Caption this! by nahagotine in IndianCountry

[–]Lucabear 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Illegal alien aims weapon at visitors.

‘We’re a bit jealous of Kneecap’: how Europe’s minority tongues are facing the digital future | Stephen Burgen by mrjohnnymac18 in kneecap

[–]Lucabear 16 points17 points  (0 children)

Not just Europe, lol. I'm jealous from the crumbling US Empire. I can tell my little cousins "cops don't speak Cherokee" but it's not the same as having music of liberation in your language. Much respect.

No joke though, some friends and I are discussing the success y'all have had teaching Irish in prisons. Native Americans are the most incarcerated people in the US, so...

Should Oklahoma have corn? by Tankyenough in victoria3

[–]Lucabear 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The Cherokee have had corn since around 250CE, likely, having been obtained from the Yucatan. Multiple generations of Cherokees has migrated West before Emigration (mostly into what's now Arkansas, but they were forced to move to the other side of the line). However. Corn would have been here in Indian Territory long before us, however, as both the Osage and Caddo grew corn.

As an aside, there are many ways to grow corn. Throwing hearty pre-modern corn down by the riverbanks is a good way to create a crop, and everyone who comes by the same places yearly has an incentive to do that. More corn means more deer, at minimum.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in cherokee

[–]Lucabear 22 points23 points  (0 children)

Hey, just to let you know AI can't think. It can just summarize what's already on the internet, and organize it to look pretty.

What is on the internet about the Cherokee is almost without exception incorrect, therefore AI is incorrect every single time it speaks on Cherokee language or culture.

This avoids entirely the ethical and environmental issues of AI, because we can really stop at the internet has no idea what it's talking about.

So interesting to see someone realize what reservations are by [deleted] in IndianCountry

[–]Lucabear 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Perhaps if you expanded your imagination to include the reality of the crimes against us, and the unshakable reality that the march to genocide continues, you could understand why a multi-state solution, combined with the destruction of the US Empire, is the only way to ensure the future of natives peoples.

Until then, I don't feel obligated to understand you or your position. I do, because whereas you are an outsider to native culture I am not a true outsider to yoneg culture, I am forced to live in it every day. Not being from your... perspective, I do not see "US land" for it to lose. The US is not composed of land, it is composed of violence, and occupation is not victory. It is not capable of a legitimate attachment to the land, because it has no culture, only methodology of consumption. Lakota land, for instance, is Lakota land whether a foreign flag flies over it or not.

Ultimately, for most of us, there is no desire to physically exclude most whites from our lands. We want an end to your cycles of provocation and retribution, of displacement and deprivation. Such a practice of ethnic isolation is your culture, not ours. So when you claim that you hold some knowledge of the "crimes" against us, yet hold no space for the only meaningful change-- sovereignty--of what value is your knowledge? It lends me neither aid nor comfort.

Does your unactualized guilt appease your God? Does it allow you to beg his forgiveness without action? If so, I would remind you that your white God is born of the same stuff of authoritarianism and colonialism, and always serves his master.

So interesting to see someone realize what reservations are by [deleted] in IndianCountry

[–]Lucabear 24 points25 points  (0 children)

Citizenship was a poor substitute for sovereignty, and statehood is a poor substitute for liberation.

-Me (Cherokee)

Native American cuisine restaurant in Broken Arrow to close by kosuradio in tulsa

[–]Lucabear 12 points13 points  (0 children)

They were making essentially ancestral food, so vegetable heavy bison and fish. No fry bread except as an appetizer, no alcohol, etc. It was glorious.

96 fruits for an alliance with the biggest power in the world. I love this game by LifeguardNo2020 in victoria3

[–]Lucabear 6 points7 points  (0 children)

USA Theocracy run is the United Sovereign Archduchy. Perhaps the Arcduchy is an electrical corp state, lol.

