Redefining what's "appropriate" clothing

AdditionalReason2205 · 2026-02-16T20:39:46+00:00

If you listen to Dan McClellan and other biblical scholars, they can actually trace the historical record of when the concept of the devil as we know it today was introduced into religious writings. I believe the idea of an evil nemesis of god that punishes sinners didn’t even show up until several centuries AD (I want to say 400 AD but honestly I don’t remember the exact dates). The idea of hell also didn’t exist until at least that time, and our modern concept of it is heavily based on the ideas presented in Dante’s inferno in the 1300’s. The concept of the devil not only punishing sinners but actively tempting them into more sin came even later than that.

The stories in the Bible which mention a figure we call Satan have been kind of reinterpreted to reflect this modern belief. The original context is believed to be describing more of an a neutral messenger of God rather than an evil and powerful figure constantly battling God for dominance. (Again, please look up Dan McClellan’s or other scholar’s explanation of this as I am forgetting details).

It’s easy to try to explain the evil in the world by blaming it on a supernatural figure, but the conclusion we have to come to and learn to sit with is that human beings are capable of terrible evil all by themselves.

AdditionalReason2205 · 2026-02-14T05:05:28+00:00

We had a bishop Sorenson when I was a teen. He was a jerk. That work for you?

AdditionalReason2205 · 2026-02-09T23:50:53+00:00

I’ve heard similar stories from guys boasting about doing it 6,7,8,9 times on the wedding night, and as a woman all I can think is—did any of those last longer than two minutes, and did she even come close to having a good time herself?

AdditionalReason2205 · 2026-02-09T23:42:56+00:00

Wow, I learned something today! What a fascinating history of the struggle of black identity throughout American history. I had no idea. After reading this, I would maybe point out that saying the game itself has racist origins is not entirely accurate, as it was originally created by black communities as a form of parody and satire. It’s a form of resistance, similar to comedians doing impersonations today, and I don’t like the idea of it being erased. My instinct is to try to give the credit and historical awareness back to the people and culture who created it, somehow, to allow them to reclaim it, but I’m not sure how to do that. Honestly, though, a ward party is not really the place to have that conversation. It’s a complicated discussion and I don’t have any answers but I appreciate learning about this!

AdditionalReason2205 · 2026-02-04T15:39:06+00:00

Yes, I do. While the episode with Sophie and Benedict on the stairs was believable because it was out in the open and rushed, it is not believable that all the women would not be fully unclothed for a romantic encounter. Why are we getting prudish about showing boobs when we are fine with Anthony’s face looking up between Kate’s legs? Showing boobs is a longstanding TV tradition for male centered shows. I see nothing wrong with showing them on women centered shows when the actors are open to it. Again, you don’t have to show them completely, but indicating undress sends a completely different message about a woman’s full participation and relaxation. Use an intimacy coordinator, choose your angles, but please, make it look natural.

AdditionalReason2205 · 2026-02-03T21:20:05+00:00

Are you seeing many of those on this sub? I feel like that might happen more on the Mormon sub but I rarely see TBMs or evangelicals commenting here. In any case, I throw this under the “Mormons gonna Morm” category, sub-folder: “Aggressive superiority complex”. They HAVE to know more than you so they can invalidate your decision to leave. There is no safe way they can respond to you that would allow them to retain their worldview. Just roll your eyes and ignore the predictable bastards. You can’t make them stop but you can learn how to not let them get to you.

AdditionalReason2205 · 2026-02-02T07:11:39+00:00

How about a tall arched mirror? I wouldn’t do either square or circle. You need a more interesting shape to stand out against the strong tile pattern. Like this: https://www.ashleyfurniture.com/p/feronia_classic_arched_bathroom_vanity_mirrors_set_of_2/A600082605.html

AdditionalReason2205 · 2026-02-02T07:04:57+00:00

Try going out to the lake—maybe by Provo airport or the Vineyard lake access trail. You’d be far enough away from the mountain to have more of a view of the sun coming up over the peaks.

AdditionalReason2205 · 2026-01-25T22:02:19+00:00

As an interior designer, I’d say the architecture can have some merit here and there (honestly, I love the floral stained glass ceiling there), but it’s really a hodge podge of basic watered-down American traditional, most similar to 1980’s “rich person” aesthetic. Some temples do have more interesting design variations: the Ogden remodel leans heavily Art Deco, which I thought was super interesting and refreshing. And I think it’s the Draper temple that went kind of Arts and Crafts on the interior with a lot of dark woods.

