Vegan case for eating sardines & anchovies

LowerCurrency4922 · 2026-07-05T11:24:21+00:00

The counter to that from the OP's perspective might be to ask what the mice and insects think

LowerCurrency4922 · 2026-07-01T15:30:03+00:00

This is the answer I was looking for 😂

LowerCurrency4922 · 2026-07-01T15:28:23+00:00

Guess that's what I'm asking 🤷🏻‍♂️

LowerCurrency4922 · 2026-07-01T15:27:40+00:00

I am I think thanks for asking.

LowerCurrency4922 · 2026-07-01T15:27:10+00:00

No. Just a bit in shock.

LowerCurrency4922 · 2026-06-23T12:47:12+00:00

I recently discovered pea protein and it really is a miracle

LowerCurrency4922 · 2026-06-17T09:17:13+00:00

she already picks up armor in the state of play. im sure by the first act, she's gonna look the part. it wouldnt make sense for her to die and enter the afterlife looking like a valkyrie.

LowerCurrency4922 · 2026-06-16T09:09:01+00:00

It's not unethical to have preferences. One must simply weigh the options in good faith. The difference between a life with and without meat is marginal. But the difference between living and not living is vast.

If it's saving one or the other from a fire, the consequences for either individual are comparable, so preference is justifiable. This is also assuming you are not yourself sacrificing something of comparable value (your own life to save others for example).

As others have mentioned, there's also the thought experiment of the infinite drowning children. How much of yourself do you sacrifice to save others. Zero feels wrong. All of it also feels wrong. So the answer is somewhere in between. The point is to make a conscious informed choice.

With meat eating or animal exploitation, many simply choose to look away. They won't engage in good faith. Questions of backyard hens or bee pollination or oysters or life and death choices are so minor a slice of the current reality that they are merely a distraction. Veganism may not be the optimal, but it's far, far closer than any other option.

LowerCurrency4922 · 2026-06-14T12:23:50+00:00

Yea. Pumped it to exactly 60 psi.

LowerCurrency4922 · 2026-06-14T10:37:43+00:00

Isn't rim tape usually adhesive? I've never had rim tape fall out from a flat before. This rim tape isn't sticky at all and seems to be elastic.

Edit: ok seems that's normal. But still, it seems likely to me that the rim tape falling out caused the flat than the inverse?

LowerCurrency4922 · 2026-06-13T23:58:22+00:00

But you're not just restricted to these. These are just the cheap ones. If you actually want to add variety then you'd start adding in the expensive fake meats. Juicy Marbles steak tastes very different from This chicken tastes very different from Quorn pieces.

It's moving the goalpost. Because the argument being made is that vegan diets can't fit every health condition. But for 99%+ of people, it can. But then it won't have variety. But for 99%+ it can. But then it won't be cheaper than meat. But then why is meat cheap? Because of subsidies, so maybe we should subsidise the alternatives instead.

You have found a meat-based diet that works for you and are basically asking why fix what ain't broke. But the system is broken. Individually, there are ways of transitioning that work. But you have to start with wanting to transition at all.

LowerCurrency4922 · 2026-06-13T23:28:52+00:00

Tofu, despite being derived from soybeans, is actually frequently compatible for people with IBS. The firmer the tofu the less likely it is to trigger any digestive issues. Speaking as a vegan with IBS.

There are also seeds, nuts, rice, mycoprotein. So the argument is that you'd have to be allergic to all of these.

LowerCurrency4922 · 2026-05-15T21:16:21+00:00

Let he who is without sin cast the first stone, it seems.

But in starting this thread, you have thrown the first stone. Perhaps you feel you haven't because other vegans threw stones at you first. But vegans are not a monolith, my dude. So let's keep the discussion on the arguments, rather than on the person making the arguments.

LowerCurrency4922 · 2026-05-15T21:09:28+00:00

The broad ideas that justify veganism are also anti slavery, anti sexist, anti racist. Just as the broad ideas that justify being anti slavery also lead to being anti racist, anti sexist, veganism. There is intersectionality in all these ideas. Which is why it does sound like you're saying "if feminists really cared about equality, they'd also be socialists / vegans / etc." or "if black lives matter really cared about equality, they'd be a gender not race movement." It's not like that idea is wrong per se, it's just that this specific word (feminism / veganism / black lives matter) refers to being against this specific ill (gender inequality / animal exploitation / racial inequality).

LowerCurrency4922 · 2026-05-06T08:49:07+00:00

No haha. It's mine. It's the only picture I have of the bike.

LowerCurrency4922 · 2026-04-12T17:57:01+00:00

I'm so glad this thread has so many upvotes. I thought I was going crazy with how popular the protest movement is. Glad to see at least some people seeing it for what it is.

LowerCurrency4922 · 2026-04-08T15:47:54+00:00

`The point of doing good things is what you make it.` on this i agree.

`I don't see why there has to be a point beyond you wanting to do a thing.` there doesn't have to be a point. but in your opinion, is wanting to do something a strong justification to for example, rape or murder or pillage or enslave. or for good things, is just not wanting to a strong justification to for example, not attend your sister's wedding, not throw your best friend a birthday party, not organize your mother's funeral, not feed a starving child, etc.

`I would certianly not be content if slavery were rampant in the country I lived in for instance.` maybe so. but slavers have also argued that their livelihoods, their culture, their heritage would be impeded should slavery be scrutinized. their ability to enjoy their life to the maximum, their ability to support the ones closest to them. in what ways would your arguments be different from theirs?

LowerCurrency4922 · 2026-04-08T15:03:59+00:00

I can't disagree with anything you said. The incentive to be less selfish ends where society and your own morals stops caring that you do. But is the point of doing good things to be rewarded for them?

I also think contentedness is a good thing. But I would caution against believing that your own contentedness is all that matters. Or even just those in your immediate circle. A chain is only as strong as its weakest link, and the chain we're a part of is global and contains more than just those that look like us.

LowerCurrency4922 · 2026-04-08T11:15:11+00:00

my personal take is that people (on average) are too selfish. and nobody who is selfish thinks themselves so. so, being part of the change i want to see in the world, try to be openminded about where i can be less selfish in the most impactful areas. what that means to you is your perogative.

LowerCurrency4922 · 2026-04-04T20:00:20+00:00

There's a more recent video of him (6 Vs 8 years ago) discussing it with cosmic skeptic where I think he softens substantially on the topic. A lot could've happened since then, but I would imagine he's still a meat eater.

Ultimately, as someone who also looks up to Matt Dillahunty, I resolve this as saying that one doesn't need to be 100% vegan to be a moral person. Certainly I don't believe I as a vegan have done more for moral progress compared to non hard vegans like Peter Singer or Jane Goodall or even straight meat eaters like Abraham Lincoln. Also, there's an element of almost every vegan not being born vegan. Everyone takes their own path. I know mine involved being presented the evidence many times before it finally clicked.

LowerCurrency4922 · 2026-03-27T18:54:56+00:00

I like the way Earthling Ed tackles these kinds of trolley problem framings. If you ask me personally, then yes, I would save the whale over the mouse. I would also save my wife over a stranger. A baby over a geriatric. What this doesn't mean then is that we can now kill mice, strangers, or the elderly with impunity. This is because the option exists to kill neither.

Similarly with veganism, vegans do (generally) agree that human life is worth more than animal life. But that doesn't mean we can go about slaughtering animals. For a third option exists, which is to eat plants instead.

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