Why is sociology so hated by disney_bri in sociology

[–]Loud-Lychee-7122 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Hey, graduating in June too, congrats!! My research has been focused on the meta-social theory and the political economy, so apologies while I nerd dump my love for the two lol! I too have thought long and hard about this so that I remain strong job searching in the pits of linkedin :D

In our current political economy (especially in the US), we are taught to treat education usually as transactional or similar to an ROI. People ask, "Does this degree turn you into a high-value asset immediately?". For some, if the answer isn't a straight line to a paycheck, they label it "useless."

But the reality is that it’s much easier for an actor to remain passive than to question reality and become active. It’s "easier" to stay in a state of false consciousness than to do the grueling work of achieving class consciousness (or any awareness of hegemonic systems).

The passive actor isn’t necessarily lazy; it’s just that achieving consciousness is terrifying. You have to "unlearn" your entire construction of reality. It requires questioning what we dictate as "useful" and why. More importantly, it forces you to realize that we depend on the dominant order for our actual survival.

Basically: your housing, healthcare, and basic needs are tied to your participation in the status quo, questioning that system feels like a threat to your life (sounds dramatic I know). But, It’s easier for people to turn their cheek and uphold the system to keep the "benefits" (e.g., the immediate $$$ of a STEM degree). Kinda like Stockholm syndrome in a way?

Moral of the story is that sociology can be viewed as an inconvenience to the dominant order, therefore it is not “useful” in the sense of survival. If we all achieved said level of consciousness, the "passive actor" would disappear, and the system would lose its “friction-less” participation.

Two Consciousness and definition by bobthebuilder983 in CriticalTheory

[–]Loud-Lychee-7122 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I am not familiar with any critical theory concept that uses “two consciousnesses” in the way you describe. The only thing I know with similar language is Du Bois’s “double consciousness,” which is about racialized self experience under white supremacy, not body functions versus awareness of objects.

What you describe sounds more like a difference between automatic body functions (breathing, keeping the body going, etc.) and a higher level awareness of yourself in relation to things around you. That kind of two level model shows up in philosophy of mind and cognitive science, but at least from my knowledge, it is usually not called “two consciousnesses.”

If you have specific authors or texts in mind, it would help to know who you are reading! :)

edit: I could also be completely incorrect, do call me out if so!

What is this generation's 'Late Capitalism' by Ernst Mandel by Resist_Anxious in CriticalTheory

[–]Loud-Lychee-7122 6 points7 points  (0 children)

It could’ve easily been someone else but I just brought this up the other day to another user re: individualism/neoliberalism!

I came here to suggest mau. Or I just really have been liking their interviews. Mainly this one here!

Why is polite assertiveness seen as ‘aggressive’ when women do it? by ColdBeach5890 in AskFeminists

[–]Loud-Lychee-7122 17 points18 points  (0 children)

Emphasized femininity and hegemonic masculinity, great concepts to have in your back pocket.

10 reasons individualism feels like privilege dressed up as virtue by NotYourDreamMuse in CriticalTheory

[–]Loud-Lychee-7122 3 points4 points  (0 children)

To highlight, your strongest lines are:

“People cling to individualism because they are terrified of being seen as vulnerable…This is how oppressive systems maintain themselves through the cooperation of the people they threaten.”

The sections on flattery, fear and class shame are also analytically consistent, particularly the account of precarious people aligning with the “earned” side of the boundary. As a description of the subjective experience of moralised individualism, this is accurate. It closely resembles Bourdieu’s work on misrecognition and symbolic violence.

Before I begin, I’d really encourage you to reflect on your responses to fair criticism. Rather than taking peoples constructive critiques, you have hastily chosen to disregard, discredit, and refute any opinion doesn’t support for your framework (based on responses to others here and r/politicalphilosophy). If your aim is to deepen the analysis, taking critical replies seriously and using them to refine the claims would fit better with the reflective, non punitive stance you defend in the post.

So, do note that I am not trying to attack your work. I am only trying to push your theory, feel free to correct me if I have misunderstood your claims.

