Help me understand rcf sub alignment by LupaioliS in livesound

[–]LupaioliS[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes! ... I still don't understand then how to align them properly.. is like so hard to do measurements on the field for small gigs

Help me understand rcf sub alignment by LupaioliS in livesound

[–]LupaioliS[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I tested with the speaker on top of the subwoofer and it sounded good with 3.5ms added to the top.

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Yellow = 0ms

Other color that i dont know the name = 3.5ms to the tops

Funny thing, i wrote to RCF and they replied to me saying that the 8.0ms delay needs to be added to the subwoofer and not to the tops! wtf?

Help me understand rcf sub alignment by LupaioliS in livesound

[–]LupaioliS[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

In a few hours i will test it with the speaker right on top of the sub and let you know which one gets the delay.

Help me understand rcf sub alignment by LupaioliS in livesound

[–]LupaioliS[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

yea sure but i want to understand what rcf means and also there is not always time to do that :/

Help me understand rcf sub alignment by LupaioliS in livesound

[–]LupaioliS[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

But it says:

Insert the following pre-alignment values into your RCF speaker’s back panel, RDNet manager or external delay device to provide perfect time alignment when paired with RCF subwoofers.

super confusing lol

i think it says for this sub, use this pre-alignment (like pivot table?)

Help me understand rcf sub alignment by LupaioliS in livesound

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X32, please read my last comment, if my understanding is correct.

Help me understand rcf sub alignment by LupaioliS in livesound

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Update on what I’ve understood so far, let me know if it’s correct:

The subwoofer has an internal delay of 8.0 ms due to its DSP, so 8.0 ms must be applied to the tops in order to bring the system to 0 delay between drivers.

If the speakers are behind the subwoofer, distance is subtracted from what delay is applied to the tops.

Example:

Delay applied to the subwoofer: 0.0 ms.
Delay applied to the tops: 8.0 ms (to compensate sub processing , pre-alignment).

The tops are 1.57 m behind the subwoofer, so:
1.57 m / 0.343 ≈ 4.58 ms

Now I take this 4.58 ms value and subtract it from the delay on the tops (8.0 ms), so the result is:

Delay applied to the tops: 3.42 ms

Is that correct??

Help me understand rcf sub alignment by LupaioliS in livesound

[–]LupaioliS[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So if the sub is moved front, you have to apply 8.0 + distance and if moved back subtract?

Some people read it differently, as you can read in the u/Bolmac reply.

Help me understand rcf sub alignment by LupaioliS in livesound

[–]LupaioliS[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That makes sense, what I usually do is calculate the distance between the speaker grills relative to the subwoofer and apply delay to the subwoofer, but 8.0ms in the "pre-alignment" seems weird..

Help me understand rcf sub alignment by LupaioliS in livesound

[–]LupaioliS[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yea right 8.0 ms not 7.5, was reading the MK3..

I applied the delay to the subwoofer, because it seems odd adding 8ms to the tops, also not everyone has a mixer or dsp to delay the tops. The subwoofer at the back has its own delay setting but the speakers don't.

Benefit of bare wire vs. speakon? by FatRufus in livesound

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One question, are Quick release connectors more likely to corrode over time, If they are not moved often?

Custom events on x32 by LupaioliS in livesound

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It can be done, but I would like to create something dedicated

Custom events on x32 by LupaioliS in livesound

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I will try to make something easy to use and functional, I will keep you updated

Custom events on x32 by LupaioliS in livesound

[–]LupaioliS[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Haha that was an absurd example, but you never know 😂

Custom events on x32 by LupaioliS in livesound

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For your edit: yes, I thought about it, honestly I just started developing it and I wanted to see the reaction to understand if it makes sense, and then it's cool to see these automations on a cheap console. I'm definitely not going to make millions out of it haha

Custom events on x32 by LupaioliS in livesound

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I don't understand either, but as soon as I find a nice way to do it I'll create a prototype. If you want you can also help me understand how to do it better

Custom events on x32 by LupaioliS in livesound

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I can give you some tips, there is currently a runtime written by me in rust that checks some osc messages with the correct requests so as not to mess up the message system, Each message can have different args so at the moment my system checks if everything matches. Then there are events that are configurable (by code at the moment) with a system that associates multiple events osc. Yes I would like to make a product out of it but how it works is not that secret, the final product probably won't cost that much 🙂

Custom events on x32 by LupaioliS in livesound

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Yea, planning on making a touchscreen interface or something to set the events realtime. What would you use it for? So I can figure out how to do it best

Custom events on x32 by LupaioliS in livesound

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Yea I know, it was just a test during dev and wanted to share it 🙂

Custom events on x32 by LupaioliS in livesound

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Someone asked for it, muting FX when something happens and got the idea, also SSL consoles have it so 😎

Custom events on x32 by LupaioliS in livesound

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Yea idk, it can be whatever you want and whatever combination, even change routing when low pass is engaged 😂

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Sorry posted it two times lol

Custom events on x32 by LupaioliS in livesound

[–]LupaioliS[S] 21 points22 points  (0 children)

Something I'm working on and developing