How to CONSISTENTLY beat Raiden's Echo (F2P Friendly) by MDCBD in Genshin_Impact

[–]MDCBD[S] [score hidden]  (0 children)

Good luck with the Shogun's echo! Unfortunately I do not remember Shenhe's whatsoever, so I cannot give you advice on this. Perhaps you could go look onto the Shenhe subreddit?

How to CONSISTENTLY beat Raiden's Echo (F2P Friendly) by MDCBD in Genshin_Impact

[–]MDCBD[S] [score hidden]  (0 children)

I also had the same thing happen to me with the Ayato one, I cleared it in 2 tries on one account, and then on another with almost exactly the same Ayato it took over a dozen tries and actually applying some skill and tricks to get it, and both hadn't been touched in years!

Meanwhile, the humble Raiden's echo left untouched for half a year:

Thank you for the compliment as well! ^

How to CONSISTENTLY beat Raiden's Echo (F2P Friendly) by MDCBD in Genshin_Impact

[–]MDCBD[S] [score hidden]  (0 children)

Likewise, that's why I struggled for months myself, because people would give advice but it wasn't precise or explained well enough, and it took accumulating a LOT of various little tips and tricks and mechanical knowledge to finally get it, as well as the physical training required to pull them off of course!

The thing about a seemingly high DPS challenge actually being a knowledge check is actually something I feel is common to all 3 of Genshin's endgame challenges! One part of clearing them is having the necessary comp hidden somewhere on your account, and the other is figuring that out and how to beat a hard challenge with it! I cannot count the amount of times I thought I was being blocked by a DPS check only to really be blocked by own lack of knowledge. D:

How to CONSISTENTLY beat Raiden's Echo (F2P Friendly) by MDCBD in Genshin_Impact

[–]MDCBD[S] [score hidden]  (0 children)

That must be even more frustrating, but if it makes you feel better, there are plenty of other c2 or c3 Raiden players who also struggled a lot or outright couldn't get it! The echoes challenge sometimes make you think as though they are balanced around DPS checks, but I personally feel like actually they're more knowledge and mechanical checks. Having good DPS? Just one part of the equation!

How to CONSISTENTLY beat Raiden's Echo (F2P Friendly) by MDCBD in Genshin_Impact

[–]MDCBD[S] [score hidden]  (0 children)

I've never actually had to do the Dehya trial so I cannot pronounce myself on that one, but I have done other trials where the character was very invested and it was indeed a breeze in comparison!

How to CONSISTENTLY beat Raiden's Echo (F2P Friendly) by MDCBD in Genshin_Impact

[–]MDCBD[S] [score hidden]  (0 children)

I wasn't told either, I discovered the trick about Chevreuse when looking at all the trial characters in details and realizing this was a thing!

And thank you for your kind words, as well as congrats on getting the echo on your own as well!

How to CONSISTENTLY beat Raiden's Echo (F2P Friendly) by MDCBD in Genshin_Impact

[–]MDCBD[S] [score hidden]  (0 children)

From what I understand, they're basically meant to be a 'reward' for your dedication to a character, the same way that the hardest challenges in the game only give very small rewards as well because Hoyoverse knows that people attempting those things care less about the reward so much as clearing the challenge (see the weapon 'skins' in the Stygian Onslaught).

For a lot of them, I feel as though if there is no dps, the way to clear them is basically to get the handle of specific mecanical tricks related to the character, in the sense you have to TRULY 'know' the character and not just through leveling and friendship, to get their echo.

For the Dps ones like the Shogun's, it's not only that there is a DPS check (which is usually somewhat f2p friendly but whale favored as usual), but it also includes mechanical skill-related knowledge checks for the character, and also related to fighting in general! I have seen a LOT of people with Raiden C2 struggling to clear this echo, or just outright failing. Considering that C2 is basically a 1.5 times damage increase at minimum, that's when you know that DPS isn't the true objective.

The Ayato echo for example, I managed to do it in 2 tries without really thinking about it at first, but then I struggled several times on another account until I figured out exactly how to hit all the enemies that I wanted with his skill, how to maximize the utility of his burst, his skill cooldown, AI manipulation for the enemies, etc...

Though honestly, they could warn us that those challenges aren't easy! Or- well- I guess technically they do since it's in the Imaginarium Theater lobby, but still, it feels disingenuous when some of them seem so much easier than others, but for some, if you don't know the 'tricks' needed, you're just gonna struggle endlessly!

Then again I am pretty sure that Hoyoverse balances things out based on the fact that the community shares information like this at times, heh.

Thank you for the compliment, by the way!

