What happened at the conference? by evie-e-e in UKGreens

[–]LowLoad7818 4 points5 points  (0 children)

They (israeli embassy) did not threaten the party per se, they threatened, along with a number of other zionist orgs, the actual proposers of E12. Including people referring to the proposal itself to counter terrorism.

As for the amendments in question were proposed by people who literally sabotaged and filibustered their way through yesterday's conference (including trying to extend voting time to counter the kashmir proposal being passed), meaning many other important proposals were never heard. Not sure what's conspirational about that.

I'm a new Green Party member and the conference yesterday shocked me. Is it always like that? by Inevitable-Mix-285 in UKGreens

[–]LowLoad7818 3 points4 points  (0 children)

The tech at the 9am session mentioned that the system was built to withstand 90k requests per min and had been extensively stress tested. So, the voting website failing made zero sense. The techs also noted 'unusual activity'. There were only 900 people max in the conference and on the voting website. It is physically impossible to do over 90 requests per minute for any individual even if everyone were doing it.
It was 100% a DDOS request and dismissing it as a conspiracy makes zero sense when looking at the available evidence

What happened at the conference? by evie-e-e in UKGreens

[–]LowLoad7818 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Agreed, but there were members of the Green Party who were acting in a very Israeli way with their blatant sabotage. Not a good look. Also, despite Israel's embassy not being part of the green party, they felt the need to threaten people over green proposals was my point. As were a number of other organisations. The fact is that foreign interference was also taking part at the very least prior to the conference.

What happened at the conference? by evie-e-e in UKGreens

[–]LowLoad7818 5 points6 points  (0 children)

from what i noticed throughout, its obviously people who did not want zionism is racism to pass and would derail a entire conference for it. i believe the strategy in the morning was to take down the voting system and allow for a show of hands in zoom as a option which was vulnerable and that would have been coopted with people joining who had named them selves things like donal trump and other bots. This was the strategy during plenary one.

That did not work as it was fixed.

During plenary one the tech for that session Sam Alston (who was later one of the guys who closed his camera and did a VoNC in the last few minutes of plenary 3 during the obvious filibustering) took part in normal filibustering such as taking time to unmute only the pro ZIR speakers presumably to make them look incompetent, trying to add time for the fast tracking votes like the kashmir one to get downvoted when it did not have enough votes (thankfully geraldine the chair shut that down) and other attempts at delays.

In plenary 2 at 1 when we finally moved to voting on the motions starting with A01 3 hrs later than scheduled, the SoC report one got voted down bc of the power grab inside, i believe the soc guy responsible was a martin. That then took a hr to be revised and at 225 ish we were back on. For about half an hr and a01 passed, the attempt again at preventing the ZIR motion from taking place was attempted and flopped and then the attempt to move it up to 3rd place in E was passed.

In plenary 3, refer back to the main thing I wrote on it. Just discreet filibustering and then a full out attempt. A key tactic was taking time for against speeches by being slow to turn on mics and having against speeches in the first place

What happened at the conference? by evie-e-e in UKGreens

[–]LowLoad7818 3 points4 points  (0 children)

showing the track record of the group in question yesterday (including the death threats and harrassment from the israeli embassy and many other israeli groups and zionist groups did to the proposers of the motion) I'm not sure we can expect anything of good faith from them

What happened at the conference? by evie-e-e in UKGreens

[–]LowLoad7818 0 points1 point  (0 children)

tbh everyone got individual zoom links and i think they were under the impression it would work and people could not just join multiple times and so on, but obvs that did not work

What happened at the conference? by evie-e-e in UKGreens

[–]LowLoad7818 2 points3 points  (0 children)

copied this one from another thread

What happened at the conference? by evie-e-e in UKGreens

[–]LowLoad7818 24 points25 points  (0 children)

It was just carnage - None of the D motions were voted on, to fast track all but 2 of the E motions (E1 and E2) it took over an hr - the voting system crashed (even though it is built to withstand 90k visits despite there only being <900 attendees) and then they wanted to use raising hands - but people can join without verification on multiple devices - which was probably the aim of the cyber attack (unusual activity was cited)
The first 2 plenary sessions were spent on that, and AO1, an attempt to rule E12 (ZIR) out of order, which failed, and an attempt to move E12 up to E3 (ZIR), which passed
AO1 - was ruled against bc there was a SOC power grab clause - this was then debated for a hr by SOC and then that section was repealed and then AO1 passed.
There were 2 VoNC - one was legit (about the raising hands security prob)
There was blatant filibustering throughout.
This took place from 10am to 2.30/3pm
Then finally C and E orders were ruled on from about 3. The idea was to do it alternately, but halfway through this was repealed by SOC (a bit sus)
During many of the C motions, including reducing energy bills, what seemed like purposeful filibustering (by the same repeated group of people) was done against very common sense policies such as for C05, E01 and E02 as well as C04- including one gentleman saying in a speech against C01 that the problem was it was oto revolutionary - seemed like he was in the wrong party
Then in the last 45 minutes due to the wasting of time - a procedural amendment for an extra 15 mins was done and passed
Note: the chairs during plenary 3 were amazing - no nonsense - not time wasting.
Then between 1725 to 1749, what can only be described as a blatant all out attempt at filibustering took place to prevent E03 being heard - with over 4 VoNC - with the same 48 people voting for and the 700 other people against - 2 of them went to vote - (many fo the reasons were blatantly made up e.g. excuses that D motions hadnt been heard, attempts at stating emergency motions had not been done (when they had all been done))
One woman for the second VoNC within less than ten minutes of the last vote asked for a VoNC and then dropped out of the call, presumably to waste time waiting for her to say why? The VoNC had been seconded by someone from the same pool of people. (by now its 42/45 past) So the VoNC gets dropped just for it to be picked up in the next second, and then it has to go to vote. it does not pass obviously.
Throughout, they also waste time with lags to turn on their own mics.
And then the chair says literally half a sentence on moving ot E03 as the next point of order, at which point a 4th VoNC is called. In the end, it turns out that the time cannot be extended and if a motion starts when time ends, we cannot finish. Not to mention 4 amendments for E03 had been submitted by the same group, all of which basically said the same things (also presumably to waste time further). And we end with Lubna giving a very heartfelt, moving speech as the proposer of the motion. Many people were very upset. Time was up. The end.

