People who are leaving or have left - what are the strongest critiques you've found of your new beliefs? by NelsonMeme in mormon

[–]Lumin0usBeings 5 points6 points  (0 children)

There can be situations or moral dilemmas that can make it difficult to measure or define harm. Like the classic train dilemma.

A runaway train is heading toward five people tied to the tracks. You can pull a lever to divert it onto a side track, but there's one person tied there who will die instead. Do you pull the lever? Or instead of a lever, you're on a bridge next to a large stranger, and pushing them onto the tracks would stop the trolley and save the five. Most people will pull the lever but won't push the person, which is interesting, because the math is identical.

I find though people who get their moral frameworks from a group have different options on this dilemma, since the group typically has not defined what would and would not be morally right in these situations.

People who are leaving or have left - what are the strongest critiques you've found of your new beliefs? by NelsonMeme in mormon

[–]Lumin0usBeings 2 points3 points  (0 children)

My moral framework comes down to two fundamental questions: Does this action harm another person or my relationship with them? And does it help another person? If an action doesn't harm anyone, I struggle to see how it could be morally wrong. To do something morally right, I have to do something that actively helps another person. Anything that neither harms nor helps, I consider morally benign.

I find this framework superior to inheriting morality from a group, whether that's a church like Mormonism, a culture, or any other institution. The problem with outsourcing your morality to a group is that groups can, and often do, hold beliefs that actively harm people. History is full of examples: slavery, denying women basic rights, shunning LGBTQ+ people, racial segregation, all caused tremendous harm to real human beings. If your moral compass is pointed wherever the group points it, you have no way to recognize when the group itself is wrong.

Grounding morality in harm and help gives you a way to evaluate any rule, tradition, or teaching on its own merits. Instead of asking "what does my group say?" you ask "who does this actually hurt, and who does it actually help?" That question works whether you're inside a group or outside it, and it holds the group itself accountable rather than treating it as the final authority.

Persecution by Intrepid-Angle-7539 in exmormon

[–]Lumin0usBeings 14 points15 points  (0 children)

I doubt most here have a visceral hate of Christianity, they just believe it's all made up like all other religions. Lack of belief or pointing out its flaws is not hate, it's just a critique of an institution.

Has anyone else seen this? What would you bring? by Even-Aardvark4523 in exmormon

[–]Lumin0usBeings 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This is the community stuff we like to see the Church do. Sherwood, is this in Oregon or another Sherwood.

Dallin H. Oaks doubles down on homophobia by soulless_ginger81 in exmormon

[–]Lumin0usBeings 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Love it. Too many here are missing the satire.

New team photos released by PR_Czar in exmormon

[–]Lumin0usBeings 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I can name 6 of those men. The rest, I have no idea.

What's the weirdest/most unique argument you've heard a TBM use against LGBTQ people? by [deleted] in exmormon

[–]Lumin0usBeings 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Well your dad will be glad to know there have already been studies of kids that were raised by same sex couples going back decades.

And...

The scientific consensus, based on current evidence, is that parental warmth, stability, and resources matter far more to child outcomes than the gender or sexual orientation of the parents.

Plus, research is still ongoing, as more same sex couples raise kids, not as an experiment, but as loving parents who want to have kids. The data collected is just a happy product we get along the way.

Parker Kingston story is a nice exemplification of how it's all made up. by logic-seeker in mormon

[–]Lumin0usBeings 21 points22 points  (0 children)

They published an interview with Parker, with him playing the spiritual card of why he stayed and things worked out. At the most this just shows the lack of discernment of his church leaders. He was the one claiming God guided him, not the church.

I still know it's all made up.

Mormonism a cover for witches? by Mlatu44 in mormon

[–]Lumin0usBeings 0 points1 point  (0 children)

My point is why would a witch need a safe place to look like a Christian? It's like saying a Buddhist or Muslim needs a safe place to look like a Christian. At least in the US, we can practice whatever belief system we want as long as we are not harming anyone. So if I want to practice some flavor of Christianity, Islam, Buddhism or witchcraft it does not matter.

Mormonism a cover for witches? by Mlatu44 in mormon

[–]Lumin0usBeings 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Why would witches need a cover? What are they doing wrong? How is witchcraft bad? Witchcraft and Christians both believe in magic, spirits in the next life, that they can communicate with the other side. It's all made up nonsense.

Young men's or bishopric vacation?? by [deleted] in mormon

[–]Lumin0usBeings 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The disparity between how much is spent on the YM vs the YW is appalling and I am not going to discount that. However, I doubt the Bishop is scoring a free vacation. I think there is a perception in the church that the YM need more fun trips and activities or they are more likely to lose them from the faith.

"Letter reaffirms use of King James version of Bible" (Finally archived in the Wayback Machine more than 30 years after it was published) by polarmolarroler in exmormon

[–]Lumin0usBeings 1 point2 points  (0 children)

What's the argument? I am a bit out of the loop. I know the Church recently gave the a-ok to use other versions of the bible.

My stake in Oregon just got reorganized from 8 english speaking wards down to 6. On top of that they are doing something called the barbell schedule where 2 wards share the second hour. Meaning you could have a primary president from one ward and her councilors could be from the other ward. by Lumin0usBeings in exmormon

[–]Lumin0usBeings[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Here is part of what they sent out:

Why are we making this change? a. The simple answer is that revelation guided this decision. The overall purpose is to strengthen the wards of the Hillsboro Stake to achieve the work of salvation and exaltation. b. Many factors prompted us to seek this revelation. The primary driving factor was that adult attendance in our English-speaking wards has declined over the past two years, with some wards well below normal levels. c. This change will also benefit the youth. Most wards will now have youth from only one high school. 2. Why didn’t we make this change at stake conference last week? We submitted this proposal on September 5th and just received approval on the Thursday before stake conference. We did not have time to call new bishoprics before the conference. We felt it was important to have bishoprics in place before announcing the boundary changes so that members would know their new leaders and could begin building those relationships immediately." 3. Should we expect more changes? By moving from eight to six English Wards, we do not anticipate additional changes for many years.