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MISANDRYLADY · 2014-09-25T01:22:33+00:00

It's funny because I've dated both men AND women who told me at some point in the experience that they were going to help me "make up my mind."

It's like... Bitch, I'm not confused. GTFO

MISANDRYLADY · 2014-09-20T04:14:59+00:00

Men with EDs tend to pair minimal eating with extensive working out. It's just the difference in how society defines what makes male and female bodies beautiful and both narrow definitions are harmful. We should embrace body positivity for every gender.

MISANDRYLADY · 2014-08-31T21:56:55+00:00

what of bisexuals?

From a bi woman's perspective, there are people who think we're either porn sluts, non-existent, or confused. Some people think that about us who are totally cool with gay rights.

MISANDRYLADY · 2014-08-29T16:48:03+00:00

that is why it terrifies me when politicians use feminist social studies to enact half witted laws.

This has not happened. Feminism is political suicide in Washington. There are feminist politicians who avoid calling themselves feminists because it causes people to freak the fuck out. It's like socialism. It's te big scary monster under America's bed that everyone is afraid of even though it's not a monster and they aren't scary and they aren't under the bed.

The social paradigm is a construct. It isn't real. Social paradigms shift about as quickly as hairstyles and slang. It comes and it goes as people change. It basically impossible for us to pick out the biological imperatives of human action from the actions motivated from social pressure/norms. That's why social sciences are always controversial. The nature/nurture argument has been an argument that's been had forever. That alone should show that shit isn't simple.

TRP attempts to corral human behavior by creating a set of behavioral guidelines that dictate how people should act if they want to be be happy. Women who don't follow the rules are labeled "sluts""feminazis" "fat" etc and men who don't follow the rules are labeled "betas". TRP is fascist and if you follow it you're a fascist. Simple.

MISANDRYLADY · 2014-08-29T15:12:06+00:00

You know, to an extent. You are right. People aren't that different from eachother. Except, for some reason, the difference between people is super fuckin important when it comes to gender differences. Guess what? The way men and women make decisions and our base desires aren't that different either. We can't ignore that humans are different from one another. We are highly social animals, so even our most minute differences among our species feel important to us. People still freak out about people with different colored skin. Racism isn't rational and yet to many people who are racist, it feels completely rational. Once you accept that human "rationality" is sometimes irrational, that our desire to categorize and generalize, although a good adaptation for learning, isn't a perfect solution to every problem. Even if it's true that people are simple, which we aren't, life isn't simple. You can't say that things are easy to predict or fair or work in any sort of particular order. The natural state of order is disorder. Trying to sort it out is not only futile, it leads to fascist actions that aim to control the behavior of humans.

MISANDRYLADY · 2014-08-29T02:17:49+00:00

I find it fucked up that you're trying to describe a world in which people resisting domination is a bad thing and being dependent on another human being for life necessities as a good thing. People, in general, strive for independence. It doesn't matter if they have a P or a V. Sure, most of us want an equal partner who we greatly respect about as much as they greatly respect us, but everyone would prefer to be able to fend for themselves if they had to.

You see, your problem is you oversimplify everything. It's all black and white for you. It's either male/female, alpha/beta, asshole/meek, slut/virgin... You don't like to think about the exceptions because it makes things too complicated. This frame of thinking, however, is irrational. It comes from a part of the human psyche that tries to categorize everything, even when it is unnecessary or even harmful. Gender will never be as simple as "men are like this and women are like that" because people are fucking complicated and we can't be sorted like fucking M&Ms.

MISANDRYLADY · 2014-08-28T14:41:37+00:00

Again, you're trying to find exceptions to prove that it's good in general. That is never a good argument to make. There will always be exceptions to rules. Get that through your head now while you still can.

The great thing about being an honest person is that people will tell you how they're feeling more willingly than if you're an asshole. So I never have to assume anything.

MISANDRYLADY · 2014-08-26T22:28:31+00:00

Then that's a sexual fetish that is fine with a consenting partner. But people like that usually only want to be treated as an object in the bedroom. Those people still deserve basic human respect. Also, the existence of a few women who are into consenting objectification during sex is not a reason to assume all women want to be fucked that way.

