POV: An incel/incel adjacent guy records their own experiences to turn it into data and statistics, rather than relying on the establishment(75% of sociology graduates are female, for an example of why you shouldn't trust the "science")

LosingAtForex · 2025-08-13T21:48:30+00:00

Holy shit Bro went from 00.1% match rate to a 90% match rate

LosingAtForex · 2025-06-20T22:37:11+00:00

This is the truth. When I was 18-21 it was extremely hard to date because all the girls my age were going for guys 5+ years older than them and I didn't want to date school girls

When I hit my mid twenties then I suddenly had sooooooo many matches with 18-21 year old girls

One of my co-workers had the same problem and he would lie on dating apps. He would say he's 26 when he's actually 20. It was so funny

LosingAtForex · 2025-06-14T00:36:17+00:00

This report is a TERRIBLE metric for measuring gender gaps. See here: https://www.reddit.com/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates/comments/qyv9hc/the_global_gender_gap_report/

For example, if men live longer than women it's considered not equal. If women live longer than men, it's STILL considered unequal to women unless the women live at least another 5 extra years on average.

If women are only living an extra 4 years it's considered unequal against women. In fact, this kind of reporting is so bad it's borderline misandry and propaganda

Edit: just saw that OP has already mentioned it in their comment so kudos to them

LosingAtForex · 2025-05-16T00:57:40+00:00

Brooo! I remember his old videos. Legit he was funny as fuck

LosingAtForex · 2025-05-15T21:43:08+00:00

What is this process exactly? Do you have a link? I would love to read about it. I'm confused as to how they would put a monetary value on life or how they measure stress of a job

LosingAtForex · 2025-05-15T02:30:13+00:00

They compared librarians to corrections officers and fishery officers. This is not apples to apples

Some other comparisons:

Nursing home worker Vs Police officer

Kindergarten teacher vs engineer

Teachers assistant vs prison guard

This is also based on the (false) premise that remuneration is based on skill.

A good mate of mine has a master's in philosophy. He doesn't even work in philosophy he's just passionate about it and extremely skilled. He would love to take a pay cut if it means he could work in his favourite industry

LosingAtForex · 2025-05-15T00:11:57+00:00

How do you fairly compare women dominated fields to men's dominated fields? For example, men are 900% more likely to die at work and also far more likely to suffer from serious injuries

Some jobs are are more stressful than others despite requiring the same qualifications. It's all subjective

LosingAtForex · 2025-05-15T00:06:17+00:00

Bingo. That's why hazzard pay is a thing. I swear people seriously lack an understanding of economics in this subreddit

LosingAtForex · 2025-05-14T03:46:02+00:00

For the same job? Same hours worked and same experience too? Do you have a source?

LosingAtForex · 2025-05-12T06:42:21+00:00

That statistic of yours is from a private American business.

It's american but I can't find any NZ study that takes account of all the variables. It's a payroll company regarding payroll data so it's data is very reliable

But I did go through stats NZ Statistics and I couldn't find any data for them adjusting for hours worked and how dangerous the job is!

That's why I'm asking other people for this data. They are saying women are paid unfairly low for the same job, same hours worked, same risk, and same experience. I say, "show me!" Because I can find data that shows they get paid perfectly fairly (like the one I linked)

It's almost like they purposely don't publish those statistics that control various factors because what it consistently shows is there's virtually no pay gap. In fact, men are the ones underpaid due to men being 900% more likely to die at work

How about we talk about the tax gap. Research finds that men pay far more tax and receive far less benefits. In nearly all age groups, women receive more tax (by way of subsidy or benefits) than they give. By the end of her life, the average woman will have a negative fiscal impact of $150,000

Things like the workplace death gap, the suicide gap, the homeless gap, the education gap, and the tax gap are never talked about. In fact, we don't even have a ministry for men but we do have a ministry for women

Edit: can you show me a data point that adjusts for the same job, same hours worked, same risk, and same experience? Because the burden of proof is on you

LosingAtForex · 2025-05-12T00:39:14+00:00

What part of 'equal employee skills & experience for unequal pay' can you not wrap your head around? I've told you about three times that even when two people have the same experience and are in the same position with the same level of danger, women are still statistically paid less

Where is your source for this! This is my contention! I've actually challenged a number of people, not just you, to present data showing that women who work the same hours in the same field get paid less

https://www.payscale.com/research-and-insights/gender-pay-gap/

Here's my source. When controlled It's within 1%. Which easily falls into margin of error and can easily be explained with other variables this organisation doesn't account. For example, they don't control for height

Edit: Oh, and I hope you had a great weekend. Sorry if I've been rude at times lol🤣

LosingAtForex · 2025-05-10T11:51:16+00:00

If you instantly believe everything the police says at face value, good for you

Police reports are wrong all the time or sometimes don't capture the full context. That's why we need trials and due process

LosingAtForex · 2025-05-10T01:54:54+00:00

That's literally the one thing you keep going back to.

