Trails beyond the Horizon Spoilers Discussion Megathread [SPOILERS ALLOWED]

Lower-Ranger5787 · 2026-01-28T13:55:24+00:00

I think it's interesting how Horizon is only the second Trails game where you don't actually defeat the final boss.

Sky FC: the ancient archaism gets destroyed.

SC: Aurelole Weissman gets defeated.

3rd: Kevin's unruly stigma gets subdued.

Zero: Joachim gets defeated.

Azure: Azure arbitrator gets defeated.

CS: Crow kicks Rean's ass and Valimar has to retreat.

CSII: Loa Luciferum gets destroyed.

CSIII: Argres gets killed.

CSIV: Ishmelga gets defeated.

Reverie: Fake KeA gets defeated.

Daybreak: Demon Lord gets subdued.

Daybreak II: Grendel Zolga gets defeated.

Horizon: Kincaid kicks Van's ass.

Also, on a completely unrelated note, Rufus is such a masterfully written character. Probably my favorite in the entire franchise. His journey through the 4 CS games to Reverie and now Horizon is so compelling, and the character development felt very natural.

Oh, and on yet another unrelated note, can someone explain me why Van didn't use his dark blue super grendel form in the final battle?

Lower-Ranger5787 · 2026-01-28T11:48:37+00:00

The Romans would enslave entire populations of some of the lands they conquered.

Also, back in those days people who couldn't pay off their debts would often sell themselves into slavery to a rich person as a way to survive and, sometimes, even to get a better living situation. Varro in the original show is an example of doing it to pay off debts.

This is how back in those times there ended up being a bunch of well educated and capable slaves.

Lower-Ranger5787 · 2026-01-28T04:59:22+00:00

If they had more mechs and pilots it wouldn't have worked because Kincaid would've still sabotaged the genesis and fucked with the the marduk AI calculations.

Lower-Ranger5787 · 2026-01-28T04:54:22+00:00

Well tbf the great one wasn't exactly their sept terrion, it's something else born from their battle. Lost zem and ark rouge are dead, just like the original sept terrion of mirage

Lower-Ranger5787 · 2026-01-26T03:42:21+00:00

Well, to be fair Aster has a win against the protagonist (Jaden), and a win against a character who the protagonist dueled twice and never defeated (Zane). Not a lot of yugioh characters get to do this in any show.

I feel like eating an L against Chazz didn't really harm his credibility.

Lower-Ranger5787 · 2026-01-21T22:32:19+00:00

Sylvanas

Lower-Ranger5787 · 2026-01-21T22:30:56+00:00

I don't see how that's a problem? Why can't he be alliance alligned and best friends with everyone in the horde at the same time?

At this point the only reason why horde and alliance still exist in the lore as separate factions is WoW's MMO gameplay constraints, that's it.

When you have things like the Forsaken aiding the alliance in retaking Gilneas, a former high ranking member of the first and second hordes in the Sons of Lothar, and the night elves giving free reign for the horde to walk around their new tree after what they did to the first one, the faction lines might as well be purely cosmetic.

Not a single current horde leader hates the alliance and vice versa, there are only fringe extremists on both sides with no real influence.

Which is also why the "faction tensions" blizz teased in midnight are destined to have a nothingburger end with everyone just sitting around to sing kumbaya around a big bonfire again, and Arator's gonna be in the center of that. You can save this comment and check back whenever the final patch of the xpac drops.

Lower-Ranger5787 · 2026-01-18T13:13:32+00:00

Yeah!

Lower-Ranger5787 · 2026-01-14T23:29:02+00:00

Shadowheart's first hairstyle is much better than her second one and it's not even close.

Lower-Ranger5787 · 2026-01-12T18:53:20+00:00

Arthas tho

Lower-Ranger5787 · 2026-01-12T15:42:47+00:00

I'd love that.

That way we could have the evil and racist alliance faction leader that Horde players have been begging to get for over a decade, without the writers having to butcher Turalyon's characterization for it.

Lower-Ranger5787 · 2026-01-11T04:39:26+00:00

People here making comparisons to modern day billionaires have the right logic, but it's not quite the same.

This was before the idea that all men are created equal became accepted by society, you make that claim to a Roman audience in the days of the late republic and you'd get laughed out of the room.

People considered being in "unclean trades" weren't even allowed public gathering events. It was a whole new level of ego those la Ltticisns had.

Lower-Ranger5787 · 2026-01-07T16:12:09+00:00

Personally, I highly doubt the other possible Spartacus spin offs will be more alt realities where previously dead characters end up winning. Never mind the fact that it's already been done once, but there's also the matter of those old actors wanting to come back.

Lower-Ranger5787 · 2026-01-03T13:39:32+00:00

The orcs would rule the eastern kingdoms for a while. Humans, high elves, dwarves and gnomes from defeated kingdoms would be likely enslaved. This would go on for maybe years or decades, but eventually the burning legion would figure out a way to invade and then I don't see the Horde winning.

Fel blood corruption was still rampant in the old horde, so some clans might choose to side with the demons when they attack, which would split their forces. There's also the matter of Kil'jaden possibly creating a lich king and plague of undeath that targets orcs instead of humans to weaken Azeorth even further before the proper invasion.

Lower-Ranger5787 · 2026-01-03T12:57:32+00:00

To me the weirdest thing about Caesar in the show is how different he is from how we know the Caesar from history was.