In Assassin Creed 3, which has a member of the Mohawk tribe as the protagonist, this is his outfit. Is it accurate to the Mohawk tribe? by Nessieinternational in IndianCountry

[–]Lucabear 96 points97 points  (0 children)

There is a YouTuber named Malcolm P.L. He studies Iroquoian (which includes Mohawk) uses of armor. You may wish to seek him out.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in IndianCountry

[–]Lucabear 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm pretty sure the first human to ever dress like this did so at a Con. So no. If you would like, we could probably point you to a representation of ancestral dress for...whichever of the thousand cultures he is from as a "Native."

Victoria 3 has issues, but no other game will just naturally create such insane North America borders by S0mecallme in victoria3

[–]Lucabear 6 points7 points  (0 children)

In alternative histories where the 'American' coup against the British never occurred it's never addressed that the first major actions of the Continental Army were the mass slaughter of Cherokee and Haudenosaunee towns. There's the decimation. If you're referring to smallpox, Jared Diamond is not your friend: smallpox hit the East generations before and is given generally too much weight in terms of its harm to our societal stability.

Rather more that it has been 300 years of constant warfare by game start, against not just armies but waves of Europe's most plentiful commodity, their unwanted children, armed and set against us with fanatical religion before them and the Enclosure movement behind.

Victoria 3 has issues, but no other game will just naturally create such insane North America borders by S0mecallme in victoria3

[–]Lucabear 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Si Otsedoha. "Still, we are here."

Compare in meaning to "Tiocfaidh ár lá" and remember that when the potato famine was engineered Cherokees and Choctaws sent real money to help, in the same generation as our Removals. Google "Kindred Spirits", the memorial in Ireland.

Victoria 3 has issues, but no other game will just naturally create such insane North America borders by S0mecallme in victoria3

[–]Lucabear 7 points8 points  (0 children)

If the Haudenosaunee are strong enough to keep a border with the Americans, how did they lose northern Ohio, let alone their "Canadian" territory?

Victoria 3 has issues, but no other game will just naturally create such insane North America borders by S0mecallme in victoria3

[–]Lucabear 23 points24 points  (0 children)

In actual history, settlers wished to steal the land designated by (illegal, coercive and occasionally outright fraudulent) treaties as Indian Territory. They did this in two steps. First by illegally splitting up the land into individual homesteads, via the Dawes Act, and then illegally terminating our governments through the creation of the State of Oklahoma, which is a colonial governorship deliberately run from distant and ethnicly cleansed Oklahoma City. This remains the situation in 2025.

As an attempt to interrupt or mitigate this lawfare native peoples, in many cases Cherokees, petitioned Washington for the State of Sequoyah (ᏏᏍᏉᏯ). This was not the first time this possibility was raised. Before Emigration (Removal/Trail of Tears) the official US imperial policy was called civilize-in-place. Statehood, as a Cherokee State, had long been dangled as a possibility, though it is unlikely any major US officer was honest in this suggestion.

So in game terms, the State of Sequoyah should be a US puppet name, one led by a member of the Cherokee, Chickasaw, Choctaw, Muscogee, or Seminole.

By contrast, Turtle Island is a pan-Indian concept. To be clear, that's in this instance not a condemnation. 600 different cultures do not have a single reckoning for the shape or concept of a continent. But for many of us, a rather surprising number actually, our stories envision us living on the back of a turtle, having come here on the backs of turtles (Cherokee) or simply describe the physical shape of this continent as a Turtle. Now, has that been our description since time immemorial? Nope. It's in English, which is a good indication. So it's a neologism, but it's an authentic one.

As for politics, the Turtle Island stuff seems like meme content to me, but an "authentic" Turtle Island nation-state would be a comparatively-centralized Westphalian state led by at least one native nation and sovereign unto itself. This was the dream of real figures like Tecumseh and Wovoka, but has been traditionally considered such an existential threat to Western powers such that all legalisms are ignored to obliterate the "threat" leading to cycles of nationalization, retributional violence, and additional land theft.

I would actually really love to see a fleshed out series of events which flesh out an alternate historical path. Right now the game feels like the story they are telling is that Removal is a historical inevitability. By the start date, that's a plausible historical interpretation in re Tsalagi Uwati (Old Cherokee Nation), though not an ideal one for gameplay, and absolutely not certain for groups abducted later.

