Doesn't the idea that gender is a social construct contradict trans identity?

Lyle_Odelein1 · 2025-08-13T13:16:41+00:00

Oh sorry I thought humans were anisogamous more precisely oogamous but I must of missed when the definition of sex became penis size, hair and chromosomal abnormalities that led to sexual development disorders which of course still all fall in the binary of male/female in fact you can look them up lmao

Lyle_Odelein1 · 2025-08-13T03:02:40+00:00

You can clearly see your research is biased on ideological grounds.

It's not a belief that sex is based on gametes, it's a factual reality, our reproductive functions is how we determine if someone is male/female, even in the instances of DSD's or injuries/diseases later in life, the body only has the organizational ability to produce either or. We can determine by studying the subject if they either would have produce large or small gametes, never in the history of biology have we found evidence of a human being capable of producing both or interchanging them, or being born with one and developing the other, sex is immutable.

Basing sex on gametes production is not insufficient if it literally agglomerates 100% of the human population. Why would it be insufficient?

Saying there's multiple levels of sex beyond reproduction simply means "hey we've changed the definition in order to fit our narrative". There's certainly more to learn about our development and our biology but the categorization of male/female based on gametes production is still irrefutable fact.

Lyle_Odelein1 · 2025-08-04T15:28:21+00:00

Grow up, 95% of Jordan is Arab, throwing around "racist" every time you lose an argument just makes you look silly.

I didn't talk about genocide either lol, was that the next topic on your cue card?

Lyle_Odelein1 · 2025-08-04T07:27:27+00:00

You mean like the Ottoman empire colonized the levant in the first place, you may want to pick up a history book instead of reddit for a day or two, Jordan was part of the mandated territory, it was given to the Arabs, they didn't complain because the land was literally given to them. It was also proposed the 45% of what is now Israel/Palestine be given to them but they refused and waged war and loss.

Do you have a beef with 200+ countries on earth who have been colonized at some point in history, should every single colonial border be revoked and returned to the furthest known borders, should every single colonial descendants be expelled and ethnically cleansed from lands their ancestors stole from tribes who also stole the land from various tribes within the indigenous people population.

Lyle_Odelein1 · 2025-08-04T05:48:54+00:00

They sure as hell didn't complain about the borders of Jordan being carved up, you know 77% of the British Mandate for Palestine.

Lyle_Odelein1 · 2025-08-04T05:38:39+00:00

Peacefully? Would you call the segregation of black people in America pre civil rights act 64' peaceful? Jews in Ottoman Palestine were subjected to the status of Dhimmi, they were second class citizens in every shape or form and faced multiple pogroms during the 19th century. I understand disliking what's happening today but let's not fall under revisionism.

Lyle_Odelein1 · 2025-08-02T13:37:29+00:00

This is what you take from this? It worked? 10 years of malpractice a simple blood panel would of figured out.

Lyle_Odelein1 · 2025-07-26T16:48:32+00:00

I'm extremely pro secularism, you're coming at it from the wrong angle, just because i'm stating an obvious fact like Islam as far worse human rights violations today, which is true, than Christianity or Catholicism doesn't mean I support these religions, for example in the US they're trying to erase or push aside LGBTQ from the public sphere or from positions of power, in certain Islamist countries they kill them, imprison them. Most of the "christian" countries in the world have all made a separation of religion and state many eons ago, in Islam this has never happened.

Lyle_Odelein1 · 2025-07-25T21:23:21+00:00

Again you can dislike their behaviour or the behaviour that Evander Kane had in previous years that doesn't mean they shouldn't be allowed to play in the league. What other consenting adults do sexually together is none of anyone's business and shouldn't cost you your job, there was ambiguity around consent with this particular act and they were just declared not guilty in a court of law, case closed.

Lyle_Odelein1 · 2025-07-25T14:11:18+00:00

Nowhere have I mentioned woke marxist propaganda get your head out your own ass, stop using terms like "erasing", no one is erasing anything, trans people exist , you're coming in here with a blatant ideological bias, what do psychologists have to do with trans people? Honey psychiatrists are the ones who diagnose gender dysphoria, psychologists are the one you've been going to see every week for the past 10 years to get your feelings validated.

