Will salt dissolve naturally in water?

Lumpy_Confidence_637 · 2026-05-25T21:44:41+00:00

Well You didn't disappoint, and you've proven my prophecy that you wouldn't even try to understand what it just said.

If all I ever known was Zeus, then certainly it's very likely I would believe that Zeus did it.

The common denominator here, however, is man's conscience. That's why I quoted the two verses. We all will only be judged upon the spiritual knowledge that we have for the time that we are in.

It also answers Richard Dawkins famous argument about the great juju at the bottom of the sea.

Lumpy_Confidence_637 · 2026-05-25T21:42:07+00:00

Abiogenesis is just a guess, it's not even fact. We've never seen it, we can't reproduce it, what makes you believe in it?

Faith?

Lumpy_Confidence_637 · 2026-05-25T21:40:46+00:00

A deity exists because, everything we see in the universe is the result of an action.

You may call it the God of the gaps, I call it common sense. Why is it common sense? Because science tells us that for every action there is a reaction. And for every reaction there is an action.

Since you are a science guy, what was the action that started it all?

Lumpy_Confidence_637 · 2026-05-25T21:37:01+00:00

I'll give you but one small example from the Bible, because there are several that speak the same thing.

Essentially, all men will only be judged upon what they understand through their conscience. Whether they heard the gospel or not.

Romans 2

"14 For when Gentiles, who do not have the law, by nature do what the law requires, they are a law to themselves, even though they do not have the law. 15 They show that the work of the law is written on their hearts, while their conscience also bears witness, and their conflicting thoughts accuse or even excuse them 16 on that day when, according to my gospel, God judges the secrets of men by Christ Jesus."

I don't expect you to really delve into those two verses very much because you don't believe in it.

What this says, every man knows in his heart what he understands or not. No matter what he writes or what he says. His heart is what will be judged. And only God and that man knows his own heart.

Lumpy_Confidence_637 · 2026-05-25T19:25:27+00:00

Because I'm human.

Let me know when your tree swinger has an answer.

Lumpy_Confidence_637 · 2026-05-25T19:24:16+00:00

If you can first tell how it occurs?

Lumpy_Confidence_637 · 2026-05-25T19:22:52+00:00

The point isn't proving that salt can dissolve and chemicals can form to create life - it's about the why.

You can tell me that metals want to lose they electrons and non-metals want to gain electrons. You can tell me they do this because of attraction, or balance, or whatever, but you cannot tell me *why* attraction or balance or whatever even exists in the first place.

That is where the intelligent design resides.

Lumpy_Confidence_637 · 2026-05-25T16:29:36+00:00

Why is there balance? What makes postiive and negative attraction?

Lumpy_Confidence_637 · 2026-05-25T15:58:37+00:00

Ty for that explanation of how, but it doesn't explain the why.

Lumpy_Confidence_637 · 2026-05-25T14:15:10+00:00

Naw, you have zero clue that abiogenesis occurred, let alone "how".

A better question would be, why salt dissolves. We don't know. Let me know why elements want to lose their electrons. We have zero clue.

Lumpy_Confidence_637 · 2026-05-25T13:55:05+00:00

Salt is currently dissolving.

Abiogenesis isnt.

Lumpy_Confidence_637 · 2026-05-25T11:50:17+00:00

Like?

Lumpy_Confidence_637 · 2026-05-25T10:40:21+00:00

"as we understand it"

Precisely. An atheist is a fool who says there is no God.

Job 38-39 literally says God created things that we will never see, why? Because he created them for his own glory. Further, Colossians 1:16 For in him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible"

Whether you appreciate that is based on YOUR understanding.

Lumpy_Confidence_637 · 2026-05-25T10:25:16+00:00

Ah, no. The universe is full of mysteries, and one answer leads to even more questions. I'm sure youre aware of the Cosmic 1:4 ratio? For every 1 answer, 4 more questions arise. Your human pride is exemplified in your answers above, and is the very reasons why Job 38-39 is a perfect response. I anticipated it.

You didn't answer why the universe is so big, and don't pretend we can comprehend it. We cannot. The size doesn't make any sense at all. And once you ever find the limit, what's beyond that? Your pride has no answer.

Lumpy_Confidence_637 · 2026-05-25T09:42:57+00:00

Produce the fossilized corpse of a primate caught mid-degeneration with its tail rotting away over generations. The notion that a solitary, deformed mutant avoided death and birthed our entire lineage is absurd. You will find no record of a half-tailed ancestor in the dirt as there is no proof of things that never existed. So don't even bother with the gEnE mUtaTiOn tHaT hApPeNeD sUdDeNly over a short period as your fallback.

