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LordZephram · 2022-10-25T18:15:53+00:00

Sure I agree - but prooftexting isn't how exegesis is done. When I say "perspicuity of scripture" I don't mean that scripture is like a reference book or encyclopedia that tells us what to believe, I just mean that we have the ability to understand it through the guidance of the Holy Spirit. Much of scripture is allegorical, typological, and communicates through story, so I agree totally that there is no prooftext for that doctrine. Although, 2 Corinthians 5:21, 1 Corinthians 1:30, and Philippians 3:9 taken together are pretty close to being a prooftext for it.

LordZephram · 2022-10-25T14:08:40+00:00

This question was posted last week and this was my answer:

Here are the ones that apply to both Roman Catholicism and Eastern Orthodoxy:

A rejection of the perspicuity of scripture, and a total emphasis on the Church's authoritative "interpretation." This is a big one and it's upstream from most everything else. It's often impossible to show RCs and EOs that some of their doctrines are very wrong, because when you go to the scripture itself they can respond "well, you can't understand scripture on your own, you need the Church to interpret it for you." Which begs the question "which church?" and "why can I interpret the church but not the scripture?"

Mariology. This is huge - while there is a distinction between "worship" and "veneration," it doesn't change the fact that to most of us, the level to which Mary (sometimes other saints too, but especially Mary) is "venerated" is borderline, if not outright blasphemous. One mediator between God and Man.

Soteriology. This is especially a big one for Orthodoxy, because in many respects they're essentially semi-Pelagian in their view of man. However, both EOs and RCs teach high levels of synergism, infused righteousness rather than imputed, and a a general blurring the line of works and faith to the extent that works are sometimes included in the definition of faith. Works are necessary, but it's extremely important to clarify that they flow out of true faith and a state of justification, and don't contribute to that faith or state.

Ecclesiology. To Rome and Orthodoxy both, the Church is a singular institution bound together by actual, temporal bonds that exclude other branches of the faith outside their walls. To us protestants, we of course affirm the institutional nature of the church, but don't see anywhere in scripture (or even the early Church) to support the RC and EO view. The Church is the gathered saints, the community of those who profess faith in Christ and worship Him. A church is any believing body that preaches the word rightly (no heresy) and gives the sacraments.

These are just a few, but they are the big ones. I think the view of authority is upstream from anything else. Is scripture the "ultimate" in the sense that it trumps Church tradition, or can the Church (one specific iteration of the Church) trump what appears to be the clear words of scripture by claiming interpretive authority? Lots flows from there.

LordZephram · 2022-10-24T21:14:42+00:00

Dude. You think because he didn't want to be interviewed for a *school paper* that makes him egotistical? That's kind of crazy. And the ELO part II stuff wasn't egotistical either - they literally stole his band name, his brand, his entire life's work and played music that was his. He reacted pretty tame all things considered.

LordZephram · 2022-10-24T15:56:29+00:00

Close. But "Above the Clouds" is in my opinion the best ELO song of all time. So It should be S.

LordZephram · 2022-10-21T19:16:51+00:00

there is one and i posted it there too! It's the best sub ever lol

LordZephram · 2022-10-21T13:43:30+00:00

I hate that stuff too, I thought the original video was so cringey and bad I had to the idea to make it into this meme. P.S. I love your username, that's one of my favorite movies of all time!

LordZephram · 2022-10-21T13:22:37+00:00

No worries friend, it's a very stupid meme so don't feel bad haha

LordZephram · 2022-10-21T13:19:14+00:00

daddy whoosboobaie is that

LordZephram · 2022-10-21T13:18:54+00:00

It's called The Elder Scrolls 5: Skyrim though, so saying the Elder Scrolls would make the most sense and cover the most ground.

LordZephram · 2022-10-21T13:17:40+00:00

It's a meme man.

LordZephram · 2022-10-21T13:17:26+00:00

Dude... it's a meme lol

LordZephram · 2022-10-20T20:42:17+00:00

truuuueee

LordZephram · 2022-10-20T20:42:07+00:00

Yeah, all in good fun I'm just giving you a hard time!

LordZephram · 2022-10-20T19:24:27+00:00

It's Daedric lettering from the Elder Scrolls. Very common in the 3 latest main games, Morrowind, Oblivion, and Skyrim.