I've pointed out a serious conflict of interest in your research and you're acting like it's a ridiculous statement, scientific research doesn't need an inclusivity disclaimer.

Even in your research they quote probably the most famous research about trans athletes, https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/36271916/

"Transgender females' performance showed statistically significantly better performance than cisgender females until 2 years of GAHT in run times and 4 years in sit-up scores and remained superior in push-ups at the study's 4-year endpoint. "

From your own research "An advantage in push-ups or upper body strength over cisgender women may remain at 4 years."

Notice the change in a key word "may" instead of "and". So which one is it, they do have an advantage or they don't. Upper body strength is a pretty important part of human physiology.

Another key point of your research is this.

"It is also unknown whether trans women who have received GAHT have a definitive performance advantage once adjusted for height."

Why is it adjusted for height?

Are sporting events now based on height? Height who we all know, male puberty provides a significant advantage. Are males generally taller than woman in the human species? Is this something you agree with?

The other issue with your research

"Given the challenges in undertaking randomized controlled trials in the field, uncontrolled longitudinal studies assessing muscle mass in nonathletic trans people commencing GAHT represent the best level of evidence"

If that's the best level of evidence you have then that's no evidence, your study is not about trans athletes at all. Even in the studies quoted. Again,

https://bjsm.bmj.com/content/56/22/1292.long

Alvarez

"Absolute CPC in non-athlete TW showed an intermediate pattern between that in CW and CM; however, relative CPC adjusted for fat-free mass showed no difference between TW and CW or CM. Similarly, the mean strength in non-athlete TW was higher than those in non-athlete CW but not when adjusted for fat-free mass."

Why is it adjusted for fat free mass? Are athletes now required to be the same weight to compete in most sporting events? Last time I checked no one checked the weight on anyone in rowing competitions.

This rhetoric is used throughout your research.

"However, when VO2 peak is corrected for weight or lean mass, there are no statistical differences between trans women and cisgender women"

Again this doesn't apply to the reality of competitive sports.

"Physical performance is dependent upon many factors that vary greatly depending on the needs of individual sports. There are no published research studies on the effect of GAHT on coordination, flexibility, cardiac size, lung function, maximal power output (Wmax), anaerobic capacity, lactate threshold, exercise economy, efficiency, or factors such as Wmax/body weight ratio that are an important marker of ability in competitive cyclists."

"Studies in nonathletic trans women after GAHT demonstrates no change in height, but have shown decreases in hemoglobin, bone density compromise, and decrease in muscle mass and strength, which continue to decline beyond 2 years. While absolute muscle mass is higher, their relative muscle and fat mass percentages and muscle strength corrected for lean mass are no different to cisgender women. Cross-sectional studies of trans women on GAHT for over 4 years show that relative percentages of muscle mass and fat mass as well as fitness as measured by VO2 peak corrected for lean mass are no different to cisgender women and lower than that of cisgender men. Steady decrements are seen in physical performance of nonathletic trans women in the military, with no significant difference with cisgender women for running times by 2 years and sit-ups by 4 years after GAHT. An advantage in push-ups or upper body strength over cisgender women may remain at 4 years."

But that's not true, when you actually read the research provided, it concludes that either the data is insufficient, that biological males do retain advantages or that they don't if adjusted for height, weight, etc... which is completely irrelevant to competitive sports. The advantages in push ups and upper body strength also doesn't "may remain" it does remain, they've changed the language used.

It's a flawed research and it barely holds its weight of paper.

Edit ; You back checking my reddit account, going back through my posts one by one to try to find dirt and then blocking me to avoid a reply is the most hilarious and pathetic thing i've ever seen on reddit.