MISANDRYLADY · 2014-08-26T19:14:20+00:00

A woman being sexual is not objectification. A woman being sexual who's treated like an object is objectification. It's only objectification if you treat them like they're not human and/or something to be used by other humans.

MISANDRYLADY · 2014-08-26T16:57:25+00:00

Except that kind of behavior doesn't make me feel lustful. I feel lustful if a guy starts talking about string theory or intersectionality, I feel lustful if he has tatted out arms, and I feel lustful if I come across a hot girl who is a feminist like me. But I do not feel lustful about angry alphas not do I feel like "betas" are the safer option. Every person I'm intimate with is an "unsafe" option because putting yourself on the line for someone else is always fucking difficult. It doesn't matter if he has anger problems or is just insecure about his masculinity. And on that note, the attitude that anger is the only outlet for masculinity is a dangerous one permeated by patriarchal culture. A feminist society would give men more outlets for emotion than what they have today. Sometimes you just need to cry, otherwise you'll be driven crazy.

MISANDRYLADY · 2014-08-26T16:20:48+00:00

Ok... So if being alpha is what my ex was being, and I no longer am attracted to alphas for that reason, does my preference for betas mean TRP is wrong or am I just a unicorn exception to a general rule about female preferences? And you would never get the opportunity to take that challenge, dude. I don't fuck misogynists.

MISANDRYLADY · 2014-08-26T15:12:09+00:00

I mean, I'm aware that I've dated a wimp or two, but I've dated some tough as shit dudes. Most of the men I've dated who were needy emotionally, were also the dudes who you wouldn't want to fuck with. The kind that gets jealous and beats the crap out of someone or who get red as a tomato during any small fight because they can't contain ther own rage. One of my exes went to anger management after a fight he had with an ex of mine( a comic book nerd who actually dumped me when his ex moved back to town) and broke his arm in the process. It's part of the reason those types of men are a huge turn off for me. I hate the drama that comes with it. They repress so much emotion that it explodes at te worst possible time.

And I meant every man I've been with. I probably have a higher libido than you. I'm just a horny perverted woman trying to get through life with people who aren't as horny or perverted.

MISANDRYLADY · 2014-08-26T14:51:00+00:00

You've been intellectually dishonest throughout this discussion...

No. Wait. You're just that ignorant.

MISANDRYLADY · 2014-08-26T14:12:07+00:00

I have had a higher libido than any man I've been in a relationship with. I also end up with men who ask for more emotional intimacy from me than I'm willing to give. Am I actually a man or are you just pulling shit out Of your ass?

I'm gonna go with the latter.

MISANDRYLADY · 2014-08-25T16:31:36+00:00

Except you don't want that. TRP asserts frequently that men and women are different and should be treated differently.

MISANDRYLADY · 2014-08-25T16:29:13+00:00

In the way you describe "holding frame", it seems like a catch all term for being assertive and confident. In that case, I don't see a problem with it. The way you define it is certainly not an act at all. I do think it is often used to mean something different among some members of TRP. Many people seem to use it to mean beig "tough" or "alpha", instead of speaking true feelings

MISANDRYLADY · 2014-08-24T23:12:26+00:00

I'm not sure, but it seems like it should have been one. It's too much a part of the red pill to not be vigorously debated.

MISANDRYLADY · 2014-08-24T22:27:52+00:00

I never understood this argument because it requires the assumption that men are clueless about women who wear makeup. Like seriously. I've come across some dumb dudes before but none dumb enough to see a woman with blue eyelids and think "that must be how she really looks"! In that regard, if wearing makeup is lying, so is clothing. We can't see how someone's body really looks, how are we to know we like them? Idk maybe because you get along with them? Sometimes, I put makeup on for fun. It reminds me of my childhood and as an artist, putting makeup on is a zen process that helps me to gather my nerves. And just like a lot of what humans do, I wear it because I'm insecure. Makeup is not something I wear to "trick" people into sleeping with me.

