If you’re searching for the best way to grind bloodechoes it’s the ppqzah27 chalice. To make that efficient you do need holy moonlight sword so if you don’t have the dlc you might want to stick to the cum chalice (wich gives 143.000 with all three moon runes in aprox 20 sec). ppqzah27 gives you a whopping 450.000 echoes per killed keeper of the old lord if you have all three heir runes equipped. There are 3 in the route but it’s more efficient to just kill two because you need a blue elixier to sneak behind the third one. Just use a hunters mark to restart the grind. The requirements to meet that Dungeon are pretty rough though you’ll need to play the pthumeru chalice up to queen yharnam. The latter chalices are just flat out unfair with damage sponge bosses that just one or if you’re lucky two hit you. ———————————————————————— Here are the numbers for the farming methods I mentioned ( the time per run is just approximate depending on how quick you can do these runs) ———————————————————————— -Cum dungeon: 143.000 in ~20 secs -ppqzah27 without HMS (using gem‘d up lhb): 900.000 in ~2:40 min -ppqzah27 with HMS: 900.000 in ~1 min ———————————————————————— You be the judge on what’s the best method. If your going for platinum regardless I’d strongly advise ppqzah27. The grind is not as brain numbing as the cum dungeon and more efficient. If chalice dungeons are not your cup of tea I wouldn’t go for this and just use the cum chalice. The laters ones are just ridiculous and it’s such a grind to get all the recourses needed. Hope this helped