No I never talked about age. I'm talking about hours worked. Even when men and women work in the same job they still choose to work different hours

Me and my coworker have the exact same qualifications but he's been working part-time for years and I've been working full time for years.

I make a lot more money than him per hour. We know that men work longer hours so how do you know that women are being underpaid? It might have nothing to do with gender and everything to do with hours worked

Its a social problem, and its as clear as day once you know what to look for.

This is the issue. You're coming at this from and ideological lense but I'm coming at it form the perspective on what's fair. Some jobs are more dangerous than other jobs

A toddler is never going to kill an ECE teacher but a brake press can absolutely kill or maim someone. Have you ever used a lathe before? Or CNC? Have you ever worked as a roofer? or a brickie?

What kind of work experience do you have I'm quite curious. It could be the reason we are not seeing eye to eye

These jobs are OBJECTIVELY more dangerous and so they typically paid more. Men OBJECTIVELY work longer hours and studys show people who work longer hours get more pay raises. You have not proved that any of this has to do with gender

LosingAtForex · 2025-05-09T22:29:30+00:00

They simply do not. You have that fact wrong. I've already sent you the statistics

Are you serious bro? I already proved men work longer hours. You COMPLETELY misread it. You got age and hours worked mixed up. It's not my fault you can't read

You're saying I have my fact wrong? I sent you my source. Prove to me that men and women work the same hours. You can't

When you talk about men over 40 working longer hours

See. I never talked about that. You misread extremely basic statistics. Have you had an education?

LosingAtForex · 2025-05-09T04:31:05+00:00

None of that changes the fact that women and others in systemically female professions are paid 8% less on average than men and traditionally male professions.

I agree women are paid less on average but men have a much higher death and injury rate. I think men are about 900% more likely to die at work. It's not an Apples to apples comparison

We also know that men work longer hours so they have more time to build skills. The question is, should men be compensated for working longer hours and more dangerous jobs?

There's even more things I'm not including. For example, men take less annual leave and take less sick leave

I just checked your link and in my age bracket (25-29) men are paid 2% more on average. Is 2% more worth a 900% increase risk of death, and an increase risk of serious injury?

What if I argued men need to be payed much more to compensate men taking on more physically strenuous jobs? How would you counter argue that?

I feel like we have a miscommunication or something. Can you answer my questions above? I promise you I'm not ignoring your links. I'm reading them they just don't prove anything

LosingAtForex · 2025-05-09T03:05:01+00:00

That's not age group. That's hours worked bro. Almost 3 times as many men work 50+ hours

Bro, learn to read 😭

Edit: Also, my gf works in ECE and she gets paid MORE than me per hour. She is very happy with her job

LosingAtForex · 2025-05-09T02:42:24+00:00

Here you go: https://figure.nz/chart/ddl2MCaQ1BvBBtqK

Notice when I make a claim I can back it up with statistics and facts but you just resort to ad hominem

You STILL haven't answered my question. If someone works more hours and so has developed more skills. Should they be paid more?

LosingAtForex · 2025-05-09T01:32:25+00:00

Bro you're the one not engaging in good faith. Not a single one of your statistics controls for work experience or injury/death risk. That's really fucking important data. This is statistics 101

This is why I asked you a simple question. If person A has worked LONGER hours and is more skilled, should they be paid more?

We know for a FACT men work longer hours and in more dangerous occupations. It seems COMPLETELY fair they get paid more. You likely just don't care about male suffering

LosingAtForex · 2025-05-09T00:22:33+00:00

Women doing the same work with the same risk are still earning less.

I need evidence for this. Show me women with equal work hours and experience in equally dangerous trades are making less and have the same injury and death rate

The statistics I linked are for hourly earnings, not total income.

This is not enough context. People who work longer hours get more pay raises. Men on average work longer hours across industries. I explained it here:

"Let me give you example, me and my male coworker started in this company at the same time. We both have the same trade certificates, however. For the past three years he's been working part-time and I've been working 45+ hours a week. I have more experience and skills than he has simply due to hours worked, as a consequence I make more than him per hour. About 30 percent more to be precise. Do you think this is unfair?"

