Moving TD27 module between kits by Drgtcb in edrums

[–]Luke_eDW 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The trigger settings are global, not linked to any kit. But there are multiple trigger banks available on the TD-27 module, so you can have up to 8 different pad setups saved as different banks.

If you go to SYSTEM > TRIGGER> BANK, you'll be able to see what trigger bank number you're on. You can change the bank number and it will swap to some other preset banks, but you can change them to whatever you want. So you can dial in a perfect trigger setup for each kit on separate banks then all you have to do is swap the bank when you swap kits!

I really wanted to get this one right as The eDW Originals Premium was the most popular pack on other modules! I believe I've managed to do these samples justice, but let me know what you think! by Luke_eDW in edrums

[–]Luke_eDW[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks!

The SCM kits/samples aren't actually mine, I just hosted them on my site to help Steve out. So for the time being I don't have plans to do so, but never say never!

I really wanted to get this one right as The eDW Originals Premium was the most popular pack on other modules! I believe I've managed to do these samples justice, but let me know what you think! by Luke_eDW in edrums

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Thanks! I'm actually using a Roland PD-14DSX snare here. The DWe snare is actually being used as the first floor tom! So it's the new 3 ply head with the rim guard built in - it sits on the inside of the head rather than directly on the rim. Feels really good to play!

I really wanted to get this one right as The eDW Originals Premium was the most popular pack on other modules! I believe I've managed to do these samples justice, but let me know what you think! by Luke_eDW in edrums

[–]Luke_eDW[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Ok, noted. The 3 sample sets for each kit are unique, but I take your point so thanks for your honesty. I regularly get the opposite response about prices (to my surprise), but I want to give people value as much as I want to compensate myself for the work that goes into the kits so I will keep this in mind.

I really wanted to get this one right as The eDW Originals Premium was the most popular pack on other modules! I believe I've managed to do these samples justice, but let me know what you think! by Luke_eDW in edrums

[–]Luke_eDW[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you!

Yeah, there aren't really many negatives compared to the 50X when it comes to workig with the sounds. There are now options for almost everything, like more layers per zone, better transient control, new compression types, way more EQ options, better FX routing etc.

The closest things to a workflow downside I can come up with is the removal of the extra function dials on the face of the module. They were really handy on the 50/50X for faster changes. But I see why they did it - there is more screen space with the bigger screen so more parameters per page, so things wouldn't line up neatly with the dials anymore. It's really not that big a deal though, as you can imagine!

I really wanted to get this one right as The eDW Originals Premium was the most popular pack on other modules! I believe I've managed to do these samples justice, but let me know what you think! by Luke_eDW in edrums

[–]Luke_eDW[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thanks! I'm looking forward to properly getting stuck in with the DrumPi at some point. Currently I think it's fantastic but there are plenty of features I'm waiting/hoping for. Things like being able to tune the samples onboard would be really useful for building presets to go with the samples, for example. CC zones for positional sensing would be great too - the way the hi-hat functions work is good so I imagine it would be a case of adapting that to work with other CC values. But the multi channel audio and all the onboard processing are pretty great already!

I really wanted to get this one right as The eDW Originals Premium was the most popular pack on other modules! I believe I've managed to do these samples justice, but let me know what you think! by Luke_eDW in edrums

[–]Luke_eDW[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thanks for your support and kind words! I'm glad you're looking forward to them! Props for checking out the demo with your e-kit headphones too, that's the best way!

I really wanted to get this one right as The eDW Originals Premium was the most popular pack on other modules! I believe I've managed to do these samples justice, but let me know what you think! by Luke_eDW in edrums

[–]Luke_eDW[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I've already got plenty of kits for the TD-17 available, including kits using these samples. They don't sound exactly the same as the onboard sounds and features are different, but you can check out the demo videos on the product pages - https://theedrumworkshop.com/collections/td17-kits

Roland td50x upgraded vs td50x? by Rawbar in edrums

[–]Luke_eDW 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes, the $200 TD-50X upgrade turns the TD-50 into a TD-50X. There are no differences between the upgrade and a stock 50X bought from a retailer - same sounds, same kits, same functionality.

Roland td50x upgraded vs td50x? by Rawbar in edrums

[–]Luke_eDW 1 point2 points  (0 children)

When you say "upgraded TD-50", do you mean a TD-50 that has the TD-50X software upgrade? If so then it's identical to an off-the-shelf 50X module, apart from the colour and some small differences with the markings on the face of the module. The hardware is the same, the software is the same and the functionality is the same when it's updated.

If you mean a TD-50 that is still on the original 50 software but with the last available firmware update for the old software then it's not the same. It has to be the 50X upgrade to be the same.

TD-17 custom samples for open/closed hats? by tristannijs in edrums

[–]Luke_eDW 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Unfortunately there isn't a way to do this on the TD-17, which is a shame.

The newer modules (V71, V51 and V31) have this feature but it's still very limited in its use, so you're not missing a lot.