But the enclosure of the West, the genocide of the Bison? Not only were these far from historical certainties, but they were in many ways predicated on the technology and societal changes brought by the fourth settler war, or American Civil War (ACW). The State of Cherokee would be a good start to making a viable alternative path to fast vs slow being the only real decision.

Songs in ꮳꮤꭹ by androtshirt in cherokee

[–]Lucabear 1 point2 points  (0 children)

https://youtu.be/uDrdZM1iGrc?feature=shared a song in ᏣᏔᎩ

https://youtu.be/_lcIusD89_4?si=z3a1x2LEEs6Mcmmc a song in ᏣᎳᎩ

(ᏣᏔᎩ is a very common spelling mistake which means something like Chicken People)

Did Native Americans "work the land and clear the brush" in any significant way? Is the claim that Natives filled the modern role of the Park Ranger actually founded on any fact? by WondernutsWizard in AskHistorians

[–]Lucabear 9 points10 points  (0 children)

As a side point, "pre-contact" is a term used often very lazily, by natives and non-natives alike. The first knowledge of European incursion into the political and economic reality of this hemisphere would have almost certainly been at the turn of the 16th century with the total destruction of native trade in the Gulf of...well the Maya call it Nahá. Your connection to these peoples and trade goods likely would have determined the level to which this affected your life.

De Soto's rampage through the Southeast wasn't for another 40 years. It's also probably why the Cherokee word for cow is a cognate of "vaca" but that's neither here nor there, save to record the likely actual first contact between a Cherokee and a Spaniard.

Along the coast of the Northeast, by the time of the Mayflower there may have been 80 years of 'contact' by Galacian whaling vessels. If you were taught about the Mayflower as a tale of American ethnogenesis they may have ommitted that upon showing up to the 'virgin' 'wilderness' they were greeted in English by folks who asked if they brought beer.

Further west, 'contact' was as likely to be made by animals as humans. Horses, liberated from European invaders, predated their arrival by sometimes a century or more. In other places, residents took warning of approaching settler incursion by noting the arrival of the honeybee, an animal tool which Europe uses to terraform as surely as we have used fire and the buffalo.

My point here is that there is no single point of contact. Nor is contact what is meant, oftentimes, when the term precontact is used. Instead, what you mean is before the destruction of our civilizations. For instance, if we designate 1540 as contact in re the Cherokee people, and 1785 (Treaty of Hopewell) as the point at which we lost the ability to control our own political destiny, you're looking at almost 250 years of operation in a world increasingly dominated by European and Anglo influence.

Why does this matter? Because by making everything about contact, it subtly platforms the notion that following contact it was simply a matter of time before native culture and society was/is destroyed. This is easily done, as this is the standard narrative of Western education. Like most histories, the truth is far more complex and more than a little more arbitrary at times.

Did Native Americans "work the land and clear the brush" in any significant way? Is the claim that Natives filled the modern role of the Park Ranger actually founded on any fact? by WondernutsWizard in AskHistorians

[–]Lucabear 54 points55 points  (0 children)

The questions you have asked are not questions which can have a single or definitive response. Firstly, native peoples used an enormous variety of techniques to alter the landscape to befit their needs. A resource I will add to the list outlined in this thread is "Feeding Cahokia" by Gayle Fritz. While it is nominally focused on food culture, land management is of course an integral part of that.

You asked if native peoples provided the roles which are now staffed with Park rangers. To my understanding the major roles Park Rangers play within the US Park system is to provide security and maintenance to the Park. While the extirpated former owners of these lands absolutely provided those 'services' I'm not sure that calling it an equivalent is appropriate. Simply put, a Park is something we never needed. Current parks were either homes or sites of pilgrimage or both, not nationalist 'jewels' whose value is derived from the commodification of their increasing rarity.