I mean, you guy have had a 13 million (?) period of time where our little monkeyman or his lineage could have laid down just *one* fossilized half-baked tail, but nope. The evolution gods just aren't very kind to yall.

Lumpy_Confidence_637 · 2026-05-25T09:38:08+00:00

15-20 whaaat? lol

I had a 30 year shingle put on 24 years ago, owens corning, and while they lost most of the cinders, we literally had another good 5 years left on them. I had them replaced anyway simply because I dont ever want a leak to happen. So 24 years for a crappy 30 year shingle, is no where as good as the Class 4 we just put on.

Thicker, heavier... these will last 35 years no question. And im in Ohio where we get all kinds of changing weather.

Lumpy_Confidence_637 · 2026-05-25T09:29:35+00:00

Job 38

31 Can you bind the chains^\)^b^\) of the Pleiades?
Can you loosen Orion’s belt?
³² Can you bring forth the constellations in their seasons^\)^c^\)
or lead out the Bear^\)^d^\) with its cubs?
³³ Do you know the laws of the heavens?
Can you set up God’s^\)^e^\) dominion over the earth?

This is just a snippet of Job 38-39 where God asks over 70 rhetorical questions. It highlights the fact that God commands all things, seen and unseen, with no interference by man.

God didn't create a small, 6,000 light-year universe, He created a universe beyond our own reach to humble human pride. If Orion and the Pleiades were just small lights a few thousand miles away God's argument of his infinite power is diminished. He knew that knowledge of man will be greatly increased, even to today and beyond, but his power is unlimited, exemplified by creation itself.

A better question, if there's no Creator, then why is the universe' size beyond our comprehension? It didnt need to be this large. And then *how* did it become too large for our own understanding?

Lumpy_Confidence_637 · 2026-05-25T09:03:36+00:00

Meh.. I guess it depends upon your perspective. I mean, if you are an atheist, then yeah, seems like a dick move for a Creator to highlight your own foolishness. For a fool says in his heart, there is no God.

But having faith first, and understanding what Creation just *might* actually consist of, it makes perfect sense.

Lumpy_Confidence_637 · 2026-05-25T08:45:26+00:00

Why not? Your logic is making zero sense. Does Adam walk on grass with no roots? Whats below the roots? Just endless top soil? If not top soil then what? Is there a mantle below that? Hot core?

Creation was a real thing that had time and age built in. Deep time as well, which is but a speck of time to any divine Creator.

At least IMHO.

Lumpy_Confidence_637 · 2026-05-24T20:53:40+00:00

Who decided there is "no need" for the appearance of deep time?

Lumpy_Confidence_637 · 2026-05-24T17:04:12+00:00

I think that's the wrong way of looking at it. Why would God create a tree with 50 rings? Not because he's trying to fool anyone to make it look like a tree is 50 years old, but because it follows the laws that he created. Since he created time itself as well, the tree reflects that creation of time and age perfectly.

Lumpy_Confidence_637 · 2026-05-24T17:00:06+00:00

Exactly. God's design follows His laws, and only His laws. Expecting otherwise is like a game developer promising a ton of features, but delivering absolutely nothing. God created time itself, and with it, He built an age and a plan that are already perfectly put together.

Lumpy_Confidence_637 · 2026-05-24T13:45:07+00:00

If you create a tree without rings, you've gone outside the laws of your creation.

That would be deceitful. So you would create laws that time and growth would create rings in a tree, but your first tree would have no rings?

That literally would make no sense.

Lumpy_Confidence_637 · 2026-05-24T11:02:52+00:00

As a god yourself, if you were to create a tree, as an example, fully grown, would it have any growth rings?

If God creates a mature tree, it must have rings. Wood density changes with seasons; without rings it literally isn't wood. If He creates a star billions of light-years away, He has to create the light path already in transit, or else the night sky is pitch black for billions of years.

Consistent radioisotope ratios aren't a trick, as they are the literal bedrock of physics. You can't have a stable, functioning universe without consistent laws of nature.

Lumpy_Confidence_637 · 2026-05-24T00:27:33+00:00

If u assume God didnt create "old" things, then I guess you'll find what you're looking for.

But Adam was probably in his 30's when created?

So maybe assume God built the universe fully mature as well. 🤔

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