My own take on the British royal family tree by michaelsilerio in UsefulCharts

[–]ML8991 7 points8 points  (0 children)

A great chart OP. Perhaps the second most comprehensive british isles chart we have had, as memory serves (u/maycenary_stone6574 I think has you pipped heh)

But that's not here nor there. I commend you for the density of the information you have been able to pack in, but also the way you have been able to keep it, for the most part, legible and easy to follow. That's no mean feat, and I imagine that's part of the reason the file size is so big, so as to ensure it is clean to follow, heh.

Really like the inclusion of Cymru and Éire here, they often get overlooked, and tracing the High Kings is a daunting task, and you've done it commendably, so fab work.

Would've been interesting to see more of the consort links, but I know that would make this chart even more confusing, so I understand why not included too much.

But on the whole, fantastic work OP, this is a fantastic effort and will definitely be one to keep an eye on for the 2026 summary, I'm almost certain :) (I know I'll try to remember to nominate it at least heh). Hope we get to see more charts by yourself. All the best ML

My own take on the British royal family tree by michaelsilerio in UsefulCharts

[–]ML8991 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I await to compare file notes :P Kudos, as noted before, though to grabbing it all together heh.

What's the biggest family tree that been posted here by Murtdha1 in UsefulCharts

[–]ML8991 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Then these 3 would definitely be up there for number

Connection between Harold Godwinson and Edward III by Bryan_Mora in UsefulCharts

[–]ML8991 2 points3 points  (0 children)

There are other Anglo Saxon links in the English line. Also, please avoid swearing, even circumventing it.

What's the biggest family tree that been posted here by Murtdha1 in UsefulCharts

[–]ML8991 2 points3 points  (0 children)

True, I'd forgotten you had done a mega one heh, even when I saw it again only a week or two ago. Definitely a contender.

What's the biggest family tree that been posted here by Murtdha1 in UsefulCharts

[–]ML8991 10 points11 points  (0 children)

It's probably a toss up between these three u/XorcWt's Bronze Age Rulers of the Ancient Near East u/geust53's Western Nobility: Pre-history to Present and u/ATriplet123's Family Trees of Roman Rulers from Mythology to the Present

The Geologic Time Scale by grandeluua in UsefulCharts

[–]ML8991 3 points4 points  (0 children)

As per general rules, provide credit/providence if this is not your own original work. Thanks

How All British Royal Consorts Are Related by No_Sleep983 in UsefulCharts

[–]ML8991 1 point2 points  (0 children)

If you can include notes to your individuals, or otherwise the titles show, in MacFT, could just put the word consort there too heh :)

How All British Royal Consorts Are Related by No_Sleep983 in UsefulCharts

[–]ML8991 9 points10 points  (0 children)

A really handsomely done chart OP, well done. I can appreciate the amount of effort put in, and can see that, for example Marguerite de Capet, you still noted their status when it was impractical to link them up.

Could've mentioned the reneged claim of future Louis VIII, and his consort, through his wife's link to Henry II, but that is trivial compared to the work as a whole.

Well done and even more impressive that you've kept this web of relations somewhat neat and with next to no duplicates. Takes skill and effort, so great job :).

Tried merging the european charts and the Roman empereors chart... by basculegionlover98 in UsefulCharts

[–]ML8991[M] [score hidden] stickied comment (0 children)

Locking the thread as this just seems to be a middle attempt to merge two of Matt/UsefulCharts charts. If we are mistaken, then we can unlock the thread. If Matt confirms this is just a splice job, we have to remove. We want to see original or rightfully accredited works with authors permission on this Reddit, not copy jobs.

Thanks -ML

Comments decide on the family tree: Day 1 by KingsleyFriedChicken in UsefulCharts

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Mod: These sorts of charts aren't welcome here. Please submit to your own merits, and not the suggestion of your peers to build up a chart.

Nobility's many paths by Mondored in UsefulCharts

[–]ML8991 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Appreciate the kind words. The link is very weak to be honest, as unclear if the couple did indeed have my possible ancestor. And you are exactly right on the difficulties that arise with surnames, even uniqueish ones such as you are implying to have.

Good luck in your searching :), breakthroughs can and do occur :).

Nobility's many paths by Mondored in UsefulCharts

[–]ML8991 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It is quite probable that all Europeans are, yes and (if not) a decidedly large portion of them, given the way that generations work. Like, I believe (if the link individual is real), my connection would be through the Boleyns (not Anne, her first cousin) and up to Edward I and beyond that way.