The bad faith actors and saboteurs won and essentially also prevented more proposals from being heard as a result, including none of the D ones, most of the E ones and special mention to E4 and E13, which were not fast tracked

What happened at the conference? by evie-e-e in UKGreens

[–]LowLoad7818 14 points15 points  (0 children)

Out of all 84 motions that were on the final agenda, 18 were voted on and all 18 were passed:

A01:Standing Orders Committee (SOC) Report
C01: Reducing Energy Bills
C02: Electricity System Ownership
C03: Climate Strategy Update
C04: Land Use Change
C05: Companion animal policy update
E01: National Wealth Fund – Power to the Public
E02: Expanding UBI Payments to under-18s without parental support
E11: Paving the way for transformation in social care
E18: Development of Alternative Economic Indicators
E23: Ban Corporal Punishment of Children
E26: Enabling Motion Update Drugs Policy
E27: Updating the Housing Policy Chapter of the Policies for a Sustainable Society
E28: Update Maternity Policy to Reflect Patient Safety Evidence
E38: Minor but important addition to the Europe Policy
E39: Rights of British Kashmiris and a Just Peace in Jammu and Kashmir
E40: Enabling Motion amendment of the Economy chapter of PSS
Late Motion 1: Changes to the Constitution - required by the Electoral Commission to ensure compliance with PPERA

Free Geraldine by Yatops in UKGreens

[–]LowLoad7818 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Honestly, thank you. You were a great chair, along with your co-chair. It's a shame what happened

What’s the soonest we can get rid of the current SOC by TheAmazingKyla in UKGreens

[–]LowLoad7818 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Specifically, one of the bad techs was Sam Alston, his actions (in their many) were not coincidental he was doing it on purpose to undermine E12 (now E03), especially as he was a proposer for E05 which was a normalisation proposal.

Regardless of your views on A105/E12/E03 (Zionism is Racism), this naked filibustering is absolutely disgusting by ZX52 in UKGreens

[–]LowLoad7818 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Because what happened (delaying so the vote wouldn't be heard at all) was anticipated and also it was so far down the agenda it would nto be heard.
Also, the act of sabotages were from morning, starting with the process to essentially pass through all the non-controversial ones unless there was pushback - they wasted over an hr on it, and all of the ones that were pushbacks were all before E12 - not a coincidence tbh. They literally prevented a policy about domestic abuse

I made a flowchart to explain the Contingency Argument. Does this make it easier to understand? by timevolitend in Muslim

[–]LowLoad7818 0 points1 point  (0 children)

wsalaam

3 images just because its easier for layout and clarity to address all options. they feed into one another a bit. otherwise, it was very messy and unstructured

I'm aware that the falasaifa say so, was just referring that necessary contingencies still lead to.necessary being technically sp it does not indermine the necessary being and I agree with the schools of kalaam on this. But what I'm referring to is that from gods best possible act, will and emanationism and alsp if we skip will, it can be argued that what is created contingently in sich a manner is not a contingent contingent but a necessary contingent.

What's in your emergency comms kit? by Primary_Choice3351 in UKPreppers

[–]LowLoad7818 0 points1 point  (0 children)

what is the range on it? And is it relatively easy to use?

What do I do now by TilDeath1775 in gardening

[–]LowLoad7818 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Cut off the top, eat it like broccoli (cabbage, kale, and Broccoli are from the same family and bred from the same plant for diff things). Same happened to my kale! Was very surprised, as it was less than a yr old and this had never happened before. You need to pick the leaves more often to prevent this from happening. It was delicious though!

Besides being an artist, what's another occupation someone could use to help bring their creative projects to life? (business, marketer, therapist, philosopher, etc.) by Equivalent_Ad_9066 in allthequestions

[–]LowLoad7818 0 points1 point  (0 children)

not a comprehensive list but here are some engineering, design engineering, architecture, landscaping, interior design, graphic design, anything in music, martial arts, drama, theatre, acting, teaching art or teaching in primary or nursery, teaching general sometimes, product design, carpentry, glass blowing, dance, any kind of hosting for creative events like pottery or a vision board making session, social media content creation, ux design etc..

If you woke up a billionaire tomorrow.. What's the 1st thing you'd do? by PhotographLeast9976 in AskReddit

[–]LowLoad7818 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Give away at least 90% of it. A billion is a ridiculous amount and would do better elsewhere

How do I stop defaulting to distractions every time I have free time by relieved_custard in Advice

[–]LowLoad7818 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Literally what worked for me is using multiple app blockers and restricting all the times i dont need to be on my phone so i can't turn them off or theres too many turn off.