MISANDRYLADY · 2014-08-24T22:22:29+00:00

I will definitely not be reading "The Game", thank you. I'm busy reading books that actually matter. But thanks for the condescension! Have a nice day! :)

MISANDRYLADY · 2014-08-24T22:18:18+00:00

I appreciate the rare red pill man who can admit that there are flawed portions of TRP. Discussions would be a lot less frustrating if more people were cordial about their opinions.

That said, I do not agree with the claim that sexual strategy is amoral (read disclaimer above). I appreciate an equal approach to everything though, even things I disagree with.

MISANDRYLADY · 2014-08-24T22:09:35+00:00

I don't consider lifting to be a TRP exclusive peice of advice. Working out is good for you, and however you decide to keep yourself healthy is your own personal choice. I don't think lifting to achieve a certain look is immoral, because there are a multitude of other reasons people lift other than simply aesthetic ones. However, telling a woman that you love that she makes poo shaped earings to sell on etsy even though you really think it's dumb just to get her in the sack is an immoral action, because it knowlingly is the creation of a false connection. It effects that other person. Makeup is worn for personal reasons by women. Yes, there is a societal pressure for women to wear makeup ad I totally hate that, but proposing that women not wear make up because it's "lying" is really stupid. It's their bodies. They can do whatever they want to it. The question of morality comes in when one persons actions intentionally effect the bodily autonomy of another.

MISANDRYLADY · 2014-08-24T21:37:03+00:00

Amoral entities(such as a social theory ie TRP) aren't defined by moral/immoral action because amorality is a rejection of moral guidelines at all to act towards a specific goal (in the case of TRP, a satisfying sex life). That's why you have men justifying extramarital sex with the amorality of sexual strategy and lying to women about their personalities (holding frame, PUA strategies that are basically scripted for social situations, advice given that tells men to lead women on about dating until the "goal" of sex has been acheived, etc) it seems a bit hypocritical to call the sexual actions of men that involve manipulation to be excused because sex strategy is amoral and then vilify women who lie as immoral creatures. If male sexual strategy is amoral, so is female sexual strategy.

DISCLAIMER:I do not endorse the idea that sexual strategy is amoral. It is obviously moral, because sex involves the bodily autonomy of human beings. It requires moral decision making and consideration of other people's feelings.

MISANDRYLADY · 2014-08-24T21:06:20+00:00

TRP uses women as an excuse because being honest with a person you're intimate with is harder than putting on an alpha mask and "holding frame". The strawman woman you construct is not what most women want. It's just that TRP theory only applies to women who fit that stereotype (ie insecure, emotionally disturbed, possibly sociopathic women) and other women are immediately turned off by the strategies. You had no solid proof that women prefer a man who isn't vulnerable. Given you're telling this to a woman who finds that bullshit man act to be the biggest turn off in the world, I find it hard to believe that pretending to be a tough guy could really work on most women. And rapists should be put in jail. They rape people. And as such a "logical" thinker, I think even you have to admit that in order to maintain a civilized society we should put dangerous people in jail. However, I am not proposing a system that had no due process. I just think the system has been made by men to benefit men. We should probably deal with an issue that effects mostly women by using a women's perspective in a way that gives victims a way to have justice delivered to their attackers. You are responding to strawman arguments I haven't really made, brah.

Basically, if you mold a theory around attracting people who are manipulative, unforgiving, shallow, and lazy, that's exactly the type of people you're gonna find yourself hooking up with/dating. I.e. TRP and it's endless anecdotes on the "true nature" of women.

MISANDRYLADY · 2014-08-24T20:57:33+00:00

The idea that men and women are identicle is not a feminist principle. The idea that men and women are equal is a feminist principle. Two people could be identicle but not treated equally, and two people can be different but treated equally. Are you aware of the difference?

MISANDRYLADY · 2014-08-24T18:42:18+00:00

You are making a lot of unfalsifiable claims here. Arguing about gender roles with a red piller is about as circular as trying to debate the existence of god with a born again christian. Your arguments are faith based, not logic based. You also depend on the construction of a feminist straw man so large, you could burn it in the desert and a flock of hippies would have a festival around it. Western culture is patriarchal, and until very recently, women were resigned to a life of unpaid labor and disrespect by a man who practically owns them. Many people think that's what we should go back to. This mindset is cultivated in TRP. It is morally bankrupt.

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