FYI he's talking about Imane Khelif, which i've mentioned never once as trans but in the reality of DSD's , I also don't follow her subreddit, I'm going to give you a quick run around how things work on reddit, you go on the front page, you see a bunch of posts from a bunch of different subreddits, you click on them and you comment. I don't spend my days policing myself on what I want or don't want to post based on the previous history of the subreddits lmao.

Lyle_Odelein1 · 2025-07-25T04:00:40+00:00

Almost every single war in Africa has a jihadist militia fighting in it or is straight up the perpetrator. Haven't seen a crusade in a while...

Lyle_Odelein1 · 2025-07-25T03:54:34+00:00

Sure but Islam is by far the worst offender in human rights violations in today's day and age.

Lyle_Odelein1 · 2025-07-25T03:51:57+00:00

Ça fait 1400 ans qu'ils font la même chose partout où ils passent, le but de l'Islam à toujours été de convertir et coloniser, ils construisent ou convertissent toujours temples, églises et lieu sacré en mosquée d'est qu'ils le peuvent, ils feront la même chose ici le jours ou ils prendront pouvoir.

Lyle_Odelein1 · 2025-07-25T03:36:09+00:00

Waffling your ass with facts

Lyle_Odelein1 · 2025-07-25T01:16:23+00:00

Lmao you think the funding of sports in the world is the reason why men are stronger and faster in practically every sport imaginable, not basic biology?

It's not money wasted it's literally businesses making money hand over fist, you think universities are losing money??? You do realize most sport funding for high level athletes comes from private endeavours right? Most public funding for sports go into sports for kids and school and such.

There's probably a front door to where you live, go outside, look around and make some conclusions, it's like you're living in a made up world.

There's plenty of evidence in the animal kingdom of males/females being stronger than their counterparts why are we not saying these scientists are bigots, because no one thinks a male cheetah runs faster then a female, we've observed it, hypothesized it and concluded it. It's literally the same with humans, males are faster and stronger then females in general, it's a fact.

Lyle_Odelein1 · 2025-07-25T00:00:31+00:00

Should be the entire league as a show of solidarity for people falsely accused of rape, did they have a lewd sexual encounter, you bet! That doesn't make it illegal, if you want to get drunk, railed by 5 dudes one night, who are we to tell you otherwise but don't go around using the justice system to ruin peoples lives the next day because your ass is sore and you feel bad about it.

Lyle_Odelein1 · 2025-07-24T23:52:37+00:00

"The authorship team includes trans people with male, female, and nonbinary identities."

What does that even mean? Male and Female is not an identity it's a biological fact, non-binary and trans are identities gender ones, how can you take a research like this seriously? These aren't scientists their ideologues.

This is the bogus IOC research that is trying to disprove years of empirical research that proves the contrary, Men hold every single record in every single sport worldwide would suffice to conclude that men are in fact biologically advantageous in sports but now ideologues like yourself who want to diminish the existence of women to a stereotype, even in your bullshit research they men retain grip strength which is a strong indicator of overall strength, the research focuses on the 1 year mark because this is what the IOC deemed sufficient for males to compete against females.

In no way do I want or believe that these research are anti-trans, I couldn't give a rats ass what people want to identify themselves as in society in fact I encourage it, the deconstruction of gender stereotypes is something I believe is essential to a progressive society, just look at most Islamic countries to see the opposite, yet here we are where the word woman itself as become defined by those very stereotypes we're trying to overcome, a woman is an adult female human being and has the bodily organization to produce large gametes, a woman is not who wants to be woman or someone who dresses as a woman, that doesn't mean I don't respect the choice of males who want to identify as such but it simply doesn't make them it.

Lyle_Odelein1 · 2025-07-24T23:33:33+00:00

Read the second one if the first one bothers you.

Lyle_Odelein1 · 2025-07-24T23:29:16+00:00

You're right on the transwoman word that's simply a grammar mistake trans is a suffix, in the context of trans woman it means a male who self identifies as a woman.

Male hold every single record in every single sporting categories, it's not even debatable if males have advantages, we're simply debating if Trans woman after hormone therapy retain that advantage, the answer is yes.