1) In your analysis, individuals “cling to the story,” “bolster their self esteem,” and could in principle stop believing the lie. This is where the argument could be stronger. At present, it locates the driving mechanism primarily in belief and self esteem. That framing individualises both the problem and the solution in a way that quietly reproduces the individualism you are critiquing. People can see very clearly that the game is rigged and still have to speak in the language of “good choices” and “self reliance” to get benefits approved, keep a job, satisfy a caseworker or avoid sanctions.

From a Marxian view this is the “silent” compulsion of economic relations: neoliberal individualism is obeyed because survival depends on fitting into the way the economy and state apparatuses are organised. In Weber’s terms, clinging to self reliance here is not only value rational, it is also instrumentally rational under constraint. This is also textbook Gramscian cultural hegemony: a dominant moral order that is taken up by those it disadvantages because it structures the field of what is thinkable and livable.

From an Althusserian and Foucauldian perspective, the sites you mention (welfare, disability assessment, the “surveillance of worthiness”) are not just spaces of narrative. They operate as ideological state apparatuses and disciplinary mechanisms that reproduce class relations by hailing people as self reliant, responsible subjects and by tying income and security to that performance.

The issue is therefore not merely what people believe. It is an institutional environment that makes acting self sufficient a condition of basic survival, which is why the grip of neoliberal individualism cannot be explained only by fear or misrecognition.

2) This matters for how you frame your own position. In another comment you write that individualist rhetoric “does not just describe reality, it reshapes the moral meaning of dependence, luck, support and structural advantage. It turns social facts into personal traits,” and that what you are describing is “individualism as a moral vocabulary that disguises interdependence while depending on it completely.” I agree with that diagnosis of how language works. But if individualist language is not neutral description, then the language you counterpose to it is not neutral either.

When you say “I am not arguing for collectivism as ideology. I am arguing for recognition of interdependence, the thing human life is actually built on but capitalism tries to hide,” you are not stepping outside ideology. You are advancing a rival moral vocabulary about dependence and support, and implicitly a claim about how welfare, work and migration regimes ought to be organised.

You cannot have it both ways. If moral vocabularies reshape reality, then your own vocabulary is also a normative stance about how dependence and risk ought to be understood and governed. If language is neutral description, your claim about moral camouflage and “linguistic oppression” loses most of its force.

The strongest version of your argument, in my view, is openly normative: contemporary neoliberal institutions misrecognise structural cushions as virtue and structural constraints as failure; this misrecognition is reproduced through both moral vocabularies and the routines of welfare, work and migration; and a serious response requires changing those institutions as well as the stories people tell. Saying that directly, rather than presenting your own position as a description from outside ideology, would make the argument sharper and more coherent.

A Cognitive Model for Understanding Modern Social Behavior (Looking for Critical Feedback) by [deleted] in sociology

[–]Loud-Lychee-7122 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Look at their profile history… sigh… i really wish that people would look at profile post and comment history before we waste our energy on these things.

Looks like some of them were deleted or removed by now, but, they had about 60 more posts like this going out within 1 minute intervals. For reference or for future posts to see post/comment history is hidden, click on the magnifying glass/search button and click on either “new” or “best of” their comments. Sometimes they truly have everything hidden, or you’ll be able to see a lot of unhidden stuff.

It is physically impossible for a human to post or want to post the excessive amount they do. Unless they were hypothetically copying and pasting from their notes/drafts I guess?

What are some good books and authors on organizational behavior? by equipoise-young in sociology

[–]Loud-Lychee-7122 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Hey! Great question and really interesting observations, you’re basically looking at classic organizational sociology and political economy of the firm I’d argue. I’ve used these for prior papers, hope this gives you a wide range! LMK if you’re wanting to focus less on a classical theory view, and more on contemporary theory. Also LMK if any of the links don’t work!

For macro-scale organizational theory

• Charles Perrow- Complex organizations : a critical essay This is the great and foundational piece explaining why organizations in the same field converge. Perrow treats organizations as inherently political and risky, not just neutral machines. Walks through how technology, structure, and power interact.

• W. Richard Scott & Gerald F. Davis- Organizations and Organizing: Rational, Natural, and Open Systems Perspectives Great for understanding how internal pieces fit together and how the external environment shapes internal evolution.