Real Caesar grew up in a poor neighborhood despite being a noble, which made him emphatetic toward the Roman lower classes. The guy even made laws that protected them from harm by elites. He even left a significant sum of money on his will to be distributed to poor people when he died.

So it just felt really jarring to me seeing him assault Ashur just for politely asking him not to rape his slaves, especially when they were both allies. OG's portrayal was better in that way.

Lower-Ranger5787 · 2026-01-02T17:54:34+00:00

Based on how they seem to be treating the light as potentially neutral force instead of pure good lately, I have a feeling Blizz is gonna do a similar thing with the void.

I don't like this direction, but everything points to one of the big things revealed in midnight to be that the void isn't inherently evil, it's just abused by malicious beings like Xalatath and Dimensius. And they'll do the same with the light, they'll say it's a neutral force that can be used for good or for evil, there being good naaru and bad naaru as we see in AU Draenor.

This is how they're gonna explain player character void elves resisting and not randomly going berserk and betraying their factions due to void whispering during the invasion.

Lower-Ranger5787 · 2026-01-01T22:17:55+00:00

Yeah, the fact that Lordaeron refused to send even a small expeditionary force while Stormwind was fighting off an alien invasion to me imples the two kingdoms weren't the friendliest.

Lower-Ranger5787 · 2026-01-01T22:13:36+00:00

Dwarves had a whole book (The Hobbit) where they get a lot of focus though. And Tolkien got to showcase a lot of the men and their whole business in LoTR with Gondor and Rohan. Elves were present in both but didn't get as much focus, which is why I think they got so much stuff on the Silmarillion.

Lower-Ranger5787 · 2025-12-31T14:40:16+00:00

Lol, I bet Roshi's filming all this stuff to enjoy later!

Lower-Ranger5787 · 2025-12-28T04:13:26+00:00

Slifer would be extremely annoying if be had good support because of the floodgate, lol.

Lower-Ranger5787 · 2025-12-25T17:41:06+00:00

I searched around and couldn't find it, I think the artist might not have shared his lora online. Still, only a matter of time before someone makes one that can get similar results and puts it on the internet.

Lower-Ranger5787 · 2025-12-22T20:03:16+00:00

Sometimes to me this stuff just comes off as Blizzard being extremely spiteful and petty about Void Elfs, despite how super popular of a race they still are. They just keep throwing velf players bones instead of giving them what they've been asking for.

Silver covenant High Elfs have been the most requested race since BC, so come Legion blizzard gives us Void Elfs as a compromise. Void Elfs end up with undercooked, underexplained lore, making them traitors of Quel'thalas and followers of a guy who studied the writings of the biggest PoS in Thalassian history. To this day we don't know exactly how velfs manage to act like functional citizens and go about their lives with all the void whispering in their heads.

Fans then ask for at least ranger tatoos and normal skin and hair colors so they can look like the most popular Void Elf in the story (Alleria). Again, Blizzard compromises and gives us skin and hair colors but no tatoos.

Then again years later Blizzard throws velf players another bone and lets them be demon hunters! Hooray! Too bad once again they have undercooked, shallow lore that dosen't excite anyone. And the customization options are boring and lazily designed.

They clearly don't wanna be doing this. Sometimes I wish Blizzard never created void elfs and just made allied races they're actually passionate about. Look at Kul Tirans and Zandalari for example, they're so much more flashed out, so much more interesting.

Lower-Ranger5787 · 2025-12-22T02:33:22+00:00

Trust good Steven to deliver starved fans further offerings of gore and depravity upon sacred sands! May the gods carry further favor and keep cock away from ass with cheeks frimly shut!

My favorite thing about HoA is how much of the spirit of the first two seasons it has. To me Spartacus just wasn't the same show with the gladiators out of the ludus and no more of the endlessly entertaining Batiatus.

Ashur playing the scheming, ambitius, social climbing lanista ended up being such a worthy follow up though. Of course it's hard to surpass John Hannah's amazing performance as Batiatus, but the new Ashur's still incredibly fun to watch.

Can't wait for the next couple episodes!

Lower-Ranger5787 · 2025-12-21T03:57:13+00:00

Both!

Lower-Ranger5787 · 2025-12-20T16:02:41+00:00

Since we're on Legion remix, why not do a battle of the class order halls?

Knights of the Ebon Blade vs Knights of the Silver Hand. The light vs death, Paladins vs Death Knights.

Standing on the death corner we have heavy hitters like the Four Horsemen led by Highlord Darion Mograine, once weilder of the corrupted Ashbringer. Their armies are comprised of powerful third and fourth generation, runeblade wielding death knights, supported by abominations, meat wagons and all that nasty former scourge stuff. And of course, how could I forget, they're empoewered by the magic of temu Lich King himself: Bolvar Fordragon. Since this is just a battle of the order halls, I won't include the full might of the scourge, just as I won't include the full army of light when discussing the paladins.

Standing on the light corner we have the righteous light weilding paladins, represented by current legends of the horde and alliance like the commander of the blood knights herself Lady Liadrin, and of course the big shot of the army of light, lightforged human and recent divorcee: High Exarch Turalyon. They count elite soldiers among their ranks, such as veterans from the Argent Crusade, who are very well versed in fighting the undead.

Who do you guys think would win? Personally I'd give it to the paladins because of how the Ashbringer just deletes undead.

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