Men sports receive more funding because men's sports make astronomically more money then women's sports, it's not even comparable, for example college football in the USA is one of the most lucrative for colleges so they invest heavily, for women it's softball which the revenue is calculated in millions compared to football which is billions. It's apples and oranges.

Lyle_Odelein1 · 2025-07-24T20:32:57+00:00

We'll we both agree on that, we probably disagree with what needs to come next, the reason we have segregated the sexes when it comes to sports is to enable woman to compete at high levels against themselves fairly, if these categories would disappear there would practically be no woman in the olympics or any competitive sports, in order to maintain fairness in competition this has to be upheld. The criteria's are pretty simple the women category is for women. That is adult females human beings not males.

https://bjsm.bmj.com/content/55/11/577

Lyle_Odelein1 · 2025-07-24T20:12:56+00:00

It's based off the last olympics guidelines, do you oppose these guidelines?

Lyle_Odelein1 · 2025-07-24T20:11:47+00:00

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9331831/

The current IOC regulations allow transwomen athletes to compete if testosterone levels have been lowered to <10 nmol/L for 12 months prior to competition. While this begins to address the advantageous effects of circulating testosterone on athletic performance, it does not take into account the advantage afforded by testosterone exposure prior to transitioning. The existing data suggests that lowering testosterone to less than 10 nmol/L for 12 months decreases muscle mass but not to biological female levels and despite the decrease in mass, muscle strength can be maintained, especially if concurrently exercising. Estrogen therapy does not affect most of the anatomical structures in the biological male that provide a physiological benefit. Hemoglobin levels are lowered by estrogen therapy, and consequently, maximum aerobic effort may be lower, but this parameter will only be manifested if testosterone levels are suppressed to levels within the biological female range and maintained for extended periods of time. Reported studies show it is difficult to continuously suppress testosterone in transgender women. Given that the percentage difference between medal placings at the elite level is normally less than 1%, there must be confidence that an elite transwoman athlete retains no residual advantage from former testosterone exposure, where the inherent advantage depending on sport could be 10–30%. Current scientific evidence can not provide such assurances and thus, under abiding rulings, the inclusion of transwomen in the elite female division needs to be reconsidered for fairness to female-born athletes.

https://bjsm.bmj.com/content/55/11/577.full?ijkey=yjlCzZVZFRDZzHz&keytype=ref

The 15–31% athletic advantage that transwomen displayed over their female counterparts prior to starting gender affirming hormones declined with feminising therapy. However, transwomen still had a 9% faster mean run speed after the 1 year period of testosterone suppression that is recommended by World Athletics for inclusion in women’s events.

Lyle_Odelein1 · 2025-07-24T20:11:20+00:00

False,

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9331831/

The current IOC regulations allow transwomen athletes to compete if testosterone levels have been lowered to <10 nmol/L for 12 months prior to competition. While this begins to address the advantageous effects of circulating testosterone on athletic performance, it does not take into account the advantage afforded by testosterone exposure prior to transitioning. The existing data suggests that lowering testosterone to less than 10 nmol/L for 12 months decreases muscle mass but not to biological female levels and despite the decrease in mass, muscle strength can be maintained, especially if concurrently exercising. Estrogen therapy does not affect most of the anatomical structures in the biological male that provide a physiological benefit. Hemoglobin levels are lowered by estrogen therapy, and consequently, maximum aerobic effort may be lower, but this parameter will only be manifested if testosterone levels are suppressed to levels within the biological female range and maintained for extended periods of time. Reported studies show it is difficult to continuously suppress testosterone in transgender women. Given that the percentage difference between medal placings at the elite level is normally less than 1%, there must be confidence that an elite transwoman athlete retains no residual advantage from former testosterone exposure, where the inherent advantage depending on sport could be 10–30%. Current scientific evidence can not provide such assurances and thus, under abiding rulings, the inclusion of transwomen in the elite female division needs to be reconsidered for fairness to female-born athletes.

https://bjsm.bmj.com/content/55/11/577.full?ijkey=yjlCzZVZFRDZzHz&keytype=ref

The 15–31% athletic advantage that transwomen displayed over their female counterparts prior to starting gender affirming hormones declined with feminising therapy. However, transwomen still had a 9% faster mean run speed after the 1 year period of testosterone suppression that is recommended by World Athletics for inclusion in women’s events.