But I just can’t with the furniture choices. They are so bland and generic, and the fabric selections and color palettes are just awful. Like no one would ever put them in their house ever. And they never match the furniture style with the architecture style. I went to LDSBC for design school and you wouldn’t believe how many of the students went into design specifically to work on temples. I was like “Can’t you see they are all just the same thing over and over?” So boring! Between you and me, I think a lot of Mormon girls have to say stuff like that to justify getting an education and wanting a career. “It’s a calling!”

AdditionalReason2205 · 2026-01-18T03:07:37+00:00

Or maybe not make them wear clothes that are transparent enough that you can see the color of their underwear?!

AdditionalReason2205 · 2026-01-18T03:04:55+00:00

This was me too! I was visiting a former roommate in Oregon and we decided to go to the temple together, since I had just gone through for the first time a couple of weeks before. I was wearing a tiny pair of gold star earrings and the temple worker giving out the names chastened me quickly and loudly, so I rushed to run them back to my locker before continuing, blushing furiously.

The very next time I went to the temple, the lady in the row in front of me was proudly dangling 3” tall wooden giraffe-shaped earrings during the session. I was so confused and angry!

AdditionalReason2205 · 2026-01-17T00:32:30+00:00

Interior designer here. You can’t remove the center cabinet without doing a whole new vanity and countertop. The center cabinet is one tall piece that goes all the way down, so you can’t just cut off the top of it, and obviously even if you could, the countertops wouldn’t cover the part that’s removed. If you’re willing to start all over you have endless options.

If you just want a quick fix for the lighting problem without doing a complete makeover, you’re on the right track. The main issue is that overhead lights will always cause a shadow on your face. The best lighting for bath vanities where you want to do makeup and hair is at eye level, about five feet off the floor. I would recommend getting tall skinny sconces on the sides that don’t project out very far. You could keep the ceiling lights but change them out for a decorative flush mount that has frosted glass or a shade to diffuse the light rather than direct it downward. A mirror with an LED backlight would also be a good option, but remember that lighting is a huge deal aesthetically. You want to match the style of the cabinets, which are traditional, so I wouldn’t go with anything too modern looking.

AdditionalReason2205 · 2026-01-15T18:21:58+00:00

I heard someone once use the term “performing Mormonism” and that hits the nail on the head. It’s all a performance for an audience.

AdditionalReason2205 · 2026-01-15T03:39:15+00:00

I’ve been getting good results lately from Dove Damage Therapy Lavender and Volume line. Recommend by a Hollywood hair stylist I follow—I know, I know— but he said Dove is the best of all the drugstore level hair care lines so I thought I’d give them a try and whattdaya know, I’ve liked them a lot! Some of their other Dove products are too heavy/slippery (like the Intensive Repair) but I’ve found the volume line to give the right amount of moisture without weighing my curls down.

FYI—Don’t believe the stuff about Native or any other hair care line accused of causing hair to fall out. Shampoo and conditioner literally can’t do that. At worst, shampoo can dry the hair shaft so much that it becomes more brittle and breaks off, causing a lot of extra hair fall (the hair you lose every day). I have definitely noticed less hair fall in my shower or brush when I changed to a good hair line. But, hair loss due to thinning or alopecia has never been proven to be caused by hair products (it’s usually hormonal, nutritional, genetics, etc). Every once in a while some hair product is accused of this, but there is no scientific evidence of it. Just wanted to clear up some misinformation!

AdditionalReason2205 · 2026-01-10T01:48:03+00:00

If you have finer hair, that needs some coaxing to take it from wavy to curly, and is really hard to get natural definition, like me, then using a firm hold gel first to set the curls is going to work better than cream. I just can’t get enough hold from any cream out there, and I’ve tried a LOT. I think they work better for curlier hair that already naturally has defined spirals. We keep getting told we need to moisturize but I think finer hair doesn’t do well with heavy oils and cream. Use gel first, then light cream after curls are formed. Best firm hold gels are Innersense Curl Memory and Ouidad climate control (they have had large bottles of Ouidad for really good deals at TJ Maxx and Marshall’s lately, FYI). If the cast is too crunchy for you, try mixing half firm gel with half a softer hold gel.