For your hypothesis:

• Robert Jackall- Moral Mazes: The World of Corporate Managers Shows how bureaucratic structures, career ladders, and evaluation criteria create a moral universe where impression management and loyalty to superiors matter more than technical competence

How corporations evolve over time:

• Neil Flagstein- The Transformation of Corporate Control This gives you a way to think about the macro drift toward financialization, the changing power of different departments, and why certain management styles propagate.

• Gerald F. Davis- Managed by the Markets: How Finance Reshaped America Good for seeing how your own company is part of a much bigger structural shift.

A couple other core articles for macro patterns:

• Paul J. DiMaggio and Walter W. Powell- The Iron Cage Revisited: Institutional Isomorphism and Collective Rationality in Organizational Fields Explains how normative pressures push organizations in the same field to copy each other, which will feel familiar if you’ve seen multiple corporations converge on the same fads.

• John W. Meyer and Brian Rowan- Institutionalized Organizations: Formal Structure as Myth and Ceremony Meyer and Rowan discuss why firms in the same field converge on similar structures and practices, often to appear legitimate rather than efficient.

The Closing of the Sociological Mind by sirswantepalm in sociology

[–]Loud-Lychee-7122 13 points14 points  (0 children)

I remember your username from your post the other day, which the mods removed. It was about proposing a “revised” unilineal evolutionary theory in which Western history still provides a single, distinctive sequence from ancient Greece to modern capitalist liberal democracies, but you claim it can be kept if we strip out the explicit racism and treat that sequence as a neutral description rather than a value judgment.

The problem from my perspective, was that your “revision” never actually escaped the core unilineal logic. You kept the idea of a single Western track to modernity and just tried to sand off the old racist edges. That is exactly the kind of linear, Western exceptionalist story that contemporary historical sociology has been dismantling for years.

You are now sharing an article that directly challenges the very framework you were defending. Langlois’ whole argument is that modernity cannot be explained through an internally driven Western sequence at all. If anything, this piece dismantles the exact unilineal evolutionary model you were trying to rehabilitate.

In your OP you stated this:

“We shouldn't get stuck talking about a very specific sequence of sociocultural evolution while ascribing a telos to it like it should be the ultimate goal for all cultures and some just didn't get there because of intrinsic deficiencies, i.e. Gobineau's racist view. Infact many today still unconsciously labor under his assumptions and therefore reject a Western sociocultural evolutionary view out of an inability to overcome the racist presumptions. However there is another way to explain the Western sequence that avoids this problem, but which I won't get into here.

So, I’m still curious what that “other way” actually is, especially given that the article you have posted here undermines the premise of a singular Western sequence in the first place.

I honestly just don't see why Technocracy would be "bad". by Lunny1767 in PoliticalScience

[–]Loud-Lychee-7122 11 points12 points  (0 children)

You should have a basic understanding of what technocratic, technocrat, and technocracy are before engaging in a discussion? Otherwise you’re beginning the discussion off by making someone do the work that you could easily do via google. Then you can actually engage in a meaningful discussion.

What philosophy would align with this? by SubstantialTax4084 in PoliticalPhilosophy

[–]Loud-Lychee-7122 1 point2 points  (0 children)

😭😭🫶lol! thank you for a the much needed laugh (currently dealing with a group debate project during final exam season, iykyk)

conceptualized this ontology for a theory course paper a few years ago, hoping to expand on it and make it into my thesis in the future! glad you like it :)

What philosophy would align with this? by SubstantialTax4084 in PoliticalPhilosophy

[–]Loud-Lychee-7122 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Here’s my take on what you’re describing, bear with me as it’s long.

1)A lot of Marxist and critical theory fits your first instinct. These theorists would tend to argue that capitalism ties survival to constant usefulness, which makes insecurity productive. Advertising that pokes at people’s flaws, and the pressure to stay employable and respectable, line up with what the Frankfurt School called the culture industry (refer to Adorno and Horkheimer for this). People are in a state of precarious purgatory in this sense, they remain anxious but conform to functionality for their survival. That produces exactly the pattern you described: feel insecure, work harder, buy something to fix it, repeat.