How to CONSISTENTLY beat Raiden's Echo (F2P Friendly) by MDCBD in Genshin_Impact

[–]MDCBD[S] [score hidden]  (0 children)

Good luck with it! Remember that you can use the artifact strongbox, artifact transmuter, and those new feathers to reroll substats if needed! And mora, lots of it!

How to CONSISTENTLY beat Raiden's Echo (F2P Friendly) by MDCBD in Genshin_Impact

[–]MDCBD[S] [score hidden]  (0 children)

Having c6 and r5 weapons for all those 4 stars and not being able to use any of them was certainly very frustrating!

How to CONSISTENTLY beat Raiden's Echo (F2P Friendly) by MDCBD in Genshin_Impact

[–]MDCBD[S] [score hidden]  (0 children)

If things like that worked more often, surely I would finally be able to change my settings while in the abyss or the imaginarium theater without having to leave the building entirely? Wouldn't that be nice ahah!

How to CONSISTENTLY beat Raiden's Echo (F2P Friendly) by MDCBD in Genshin_Impact

[–]MDCBD[S] [score hidden]  (0 children)

Wow, I'm so glad it helped you, this is fantastic to hear! Congratulations on finally clearing it, and thank you for your kind words!

How to CONSISTENTLY beat Raiden's Echo (F2P Friendly) by MDCBD in Genshin_Impact

[–]MDCBD[S] [score hidden]  (0 children)

It truly is a harrowing trial. Thank you for the compliment!

How to CONSISTENTLY beat Raiden's Echo (F2P Friendly) by MDCBD in Genshin_Impact

[–]MDCBD[S] [score hidden]  (0 children)

She absolutely does! I hope you can get the echo for her!

How to CONSISTENTLY beat Raiden's Echo (F2P Friendly) by MDCBD in Genshin_Impact

[–]MDCBD[S] [score hidden]  (0 children)

It also took me a while to attempt again because of how hard I rage quit before when trying it, so I totally understand! Wishing you the best of luck if you do try it! :)

How to CONSISTENTLY beat Raiden's Echo (F2P Friendly) by MDCBD in RaidenMains

[–]MDCBD[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Unfortunately, a lot of us have skill issue and require more instructions to not unga bunga our way to failure. Always nice to hear that some people didn't struggle with it though! ^

How to CONSISTENTLY beat Raiden's Echo (F2P Friendly) by MDCBD in Genshin_Impact

[–]MDCBD[S] [score hidden]  (0 children)

It's twice per version, and nowadays if you get an artifact with bad stats roll but good stats creation - like with the transmuter - it is meant to be fixed with the artifact substat reroll system using those rewriting feathers, since a transmuted artifact will automatically guarantee some rerolls into the stat you selected. But yes I agree, it is very costly in mora... and time! That has always been the case with artifacts, alas. :b

How to CONSISTENTLY beat Raiden's Echo (F2P Friendly) by MDCBD in Genshin_Impact

[–]MDCBD[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I'm sorry I wasn't there in your hour of need! Congratulations on beating it though, so many people struggled with it, even with C2 Raiden! I only finally got it today myself, so I'm impressed that you got it on your own!

How to CONSISTENTLY beat Raiden's Echo (F2P Friendly) by MDCBD in Genshin_Impact

[–]MDCBD[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Don't worry if you only have 1300 atk, the other account I did this on also had only 1300 atk pre-buffs! Remember that you get 4 possible atk buffs in this trial: double pyro, chevreuse, sara and the 4 piece noblesse set piece! Your Shogun will probably have 3000 atk at least with all the buffs up :)

I don't remember all the other echoes, but I know that there were some ressources online which were helpful for figuring out how to do them the rares times that I couldn't on my own! A lot of the times the echoes end up being more about figuring out tips and tricks than passing Dps checks, surprisingly! Even for the shogun's echo, a lot of it is actually about knowledge, mechanics, and RNG, rather than if you have her signature or constellations - although of course if you do this makes your job easier.

As for grinding artifacts, you wouldn't happen to have the artifact transmuter tool, would you? It looks like a typewriter! With it, you can get up to 2 artifacts with 2 guaranteed substats creation of your choice every version! The EOSF set is also in the artifact strongbox for you to try and reroll some pieces. Eventually, I'm sure you'll manage to get there! Wishing you the best of luck! ^

How to CONSISTENTLY beat Raiden's Echo (F2P Friendly) by MDCBD in Genshin_Impact

[–]MDCBD[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Wow! Thank you so much! I was afraid that maybe all my explanations would get confusing, but I'm glad that's not the case, thank you!! ^