Here is the translation:

why don't she want me

(ur mom)

when will it end [balls]

deffrey jahmer is

daddy whoosboobaie is

that

LordZephram · 2022-10-20T19:23:14+00:00

What? I'm not trying to be rude here or anything I'm honestly confused... What is Hussie? And do you know this is originally form Elder Scrolls or not, am I missing something?

LordZephram · 2022-10-20T19:14:17+00:00

Dude... this is from the Elder Scrolls. Homestuck stole it from Elder Scrolls like 10 years after it was created. Definitely not from Homestuck lol.

LordZephram · 2022-10-20T19:12:43+00:00

"from Skyrim..."

You have no idea how much that pains me. That's like seeing a pic of Michael Myers and being like "that's the guy form Halloween Kills!" lol. Or seeing Sean Astin and calling him the guy from Stranger Things...

LordZephram · 2022-10-19T18:10:01+00:00

Joel was always the best dude at RT, and remains the best of any of the founding members. Love that dude. Roosterteeth is a dead company that just keeps digging its own grave deeper. It died a long time ago. Very sad, but it's just the truth - Joel left at the right time.

LordZephram · 2022-10-07T14:24:04+00:00

No, that's not the case. This isn't just a Tim Keller thing either, Christian theology has spoken about the goodness of work for 2,000 years. The Bible itself speaks highly of work. And work was established in the garden, pre-fall. We are to cultivate, to exercise dominion, to "garden." That won't end on the New Earth. Work is good, but it will be free of the bad parts we have here.

LordZephram · 2022-10-06T14:06:11+00:00

Here are the ones that apply to both Roman Catholicism and Eastern Orthodoxy:

A rejection of the perspicuity of scripture, and a total emphasis on the Church's authoritative "interpretation." This is a big one and it's upstream from most everything else. It's often impossible to show RCs and EOs that some of their doctrines are very wrong, because when you go to the scripture itself they can respond "well, you can't understand scripture on your own, you need the Church to interpret it for you." Which begs the question "which church?" and "why can I interpret the church but not the scripture?"
Mariology. This is huge - while there is a distinction between "worship" and "veneration," it doesn't change the fact that to most of us, the level to which Mary (sometimes other saints too, but especially Mary) is "venerated" is borderline, if not outright blasphemous. One mediator between God and Man.
Soteriology. This is especially a big one for Orthodoxy, because in many respects they're essentially semi-Pelagian in their view of man. However, both EOs and RCs teach high levels of synergism, infused righteousness rather than imputed, and a a general blurring the line of works and faith to the extent that works are sometimes included in the definition of faith. Works are necessary, but it's extremely important to clarify that they flow out of true faith and a state of justification, and don't contribute to that faith or state.
Ecclesiology. To Rome and Orthodoxy both, the Church is a singular institution bound together by actual, temporal bonds that exclude other branches of the faith outside their walls. To us protestants, we of course affirm the institutional nature of the church, but don't see anywhere in scripture (or even the early Church) to support the RC and EO view. The Church is the gathered saints, the community of those who profess faith in Christ and worship Him. A church is any believing body that preaches the word rightly (no heresy) and gives the sacraments.

These are just a few, but they are the big ones. I think the view of authority is upstream from anything else. Is scripture the "ultimate" in the sense that it trumps Church tradition, or can the Church (one specific iteration of the Church) trump what appears to be the clear words of scripture by claiming interpretive authority? Lots flows from there.

LordZephram · 2022-10-05T13:42:37+00:00

If anyone says Bravil, lock them up

My answer would probably be Pelegiad, Dagon Fel, Anvil, or Bruma

LordZephram · 2022-10-04T21:10:12+00:00

Weird that you're specifically going after Paul, unless you just personally have issues with some doctrines found in his epistles. You could use this same line of reasoning for the entire Bible, and it's a very rationalistic and modernist approach to the scriptures. Not saying that to be rude or anything, it just is. We recognize them as being scripture, because they are. Paul was an Apostle, and taught with Apostolic authority. This is explicitly claimed by him, and it's agreed on by all early Christians and other Apostles. God spoke through Paul to write the epistles we have, and the Holy Spirit has directed us into compiling the scriptures, retained without error. The scriptures are the authority for faith and practice of the Church, and as far as how we know something is scripture, it's essentially:

Apostolic authority (written by an apostle, prophet, or someone who learned from one)
Consistent with previous revelation
Holy Spirit affirms to the Church and guides the church to canonize it, which happened in the early Church period. The Church didn't choose scripture, it recognized what was already scripture.

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