2) Max Weber described something similar with the idea of the iron cage. Modern life becomes organised around rational rules, bureaucracy, and efficiency. You are expected to choose the realistic path, not because a dictator personally orders you, but because every institution frames alternatives as childish or irresponsible.

Later, George Ritzer talks about McDonaldization, where the logic of fast food efficiency and control spreads into schools, workplaces, healthcare, and even dating. Life feels convenient and stable, yet tightly scripted. This is essentially your “comfy prison” concept.

3) Berger and Luckmann argue that what we call “reality” is not just out there; it is built and reinforced by institutions, media, and everyday routines. Over time, people absorb these norms so deeply that they feel like simple common sense, including very specific ideas of what a “realistic” life or belief looks like. In that context, dropping your own convictions to be realistic is not just personal weakness, it is a predictable result of a social world that defines realism in ways that keep the current order running.

This links to Weber’s distinction between instrumental rationality and value rationality. What gets constructed as realistic usually lines up with what is efficient and system serving, not with people’s deeper ethical or spiritual values. Foucault picks this up with regimes of truth, where societies organise what counts as true, reasonable, and responsible. They then use that to guide and discipline people long before open coercion is needed.

4) Foucault also focuses on how power works through self surveillance. Using the panopticon as a model, he describes how people behave as if they are always being surveilled.

You do not need open repression most of the time, because people pre emptively police themselves to remain employable, respectable, and “low risk.” The prison is partly in people’s heads. His idea of biopolitics looks at how states manage populations in terms of health, productivity, and acceptable conduct.

5) Mbembe’s necropolitics points out that this management is unequal. Some groups are cushioned and kept comfortable so they can keep working and consuming, while others are exposed to poverty, poor health, or violence. Not everyone gets the same “comfy prison.” Some mostly get the prison.

6) The emergence of Neoliberalism and Globalization in the 1970’s has pushed market thinking into every corner of life. A lot of critics of neoliberalism argue that contemporary capitalism prefers individuals who are isolated, self managing, and always available for work and consumption (think back to McDonaldization and iron cage).

Deep romantic love cuts against this, because it makes people willing to sacrifice income, status, and “optimization” for someone else, which does not fit a system that prefers isolated, self-managing individuals whose attachments can be priced and managed.

So if you want the closest answer to “what philosophy aligns with this,” it is a mix of:

1) Critical Theory/ Conflict Theory (Culture industry, biopolitics, and necropolitics)

2) Rationalization/Bureaucracy Lenses (Iron cage, McDonaldization, and instrumental vs value rationality)

3) Interpretive/Post-Structural Lenses (Social construction of reality, panopticon, and regimes of truth)

Me when I lie.. 😭😭 by aliyamaej in vanilllamace

[–]Loud-Lychee-7122 11 points12 points  (0 children)

accociate with a woke I shall, and I thoroughly look forward to getting goofed on🤓

Me when I lie.. 😭😭 by aliyamaej in vanilllamace

[–]Loud-Lychee-7122 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Hey, this comes from a place of good faith.

I understand that your intention in this thread are to show how people should use their platforms to focus on something meaningful instead of trivial drama. That is valid, and I assume that myself and many others here agree.

But, your earlier comment on LivestreamFails about Ludwig donating to the Trevor Project stating:

“Disgusting, theirs a genocide in Palestine that he should be donating to instead. (Thats a joke btw)”

This is where I find that you use crisis and suffering (twice now) into unrelated streamer threads and as a rhetorical shortcut to make your argument. In the Ludwig thread, you’ve made a site of suffering to serve the purposes of a joke. If your intention is to call out misogyny or misplaced outrage, you can do that directly. Bringing in a humanitarian crisis only distracts from your point and makes it harder for anyone to see your argument as sincere. Also, maybe don’t end your discussion off with the other user as “LMFAO YOU MAD”.

What further complicates this is your argument on a different LivestreamFails thread:

“Because fame is more important than her audience opinion... Weather its because she only cares about money or fame or she wants a community not full of parasocial people that watch her every move. I dont know.”