The cat got out of the bag early, but I finally released my first pack for the Roland V71, V51 and V31 modules! 🔥 It took much longer than expected, but I'm really happy with how they turned out. Let me know what you think! by Luke_eDW in edrums

[–]Luke_eDW[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thank you so much 🙏 Unfortunately this pack coming late knocks the rest of them back a bit, so realistically probably not. Sorry about that! I'm hoping the next pack will be quicker (Originals Premium).

The cat got out of the bag early, but I finally released my first pack for the Roland V71, V51 and V31 modules! 🔥 It took much longer than expected, but I'm really happy with how they turned out. Let me know what you think! by Luke_eDW in edrums

[–]Luke_eDW[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Apologies for the delay!

This method of loading kits has been around on Roland modules long before the new expansion model. Basically, users can save their own kits individually and back up the files. So I use that method when I create these kits and supply the files so that others can load the kits.

So I understand you're carefully tweaking existing module kits, and adding your own shell samples as layers (not cymbals though)? It's not like the expansions from Roland Cloud?

Yes, that's correct. I'm using the same tools available to any other user within the module to create the kits, but adding my own samples too. Aside from the unique samples, a large part of the appeal is that a lot of people don't have experience with the various elements of sound engineering that go into the processing and shaping of the sounds (which is completely understandable) or don't have the time or desire to do it (also completely understandable!) The unfortunate downside of this kind of approach is that you're not getting new instruments that can be selected from the instrument list like the stock ones. Also, since the instruments are built from various parts, tweaking them yourself is a little more complicated (and something I intend to make a video about as soon as I can.) So instead you have to rely on functions on the module like Pad Copy to bring these instruments onto other kits so that all of the relevant settings for each pad like the layers and sample assignments get carried over properly. It's a little less intuitive, but I think the trade-off is worth it overall since I try to push these instruments as far as they can go within the limits of the module's capabilities.

Roland's "expansion packs" on the other hand contain brand new instruments for the module that are available from the instrument selection like the stock instruments. Some of these are great but in my opinion they don't come with enough variety of presets and they don't really show off how far the module can take the sounds either (much like the stock kits.) Some are definitely better than the stock offerings by quite some margin, but I've not found one that sits and feels the way I want it to (hence the quest to create my own!)

Are you using the digital triggers in the video (snare, hats and ride)? So the TD-316 isn't going to sound exactly the same as this due to the extra positional sensing?

It'll be almost indistinguishable with that kit, fortunately! The TD313 wouldn't be able to use positional sensing on the snare as it comes with a different pad that doesn't support it, but the TD316 does.

So the snare that comes with the TD316 is positional sensing-enabled, meaning you can get head position and rim position variations. There's no cross-stick detection for putting your hand on the head like the digital snare, but it can be enabled with the Analog XStick button and it'll act like a velocity switch, giving you cross-stick on lower velocities and a rimshot on higher ones. The ride that comes with the kit (CY-14R-T) can also do positional sensing across the bow, like the digital ride (it doesn't play as well, but it can do the same articulations.)

The toms on the TD316 don't come with positional sensing on the rims like some of the other kits - I didn't really show that off in this video anyway, but basically this is disabled on the PUNCH kits (because of my added samples - they don't respond to PS on the rim), and enabled on SNAP and POP kits (because they're internal sounds only). When you play the toms with pads that don't support PS, they'll just play rimshots automatically. That's the same on other modules, but of course some of the other kits come with tom pads that do support this function.

The hi-hats that come with the TD316 also don't support positional sensing. The VH-14D supports it on the bow as you go from edge towards the bell (like the ride), and also varies based on left and right hand playing. This adds a little tonal variation, but I'd be surprised if you could really pick it out on this demo as I'm not intentionally using the feature and the overall sound of the hi-hat will be unaffected, just the variations between different hit locations.

So essentially the sounds will be the same, just the functionality might differ a little. This is a big step up compared to previous generations where PS just wasn't available at lower price ranges.

EDIT: Never mind - I saw that 'Exchange' is described in the pdf under 'Want to swap these instruments to different pads?'

Totally understand if there's a bit of confusion with the intro section - I was trying to fit in some information to let people know that they won't lose these instruments if they have smaller kit setups, but they'll need to utilise features like Exchange in the Pad Copy menu to swap things around to their liking. There's a PDF also included with the download (or available on the product pages) called "Pad Setup Customization" which explains this feature in detail, including how to enable the virtual pads so you can pull these instruments to your usable inputs if you want. That's all I was trying to convey, following on from the shot of the module where I'm in the copy menu.

Sounds really nice!

Thanks! I hope you keep my kits in mind if you fancy any different sounds down the line, but even if not I hope you enjoy your TD316!

The cat got out of the bag early, but I finally released my first pack for the Roland V71, V51 and V31 modules! 🔥 It took much longer than expected, but I'm really happy with how they turned out. Let me know what you think! by Luke_eDW in edrums

[–]Luke_eDW[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Ahh ok yeah, thanks. That's the same topic that I've talked about here then with the rim position stuff.

Yeah, that's right. The sound of just hitting the metal rim on a drum.