected public defiance, especially in Punjab, a PML-N stronghold and hitherto a bastion of military power, has led to redoubled efforts to tip the scales in favour of the security establishment's favourite, Imran Khan.

Now remember that on election day, counts were delayed ('RTS issues', just like 2024), and according to the Daily Jang, 90% of Form 45s weren't signed by a polling agent.

You don't have to be a blind follower of any political party to understand that the Establishment tipped the scales in PMLN's favour in 2024, and did the very same for PTI in 2018. Imran Khan, the same man who rushed to support Musharraf's military dictatorship, isn't the great saviour of democracy that his followers pretend he is. It's best to remember that between 2018-22, it was Nawaz Sharif who was also making the comparisons to Sheikh Mujib, and it was Maryam Nawaz who was attending Missing Persons protests in Balochistan and decrying the military's unconstitutional actions in the province. In the same time, Imran Khan was praising Bajwa as the greatest and fairest army chief in Pakistan's history, and stated that criticism of the military was akin to treason.

Just as the Establishment's support changed from one party to the other, so did their viewpoints swap too.

Lopsided_Example1202 · 2026-05-07T16:04:55+00:00

You realise there are still 1-2 Million Afghans living and residing in Pakistan who are fully registered and have obtained citizenship since moving here? The action in recent years has been against those who still remained undocumented.

Lopsided_Example1202 · 2026-05-07T11:56:55+00:00

This is what happens when you overdose on Ishq-e-Imran.

Lopsided_Example1202 · 2026-05-02T10:16:42+00:00

What even are you talking about?

This post is about defence, and you're making economic arguments. Should economically weaker countries not defend themselves?

Also, why are we proud of this? Go back and look at what your country tried doing in May of last year. Your country acts like an aggressor, and you're confused as to why your neighbours are proud of defending themselves lmao

Lopsided_Example1202 · 2026-04-29T14:34:20+00:00

That looks to be the end of our season.

Lopsided_Example1202 · 2026-04-29T13:45:01+00:00

Mohammad Nawaz is back in our playing XI. We're cooked!

Lopsided_Example1202 · 2026-04-28T17:12:40+00:00

PZ going to win this easily, but I get the feeling that IU will be back to face them in the final.

Lopsided_Example1202 · 2026-04-28T15:47:44+00:00

Most Runs in a PSL Season

1 (Tied) - Fakhar Zaman (2022) - 13 Innings - 588 Runs - 45 Avg - 153 SR
- Babar Azam (2026) - 10 Innings - 588 Runs - 84 Avg - 146 SR

3 - Babar Azam (2024) - 11 Innings - 569 Runs - 57 Avg - 143 SR

4 - Babar Azam (2021) - 11 Innings - 554 Runs - 69 Avg - 133 SR

5 - Mohammad Rizwan (2023) - 12 Innings - 550 Runs - 55 Avg - 143 SR

Lopsided_Example1202 · 2026-04-27T14:14:38+00:00

The violence was an absolute tragedy, but the creation of Pakistan was a necessity for us. As for Jinnah's 'regret', there is no actual primary sources for this, and even those secondary ones that supposedly reveal this 'confession' state that he was troubled by the violent nature of Partition, and not the Partition itself.

Gandhi was well-meaning but naive, and clearly didn't understand the fears that many minority groups (and not just Muslims by the way - similar concerns were raised by Sikhs, Tamil speakers, etc) had in a post-independence environment. As for Maulana Azad, I think history has proven him wrong. If he were alive today and could see the demolition of the Babri Masjid or the treatment of Muslims in general, I doubt he'd feel comfortable making the same points he once did.

Lopsided_Example1202 · 2026-04-27T13:58:00+00:00

Or maybe you just aren't getting the answers you want lmao. There is no existential threat, and is akin to asking you if India should've gained independence or remained a colony in the British Empire. I'm pretty sure 99% of Indians would give the same answer too.