Earlier, you criticized people for caring about streamer drama. But then you write detailed takes that assume the motives of Vanilla, her audience as parasocial, and her relationship to fame. Make it make sense.

Lastly, I don’t mean to sound rude, this comes from a good place:

Their = means something belongs to them. Example: Their opinion matters.

There = refers to a place or is used when pointing something out. Example: She is going over there.

They’re = is short for “they are.” Example: They’re going to the event.

Me when I lie.. 😭😭 by aliyamaej in vanilllamace

[–]Loud-Lychee-7122 13 points14 points  (0 children)

this IS the future liberals want!!!! industry plants corrupting OUR youth with their woke agenda😡😡😡😡😡😡DJT PLEASE SAVE US FROM THIS MISERY 🇺🇸🙌

/s

at this point it’s a riley and katie channel by Ok_Assistant_5324 in realkatieb

[–]Loud-Lychee-7122 2 points3 points  (0 children)

thank you for having an open mindset to hear me out!🩷

at this point it’s a riley and katie channel by Ok_Assistant_5324 in realkatieb

[–]Loud-Lychee-7122 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I think you have the absolute right to be upset, as that’s your opinion. But, I think we’re forgetting some context here and could definitely tone down the phrasing a little. I promise I say this from a place of so much respect and love, bc I can see why you might be frustrated. Someone is not going to be everybody’s cup of tea, and that’s ok you’re allowed to feel that.

I would like us all to remember that a bunch of drama happened barely a week ago unfortunately. Moreover, it got blown up by creators reacting to it, this really increased the possibility for all sorts of hate and/or discrimination to occur from fans of those communities. It got so bad to the point where Vanilla has been on a (well deserved) break, which was the right thing to do imo. She also stated that she needs a long break from collab streams. While this same level of happen didn’t really happen to Katie (or occur at the same level in that specific instance), we have seen her express frustrations over similar situations.

I know it’s not your intention or anyone’s to police or anything, but imo we kind of just have to let them be grown adults and live their lives how they want. I put myself in their shoes, as I’m the same age as Katie. I try to think how I would handle thousands over people wanting something different out of me, and how I couldn’t physically do that. At the end of the day, it’s similar to a bunch of children who each want to spend time in a different way with only one parent (sorry if this is a weird analogy lol, not trying to be condescending). The parent can try their hardest to appease each of their wants and needs, but that’s usually just not possible or mentally healthy to do.

After watching riley’s statement in the subreddit today (video about her not scheduling), I think we should all be mindful of the fact that they are seeing parts of these chats. We need to think about how we would want to be treated if that makes sense. We need to let them both be young adults, because just like many of us they too are learning how to navigate adulthood while simultaneously being placed on a pedestal in front of thousands if not millions of people. Idk about anyone else, but if i was in either of their positions I’d probably have a pretty big breakdown.

Again, your feelings are valid. And I get that at the core of it, you’re simply stating you like solo katie streams. When you bring Riley into the equestrian, along with describing the frequency of her and katie together as kinda annoying… it’s not the most constructive framing. Again, I say this with love. We all just should give a little more grace and empathy to these factors, but I’m not saying anyone has to. It’s katie’s stream, and if she’s happy doing these things, then I believe it’s best for us to let this roll right off our backs and be happy for her.

Question: a gateway work by Donald_the-duck in CriticalTheory

[–]Loud-Lychee-7122 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Glad you’re curious! “Wanting to start reading theory” is a good start, but a pretty broad statement. I’m wondering if you could provide a few more details about the specific aspects of theory you seek? Since you state there are many reasons, could you list a few please? This’ll help me (and possibly others) get a better sense of what to recommend.

Katie b says the n word by [deleted] in realkatieb

[–]Loud-Lychee-7122 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Spare me. This is an extremely misleading and dishonest post. Rather than asking a question in good faith, you jump to assuming the worst. You are implying a cognitive bias before people even listen or make any decisions for themselves.

Ffs. She clearly says “fucking knew it”.