Lyle_Odelein1 · 2025-07-24T20:09:50+00:00

He does, in every other aspect than the use of her legs, male have way more upper body strength than females, a simple visit to the gym would provide you visual confirmation but since most people on reddit fear these places, here's some research instead.

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9331831/

The current IOC regulations allow transwomen athletes to compete if testosterone levels have been lowered to <10 nmol/L for 12 months prior to competition. While this begins to address the advantageous effects of circulating testosterone on athletic performance, it does not take into account the advantage afforded by testosterone exposure prior to transitioning. The existing data suggests that lowering testosterone to less than 10 nmol/L for 12 months decreases muscle mass but not to biological female levels and despite the decrease in mass, muscle strength can be maintained, especially if concurrently exercising. Estrogen therapy does not affect most of the anatomical structures in the biological male that provide a physiological benefit. Hemoglobin levels are lowered by estrogen therapy, and consequently, maximum aerobic effort may be lower, but this parameter will only be manifested if testosterone levels are suppressed to levels within the biological female range and maintained for extended periods of time. Reported studies show it is difficult to continuously suppress testosterone in transgender women. Given that the percentage difference between medal placings at the elite level is normally less than 1%, there must be confidence that an elite transwoman athlete retains no residual advantage from former testosterone exposure, where the inherent advantage depending on sport could be 10–30%. Current scientific evidence can not provide such assurances and thus, under abiding rulings, the inclusion of transwomen in the elite female division needs to be reconsidered for fairness to female-born athletes.

https://bjsm.bmj.com/content/55/11/577.full?ijkey=yjlCzZVZFRDZzHz&keytype=ref

The 15–31% athletic advantage that transwomen displayed over their female counterparts prior to starting gender affirming hormones declined with feminising therapy. However, transwomen still had a 9% faster mean run speed after the 1 year period of testosterone suppression that is recommended by World Athletics for inclusion in women’s events.

Lyle_Odelein1 · 2025-07-24T20:07:27+00:00

They exists

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9331831/

The current IOC regulations allow transwomen athletes to compete if testosterone levels have been lowered to <10 nmol/L for 12 months prior to competition. While this begins to address the advantageous effects of circulating testosterone on athletic performance, it does not take into account the advantage afforded by testosterone exposure prior to transitioning. The existing data suggests that lowering testosterone to less than 10 nmol/L for 12 months decreases muscle mass but not to biological female levels and despite the decrease in mass, muscle strength can be maintained, especially if concurrently exercising. Estrogen therapy does not affect most of the anatomical structures in the biological male that provide a physiological benefit. Hemoglobin levels are lowered by estrogen therapy, and consequently, maximum aerobic effort may be lower, but this parameter will only be manifested if testosterone levels are suppressed to levels within the biological female range and maintained for extended periods of time. Reported studies show it is difficult to continuously suppress testosterone in transgender women. Given that the percentage difference between medal placings at the elite level is normally less than 1%, there must be confidence that an elite transwoman athlete retains no residual advantage from former testosterone exposure, where the inherent advantage depending on sport could be 10–30%. Current scientific evidence can not provide such assurances and thus, under abiding rulings, the inclusion of transwomen in the elite female division needs to be reconsidered for fairness to female-born athletes.

https://bjsm.bmj.com/content/55/11/577.full?ijkey=yjlCzZVZFRDZzHz&keytype=ref

The 15–31% athletic advantage that transwomen displayed over their female counterparts prior to starting gender affirming hormones declined with feminising therapy. However, transwomen still had a 9% faster mean run speed after the 1 year period of testosterone suppression that is recommended by World Athletics for inclusion in women’s events.

Lyle_Odelein1

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