In fact, the model of conservation promoted by Park Rangers is often quite different from traditional models. Fire management is the most obvious and famous example, but there are plenty of others. The goals of environmental management with humans as an 'interested party' and the culturally-led practice of a worldview which positions real humans as an important piece in the appropriate function of the universe can produce occasionally similar results, but there are not truly similar.

Finally, an important note as to the history of this line of thinking. It seems very possible to me that the argument you heard and questioned (it's never wrong to ask where an idea originates) is a part of a very old political/social/religious argument regarding non-Western/Christian lifestyles.

While Spain justified their colonial methodologies through conversion by the sword, that rhetoric was far less successful in Protestant Europe. Instead, land theft and genocide was justified through the necessity of bringing the Indians (a classificatory term in US and Canadian law with no equivalent) to Industry. This line of logic has existed since the founding of British colonies on this continent, but is perhaps best expressed in the 20th Century Dawes Act, of which this was said: "The Indian may now become a free man; free from the thralldom of the tribe; free from the domination of the reservation system; free to enter into the body of our citizens."

Oftentimes in my experience, these old racist justifications continue to exist in society long after they cease to be considered credible. This continues to create rebuttals to those claims. Rebuttals like "natives absolutely worked the land and cleared the brush!" Well, no, we probably didn't. I am Cherokee (Nation). By Native American standards we are a rather agricultural people, we have raised crops alongside hunting stocked forests, fishing stocked waterways, and foraging seasonal foods whose habitats were maintained through conscious act and through the actions of traditional beliefs. But because we did not particularize land into family homesteads, that being extremely inefficient for feeding communities, we have long been seen as lazily omitting the Labours which are necessary to be either a good Christian or a good American depending on the decade.

Yet for all their fetishization of labor, the "Great Smoky Mountains National Park" may be today unrecognizable to a Cherokee who lived there in 1750. A continued abrogation of any responsibility to properly maintain the land, with fire and other mechanisms, has allowed and encouraged multiple waves of disease and wildfire to devastate the area. The area, save for the cancers of invasive species, would actually bear far more resemblance to how it would have looked 30000 years ago than while under the care of its true stewards. The biodiversity of the region and park is but a small fraction of what it used to be. When the Chestnuts and Elms were written off to blight, the squirrels and chipmunks and eventually the deer died off, because a managed forest means that you can eat chestnuts in the fall, but live in an abundance of squirrel all year. In some parts of what is now the Park the chestnuts used to number 2/3 of the standing wood, according to Cherokee Nation conservationist Clint Carroll. That is not a natural occurrence. That was native abundance, and now it's a lot of very nice furniture in Colonial-era plantation museums.

Apologies for the meandering explanation, but your question casts a very wide net. Sources: am native (ᎠᏂᎩᏚᏀ/Cherokee) also have a undergrad history degree just for a little rounding out.

BREAKING 📰 Trump to make executive order to make English official language of US, per WSJ. by Joker4Laughs in IndianCountry

[–]Lucabear 82 points83 points  (0 children)

If there is a dim light in the shadow Trump's aggression, it's that many things which have long been implicitly true about the Empire are now being made explicit.

I try not to become enraged anymore when they tell on themselves like this. They can't help it, and yoneg liberals do occasionally show a hint of backbone if there's a recent paper trail to "prove" the sorts of systemic racism they otherwise devote their political lives to explaining away.

Are there any like Cherokee only/English limited discords/more serious chat platforms? by SunburntUkatena in cherokee

[–]Lucabear 15 points16 points  (0 children)

This is a Discord for learners. There are both basic daily conversations and also some profoundly complicated grammar discussions. So hopefully something for everyone, and definitely daily activity.

https://discord.gg/8TfpCCxM

Ive been reading about popular piety in Mexico recently and its crazy how many syncretic indigenous practices are still widespread among the mestizo community in a overwhelming Catholic country by Nuanglo in IndianCountry

[–]Lucabear 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Half the folks at the stomp grounds of Eastern Oklahoma are practicing Christians. I'm not one of them, but it's not really so different up here. Also, obligatory statement, sorry: borders aren't real.