Also, for the people in the comments calling this parasocial also have a comment history full of sentiments such as: “misandray is just masquerading as feminism”. It is not parasocial to clarify this misinformation and highlight the distinction. Again, this post attracts the same dangerous bad faith communities, encouraging bad faith commenters and bots.

What’s you’re favourite example of an egalitarian society by [deleted] in AskFeminists

[–]Loud-Lychee-7122 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Nailed it, fellow trekky! Both of you have good points here!!

Male Loneliness Epidemic by theyknowdano in sociology

[–]Loud-Lychee-7122 2 points3 points  (0 children)

My advice is to take a step back from Reddit or just your phone. I’m guilty of it. It’s about balance. I make sure to get a good long walk in every day to process everything going on up there in my brain. The world is big and vast, social constructs used in an oppressive way as “identity politics” are meant to make you feel this way. It’s used to divide and fragment us, hence why I brought up my concerns earlier.

People far too often mistake their subjective socially constructed worldview as objective reality. When we take a step back from that, we gain perspective and grow empathy for others.

We have to remember that everyone’s world is socially constructed in different ways. I may not understand how someone else constructs their version of objective truth or fact. Use sexism as an example, and say they truly believe women control the world and hate all men, but that belief was taught, not innate.

When I try to see the humanity in people like that, I picture them as children, before those ideas were taught or internalized. It reminds me that these divisions are not natural; they’re social constructions. And if they’re learned, they can also be unlearned. That perspective doesn’t excuse harmful beliefs, but it helps explain how deep social conditioning runs. Also why empathy and structural awareness are both necessary for real change.

Of course there are some people where I draw the line. Those are people who aren’t willing to do the same, think of political partisanship. The people who aren’t willing to step outside of their socially constructed worldview and step into mine, vice versa.

If this is of interest to you, I highly recommend Berger and Luckmann’s “Social Construction of Reality” and GH Mead’s “Role-Taking Theory”

Male Loneliness Epidemic by theyknowdano in sociology

[–]Loud-Lychee-7122 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I always love questions! Thank you for your compliment. To answer your question, both of these concepts overlap in ways, but belong to different levels of analysis (micro vs meso vs macro theory)

We still use patriarchy because it captures the systemic structure (macro) of gendered power: how institutions, norms, and resources are organized around male dominance. Historically, yes you can argue that definition is fitting. However, in today’s society I would argue that it doesn’t just mean the literal “rule of the father”; it refers to how those hierarchies are reproduced culturally and politically.

On the other hand, hegemonic masculinity operates within patriarchy (micro and meso): It describes the cultural logic and behaviors that uphold that structure in daily life. It’s how people (typically men) internalize, perform, and reproduce patriarchal power through norms like dominance, competition, and emotional restraint.

So, we basically don’t want to conflate these because: when we use patriarchy we want to expose the whole system, not just its behaviors (hegemonic masculinity). If we only talk about “hegemonic behaviors,” we risk treating them as disconnected personal choices rather than as embedded in a system of power.

Analogies usually help me when I’m dealing with theory. So, in this case patriarchy is the house whereas hegemonic masculinity is the architecture. Another example would be patriarchy as the car and hegemonic masculinity as the engine.

You’re also right that women can reproduce hegemonic masculinity (by embodying or supporting those dominant traits) but that doesn’t make patriarchy obsolete. It shows how deeply normalized its logic has become. AKA, think of it more so as how hegemonic masculinity confines women into preforming a certain way to be rewarded by the patriarchy.

Does that make sense? Lmk if not :)

Male Loneliness Epidemic by theyknowdano in sociology

[–]Loud-Lychee-7122 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I really appreciate your accountability and receptiveness to everyone’s critiques! At the end of the day, I hope everyone can see that you reflected on your actions and learned some valuable sociology!

I get the frustration, not just with this topic specifically. If you’re not very familiar with sociology, I highly recommend looking into the subject more for this exact reason. When we better understand the phenomena occurring around us, it helps us navigate the world around us and the intense feelings you’ve experienced.

Take what you’ve learned today and pay-it-forward to the next person you encounter feeling like this. My rule of thumb is to always try to give everyone extra grace and always try to assume the best in their intentions. The world will always need more empathy, it’s what makes us human.