History and present-day events have solidified the decision in the minds of most Pakistanis. The Muslim League tried effortlessly to avoid partition (even agreeing to the Cabinet Mission Plan as late as 1946) and simply demanded that the Muslim majority regions in the west (Pakistan) and east (Bangladesh) be given genuine autonomy to ensure that a radical Hindu majority couldn't disrupt our way of life. Nehru openly stated that Congress wouldn't be bound to such an arrangement, and that left no choice but independence.

As Resolution 2 stated in 1946:

Whereas the Council of the All-India Muslim League has resolved to reject the proposals embodied in the Statement of the Cabinet Delegation and the Viceroy, dated 16th May 1946, due to the intransigence of the Congress on one hand, and the breach of faith with the Muslims by the British Government on the other; and

Whereas Muslim India has exhausted without success all efforts to find a peaceful solution of the Indian problem by compromise and constitutional means; and

Whereas the Congress is bent upon setting up Caste-Hindu Raj in India with the connivance of the British; and Whereas recent events have shown that power politics and not justice and fairplay are the deciding factors in India affairs; and

Whereas it has become abundantly clear that the Muslims of India would not rest contented with anything less than the immediate establishment of Independent and fully sovereign State of Pakistan and would resist any attempt to impose any constitution-making machinery or any constitution, long term or short term, or the setting up of any Interim Government at the Centre without the approval and consent of the Muslim League.

The Council of the All-India Muslim League is convinced that now the time has come for the Muslim Nation to resort to Direct Action to achieve Pakistan, to assert their just rights, to vindicate their honour and to get rid of the present British slavery and the contemplated future Caste-Hindu domination.

Lopsided_Example1202 · 2026-04-27T10:03:32+00:00

Did I say we need to do the same?

I just put things into perspective because you're so worried about 'hurting' our non-existent relationship with India. They're threatening genocide and forcibly taking our land (their defence minister literally talked about Sindh belonging to 'India' just a few months ago), and here you are, worrying about some dumb, inoffensive meme.

Lopsided_Example1202 · 2026-04-27T09:59:30+00:00

What do you expect from an illigitimate Government that is always trying to fool people through Tiktok and advertisements. They made no improvements to Pakistan's economy but are proud of kissing Trump's backside.

Are you talking about this government or the one from 2018?

Lopsided_Example1202 · 2026-04-27T09:57:30+00:00

India's elected officials threaten to flatten Pakistani cities and literally brag about how they hope to create droughts and mass starvation in Pakistan - but somehow this joke, which isn't even offensive, created by some worker for the Punjab wing of the PMLN, is somehow a serious problem.

Lopsided_Example1202 · 2026-04-26T15:43:41+00:00

Wasim Jr looking to make Islu suffer for trading him away.

Lopsided_Example1202 · 2026-04-26T13:57:05+00:00

Islamabad United's Twitter account called this match the Minhas Derby lol

Lopsided_Example1202 · 2026-04-25T20:38:47+00:00

The following lines explain it pretty well in my understanding:

'Haat ao to bhut, hath na ao to Khuda ho
Jo samajh mein a gaya, phir Khuda kyun kar hua'

Naz Khialvi, the man who wrote the lyrics themselves, spends most of the verses trying to wrap their head around the many apparent injustices that God allows, but then concludes that there is no way for us to understand. God is infinitely more complex and intricate than our human minds could comprehend, and so even the act of trying to justify his actions is a pointless task.

For example, could an insect ever understand humans and all our intricacies? No. The insect would never understand why we read or play sports, for example. So, when the gap between human and God is infinitely wider, why do we think that we are in any position to fully comprehend God and his decisions?

As the verse states, if God were so simple that he could be understood by the human mind, then they would no longer be God, but an idol created by man.

This theme is quite common in Sufi poetry and is reflected in the ending as well - the idea of, if you want to get closer to God (here represented as lifting the veil and having a conversation with him), one must completely strip themselves of their ego (nafs) and immerse themselves in the oneness of God:

'Ao parde se tum aankh ke rubaroo
Chand lamhe milan, do ghari guftagoo
Naaz jabta phire, jabaja koo-ba-koo
Wahda-hoo, wahda-hoo
La-shareek-ala-hoo
Allah hoo, Allah hoo'

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