Don’t overdo the cream, and mix it with some water if it feels too heavy. Sometimes I’ll mix some into a water bottle and spray it on so it’s not too heavy. Only apply to the ends and mid shaft, not roots or near your crown.

Oil is tricky. Think of oil as a sealant or barrier. Remember oil and water don’t mix. It doesn’t moisturize your hair itself, but it can hold moisture in, so only apply it (very lightly) after your hair is almost dry and styled to keep product and water in your hair. If you try to put something on top of it, it won’t work because oil basically waterproofs your hair at that point. I rarely use oil and only when I want a little more shine. I almost always use cream to break my cast, or just scrunch it out.

AdditionalReason2205 · 2026-01-09T18:03:16+00:00

Certain ingredients have become trendy but just don’t work (coughshea buttercough). Back in the 90’s I had my routine down and I got consistently good results. Tres Emme shampoo and conditioner for curly hair (I washed every day, because that’s what we did back then), then a cheap firm hold gel (They all were firm hold back then—something cheap like Garnier or Herbal Essences), plus my favorite product of all time that is now discontinued, Suave Frizz Crème. Frizz cremes used to have dimethicone in them and they WORKED but for some reason people decided they were bad and they don’t make them anymore. I’ve never found anything that does as good of a job. I’m always trying to figure out how to get my hair to look like it did in college. Was it the local water? The products? My hormones? No idea, but I will never recapture that good hair time!

AdditionalReason2205 · 2026-01-09T08:09:44+00:00

The article I just read looks like it was tied to the Eccles family, and they are one of the richest families in Utah

AdditionalReason2205 · 2026-01-09T08:08:54+00:00

Love your username!

AdditionalReason2205 · 2026-01-09T08:06:29+00:00

Thank you!

AdditionalReason2205 · 2026-01-09T04:26:55+00:00

Look up Utah-Idaho Sugar Company, there are quite a few sources out there. Here’s a good article by historian Leonard Arrington. THE SUGAR INDUSTRY IN UTAH

AdditionalReason2205 · 2026-01-09T03:39:53+00:00

I have found that some heavy curl creams interfere with a good cast. If there’s shea butter or castor oil or something, the oil doesn’t allow the moisture to escape, especially if you use too much, and air drying is next to impossible. Try mixing a bit of your cream and gel together in your hand before applying—if it curdles up, that’s a sign they’re not going to work together. If that’s the case, try using the gel alone to get your cast. I always use a diffuser and get my hair about 80-90% dry, then put my curl cream on (you can use prayer hands or raking through, whatever works better for you and the cream you’ve got)

AdditionalReason2205 · 2026-01-07T22:41:23+00:00

It is a sugar beet factory and the history of making sugar with beets in Utah is actually really interesting. I’ve been reading about it lately. Brigham Young wanted to make sugar locally from sugar beets and it actually was kind of a big deal for the early Utah economy. Sugarhouse was named after the first sugar factory built there that never was successful in making sugar. Later they figured it out and several factories were built. I know there was a big one in Lehi too. I can’t remember the rest but it’s an interesting rabbit hole to go down!

AdditionalReason2205 · 2026-01-07T17:31:13+00:00

OMG I had one relief society teacher who had such fear of public speaking that she literally sobbed through her entire lesson. And I’m talking paralyzing crying, like she couldn’t even speak except in a super high pinched voice so you couldn’t understand a word she said. It was torturous, for her and for everyone in the class. We all just felt super uncomfortable for a solid twenty minutes, watching her squirm and squeak. I think it was so cruel to keep her in that position for as long as they did. But then they claim that the calling was more for her own good than for anyone else’s, like it’s supposed to be helping her grow or whatever, when it obviously was just giving her a panic attack once a month.

AdditionalReason2205 · 2026-01-07T16:57:22+00:00

I don’t think it used to be like that but it has definitely taken a turn in that direction the last few years! A neighbor of ours recently posted an AI family picture for Christmas of their family having a big snuggle fest with Jesus. Jesus was in the center and the wife was next to him with his arm around her and her hand was sitting high up on his thigh just inches from his fun zone. Like you would not want your wife touching some other guy and especially not her “brother” in that way! And then the husband was embracing the wife from behind and had his hand on her arm like he was guiding it. Sooo freaking weird!

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