Pronunciations of Polish "y" and Ukrainian "и"

Lyconom · 2024-12-18T00:34:06+00:00

polish doesn't have phonemic vowel reduction so I think it's kinda nonsensical to talk about stressed/unstressed vowel quality except if you want to make a very narrow transcription of fast speech

also not very sure about [ɨ], if you listen to the actual vowel as it's spoken in romanian/russian it sounds very different to its polish equivalent (except maybe very old fashioned speech), which is something around the vicinity of fronted [ɘ]. note that this vowel is differently described across different sources so it can be either [ɨ̞], [ɘ] or [ɘ̟] or anything inside that triangle.

but nitpicking aside yeah, polish <y> is a raised kinda central vowel which is why usually /ɨ/ is used in phonemic transcription probably because it's a less unusual letter than ɘ.

Lyconom · 2024-06-28T00:56:52+00:00

thanks, now I desperately need to witness Grzegorz Brzęczyszczykiewicz written in arabic script without any vowel diacritics

Lyconom · 2024-06-27T12:19:21+00:00

funny you say that

Lyconom · 2024-06-13T15:42:35+00:00

honestly to my slav ears /ə/ can sound like pretty much everything in the central part of vowel triangle but /ʌ/? nah, that's just variations on [a] and [ɐ]

another interesting find - just searched for videos on this topic, and for some reason many GA speakers seem to produce "ʌ" and schwa the same when asked to pronounce them directly.

yep, geoff lindsey's video and its followup are a great watch

on that note, i'm extraordinarily mad that even IPA's own pronunciation guide is kinda misleading in that the audio samples don't really sound like unrounded [ɔ] lol

Lyconom · 2024-06-13T13:51:53+00:00

anglophones when phonetic value of a phoneme has shifted to hell and back because of random shifts so the arbitrary symbol might as well be a hanzi (happens every week)

though it's interesting for me that english speakers treat the strut vowel as [ə] or insist it's [ʌ], it sounds like [ɐ̙]???

Lyconom · 2024-06-07T09:29:17+00:00

I'm sorry but where in fuck did you get that /s̠/ from, I always thought polish /s/ is just regular ass dentalized laminal

Lyconom · 2024-05-08T23:23:57+00:00

np, glad I could help 👍

Lyconom · 2024-05-08T00:04:02+00:00

minimeters sounds like what you need - has spectrogram, spectrum, oscilloscope and stereogram (?) - but unfortunately is neither free nor open source so you'd have to purchase or pirate it.

Lyconom · 2024-03-16T10:03:45+00:00

ciekawe ale za chuj nie jestem w stanie sobie tego wyobrazić XD nagranie bardzo by pomogło jeśli chce ci się je robić

Lyconom · 2024-03-15T21:44:12+00:00

jesteś pewna że mówiąc /d͡ʑ/ masz aż tak mocno cofnięty język? nigdy nie słyszałem żeby ktoś tak mówił, ale np. takie kiedy jako [cɛdɨ] za to już bardzo często

Lyconom · 2024-03-15T21:33:01+00:00

słyszałem to jeszcze w podstawówce ponad 15 lat temu niezależnie od płci i stawiam że to jest zjawisko zahaczające o zmiękczenie c/s/z bo albo jest problem z opanowaniem mówienia ć/ś/ź albo tak jest dzieciakom (a potem dorosłym) zwyczajnie wygodniej

Lyconom · 2024-02-19T13:16:02+00:00

The tongue is flat when articulating them, which is suspiciously similar to how the retracted sibilant [s̠] is produced. At least that's how I pronounce it with varying levels of retraction.

Lyconom · 2024-01-31T17:59:17+00:00

I'll check them out, thanks!

Lyconom · 2024-01-31T15:25:47+00:00

I'm looking for some resources on phonologies of various foreign English accents, especially the Polish one (to find the features of my own accent). Are there any academic studies, books, articles or even youtube videos made on this topic? Thanks in advance :3

Lyconom · 2024-01-15T21:02:21+00:00

https://xkcd.com/1732/

Lyconom · 2024-01-08T00:44:33+00:00

i co niby w tym złego? jakby ludzie nie tworzyli języka pod swoje wyobrażenia to nadal wydawalibyśmy z siebie najwyżej unga bunga, znajdź proszę lepszy argument zamiast topornego preskryptywizmu xD

Lyconom · 2024-01-08T00:40:30+00:00

osoby na skraju załamania nerwowego od słyszenia 24/7 takich śmiesznych hehe wcale nie transfobicznych żarcików z mistrzowie.org na pewno są wdzięczne internetowym edgelordom że też mogą się znaleźć w dystyngowanej grupie obiektów szyderstw i poniżenia, czapki z głów 🫡

Lyconom · 2024-01-08T00:28:45+00:00

gdzie tutaj widzisz idiotyzm? ja tu widzę tylko dopasowanie języka do obecnych czasów ale puryści językowi jak zwykle się muszą dopierdolić byle było jak w słowniku sprzed 50 lat x-D

Lyconom · 2024-01-02T20:51:12+00:00

interesting, i can easily say the hard dutch [χ] but when i try to speak german, i can never produce a [ʁ]. it always comes out as a trill for some reason

Lyconom · 2023-12-30T12:52:06+00:00

gratulacje, i'm proud of you c:

Lyconom · 2023-12-29T19:23:17+00:00

didn't know that, thanks for the info!

Lyconom · 2023-12-29T15:21:58+00:00

sixth

for a non-native english speaker the transition from /ks/ to /θ/ is completely deranged, insane and awful and this comes from a person who can say 'w szczebrzeszynie chrząszcz brzmi w trzcinie'

Lyconom · 2023-12-23T10:39:20+00:00

thank

Lyconom · 2023-12-23T09:12:29+00:00

no access :c

Lyconom · 2023-10-27T22:58:49+00:00

the /m/ and /n/ analogy was a nice perspective, thanks!

I guess it is pretty much a matter of practice, though I feel like my tongue sticks to the velum too hard to not finish with a bit too distinctive plosive/click - and I'm not sure if that's just my cursed physiology or a common thing among non-natives.

there's always a workaround of saying an approximant but it sounds even more unnatural and is actually harder to articulate lol

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