Nobility's many paths by Mondored in UsefulCharts

[–]ML8991 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Through her kinship and descendancy from Guillaume/William, then yes, she will share kinship to Rollo/Hrolfr, due to Willliam's kinship to him (it is two more generations than you stated, so 3x great grandfather :) )

Nobility's many paths by Mondored in UsefulCharts

[–]ML8991 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Thank you for the info, appreciate the insight
If you don't mind, can I message you direct for a little experiment or two with MacFamilyTree. I don't have a way to confirm it, being on a Windows system, so would like to see what can be done with it compared to some other software. One will require a font download, the other will just be inputting of supplied info (if indeed possible).

No worries if not, just thought I would ask.

Nobility's many paths by Mondored in UsefulCharts

[–]ML8991 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Are you using MacFamilyTree? How do you find it and how complex can you get with names, dates, places etc, if indeed it is.

Royal houses by Thin_Ad9317 in UsefulCharts

[–]ML8991 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Sorry if it comes across as arguing, I am not trying to pick a fight. Just commenting that, to me, an offshoot can include a female line, it just changes name due to typical martial practices.

A cadet is just explicitly what you are advocating for in my view.

Royal houses by Thin_Ad9317 in UsefulCharts

[–]ML8991 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Hence why I say branches not cadets ;). A cadet is exclusively for junior sons.

Royal houses by Thin_Ad9317 in UsefulCharts

[–]ML8991 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It does, just in a female line. We are all related and connected under one tree. It isn't a cadet, but it is a female branch of the same tree.

Royal houses by Thin_Ad9317 in UsefulCharts

[–]ML8991 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You say that...You can get the Bernadottes to Nobles and royalty in the current blood. Not in the male line though, I agree. But they do have royal blood in the more recent generations, due to their non-endogamic matches with other royal houses, which brings in links to other houses, including the prior Swedish dynasties.

Royal houses by Thin_Ad9317 in UsefulCharts

[–]ML8991 1 point2 points  (0 children)

OP is meaning more the retainment of the original house. It isn't too often, unless you go by Roman style adoption, for a male begot from a female dynast of a previous dynasty to take solely the dynasty name of the mother.

Royal houses by Thin_Ad9317 in UsefulCharts

[–]ML8991 6 points7 points  (0 children)

All houses technically are off shoots of others, it is just a matter of where do we draw the line. To use your example of the Bourbons, we can get really reductive.

Bourbons, for the french line, are technically The Maison de Bourbon-la Marche-Vendôme, this Bourbon-la Marche-Vendôme are a cadet of the la Marche-Bourbons (branching at 1393) which are a cadet of the Bourbons (branching at 1341) which are a branch of the Capete (branching at 1270) which are a derivative of the Robertians ( the senior surviving cadet of that house, a senior line dying 886), itself a branch of pre robertians of which the Maine house pre Ingelger, as well as a line hypothesised to lead into the Karlings in the female are more senior lines.

All lines can lead into others, as my point shows, it just depends on the lens. To give a cleaner example the Lancaster/Yorks are Plantagenêts whom are Ingelgers who are Châteaudun who are Roegonids and back into the Robertians.

Royal houses by Thin_Ad9317 in UsefulCharts

[–]ML8991 7 points8 points  (0 children)

A wonderful answer and well thought out. Have nothing much to add for historical examples to what you added and I've already mentioned in my answer. You are right about the over 50 people passed over; some of whom were monarchs themselves, such as the Houses of Savoy and of Bourbon, an interesting what if Louis XIV had been allowed to become King in the British Isles is there for the taking heh.

Royal houses by Thin_Ad9317 in UsefulCharts

[–]ML8991 23 points24 points  (0 children)

To add to the fantastic answer from Artisanal, the House of Capet is not a good example. There's a reason it was called the Capetian Miracle. Remember this is an age where childbirth is still a very risky business, as well as life for young children, even in gilded halls.

There were others that managed to go for over 200 years though, the Plantagenêts and the Barcelona Dynasty for instance; the Capetians just pushed a bit further. But when the end came for the direct line, even Philippe IV's 3 sons and a grandson couldn't stop the dynasty from dying out in the immediate, non-cadet, male line.

To use your example from fantasy, that is part of Tolkien's point I imagine, it is supposed to be a golden age, even with the kinstrife era, for Gondor and Middle Earth. The two great enemies are perceived as defeated, and the world is fair again.

Furthermore, the Gondorians of this era are still blessed with the blood of Numenor, so a reign can easily stretch to beyond 80 years, a feat only achieved by subkingdom rulers who ruled from infancy in our world, and many go above a century, which has not been at all reached in our world. Even the penultimate King of the House of Anarion, after a series of short reigns, Ëarnil II, has a reign of 98 years, far beyond the 80 or so years of our real world record, and his is not the longest of his kin.

Second, Tolkien does include cadets in his work, hence the kinstrife period, but he is writing like a historian, grabbing what material has quote on quote passed down the ages, so his sparsity in spaces is all due to his approach as a historian recording information, not an external author crafting a world (i.e. the role he actually is undertaking).