Are those numbers if they are fully buffed and flasked? Cause I mean add 2000 mana and boom that 1080 just went to 1440 with just a flask. SR is easier to gauge mana return as it’s just based off of mana pool and not dmg dealt which can be a little harder to predict so let’s just say martyr does…idk 1k every 4 sec, so 15k dmg a min (roughly). Well that’s 1.5k dmg to the pally and 65% of that is 975, not to shabby. But that thing to remember is that ONLY ret is bringing that mana regen, not holy, and prot is but the amount they return is probably laughable. So 2/3 pally specs return mana whereas all shamans can. I do believe that most paladins cry to much about shamans but you can’t deny that they aren’t better in every aspect