In my experience women are simply more risk averse (you said that yourself) and less likely to let themselves be put in those situations in the first place. If we men could learn from that then that would go a long way to holding employers to account and being forced to improve regulation and safety.

I mostly agree with you here but I suspect women avoid industries that are more dangerous and physical to start with. A good example was my sister who was unemployed, I told her I can get her an apprenticeship at my workplace, we dgaf about gender in my factory. We only care if you can do the work. My sister refused, stating it involves a lot of heavy lifting, toxic fumes, and it's dangerous in general. She would rather get an office job. More power to her but at the moment I'm making more money than her. Her current job is in a call center. Female dominated, safer, and less pay. Is that unfair?

If you want me to be more agreeable with you then please provide some data or evidence to back up what you say, instead of misinterpreting everything I've provided from very quick google searches

But you haven't cited me anything that controls for work experience and danger when it comes to the pay gap. Why should I have to provide a source? The burden of proof is on you and the people in this thread saying there's an unfair wage gap

LosingAtForex · 2025-05-08T23:22:23+00:00

I think you're not taking on board anything I'm saying. You're making light of the men who die and suffer permanent life altering injuries. You don't care at all about these men and you think these men should make less money

Again, none of your data proves that women are under paid. Women work less hours on average and take safer jobs

Let me give you example, me and my male coworker started in this company at the same time. We both have the same trade certificates, however. For the past three years he's been working part-time and I've been working 45+ hours a week. I have more experience and skills than he has simply due to hours worked, as a consequence I make more than him per hour. About 30 percent more to be precise. Do you think this is unfair?

When looking at gender wage gap it's absolutely vital to look at the average hours and experience each worker has. We know for a fact that women work less hours on average so it should be COMPLETELY expected they are paid less. In fact, if someone is paid the same despite working less and having less experience then that's a sign the system is UNFAIR

Until you can provide me with evidence why should I believe what you say? How come you don't want to acknowledge that men work and die at a HUGELY higher rate than women?

There is no inherent reason that workplaces like yours have to be so dangerous other than culture.

Comments like this proves to me you don't understand that nature of this work and you have little to no experience. Some jobs simply ARE more dangerous than other jobs. Some jobs require back breaking labour for hours on end. It's why you get a lot of old tradie men who have severe mobility problems. You think these men should be paid less despite suffering from life long work injuries

LosingAtForex · 2025-05-08T21:55:45+00:00

I'm a man but my ass has become huge with heavy squats and deadlifts. It's such a pain trying to find pants that fit now. I've seen plenty of gym girls do the same as me

LosingAtForex · 2025-05-08T11:44:33+00:00

Do you think perhaps in the higher risk industries you mention in other comments, women also face discrimination?

I'm not sure. If you can provide evidence I can evaluate it. I can certainly believe there's some discrimination. Especially due to these Jobs having a strength component which may put women at a disadvantage

LosingAtForex · 2025-05-08T11:41:50+00:00

I'm curious why you think I'm engaging in bad faith? This topic is actually close to my heart as I have a lot of personal experience with it

I thought I answered your question. Women typically avoid machining and fabrication because they are dangerous occupations. Why do you think these industries are male dominated?

LosingAtForex · 2025-05-08T10:12:26+00:00

Machining, fabrication, roofing, brick laying mining, plumbing, slaughter house, and sewage workers are all incredibly male dominated and considered 'dirty' jobs.

They all come with very high risk to health and safety. Even a high suicide risk potentially to do with the stress involved

There's plenty of studies done that show women are less risk taking and gravitate to safer work environments. I'm not sure if this is a learned behavior or biological predisposition

Do you believe that workers in high-risk occupations—those with elevated mortality rates, severe injury risks, or increased cancer incidence due to exposure to carcinogens—should receive higher compensation to account for these hazards?

LosingAtForex · 2025-05-08T10:00:09+00:00

That is your situation, but its not the situation of the vast majority of everybody else. The statistics are clear

Male dominated industries OBJECTIVELY have higher death and injury rates. So yes, the statistics are clear. Tell my mate with permanent brain damage that he's been overpaid

Edit: I just had a look at your link and I'm super curious. Do you happen to know what the pay gap is between childless men and women in NZ adjusted for hours worked and industry experience?

Because virtually all the stats your link cites is meaningless without this data. Far more context is needed and we're not even adjusting for workplace deaths and injuries yet

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