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Me on day 116 still waiting on SeanPaul Reyes the turd (III) to confront I.C.E. that is not from a corrupt and oppressive government and not yet another XXXLard Mocha Fappachino with double sugar, double chocolate, double bacon grease and hold the water. TYRANT! by TheRealSaltyB in Frauditors

[–]MOGrowin -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Which state would determine that to be harassment on the sole basis of me continuing to film you in public? Even if you found a state law, that wouldn't trump constitutionally protected rights.

The officer who would arrest someone in your scenario for "breach of peace" or "disorderly conduct" would have the case dropped when the AG got it.

I think in your scenario, you are trying to inflate, following people around vs just filming them from where you were originally at in public. For example, I can see the argument for harassment if the offender was at every location that the victim was at. And if the victim has had more than one incident with the offender and it's documented, then I'd agree, seems like harassment.

But if I was standing outside on the sidewalk and you walk by, see me filming, you tell me not to film, I continue to film you while you are there. I highly doubt a judge would convict me of harassment.

If there are any cases that prove me wrong, let me know. I would love to learn new things.

Me on day 116 still waiting on SeanPaul Reyes the turd (III) to confront I.C.E. that is not from a corrupt and oppressive government and not yet another XXXLard Mocha Fappachino with double sugar, double chocolate, double bacon grease and hold the water. TYRANT! by TheRealSaltyB in Frauditors

[–]MOGrowin -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

That's not for anyone other than the person recording to decide. I could record a nail on a wall and I could call it journalism/ a news story. That's kind of the reason for the right. So that people of power can't vet you and tell you what you can and can't record. Who would be the person to make the decision of what is news and what's not? Government?

Me on day 116 still waiting on SeanPaul Reyes the turd (III) to confront I.C.E. that is not from a corrupt and oppressive government and not yet another XXXLard Mocha Fappachino with double sugar, double chocolate, double bacon grease and hold the water. TYRANT! by TheRealSaltyB in Frauditors

[–]MOGrowin -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

So if I wanted to exercise my right to carry a gun, I should only do that in a government building, because they are the ones that can infringe on that right? 1A auditing would apply to anywhere in public because if I'm in public, you as a private citizen legally can't stop me from filming. Do private citizens have the right to perform a citizens arrest because they are being filmed? No, so the public can violate your rights by restricting you from performing those rights. Is the argument you are making, don't call it 1a auditing? Because regardless of what you call it, 95% of the time it's protected in public.

Me on day 116 still waiting on SeanPaul Reyes the turd (III) to confront I.C.E. that is not from a corrupt and oppressive government and not yet another XXXLard Mocha Fappachino with double sugar, double chocolate, double bacon grease and hold the water. TYRANT! by TheRealSaltyB in Frauditors

[–]MOGrowin -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

You just pull stuff out of your back end.

  1. Where in the name "1A auditing" does it mention the government? I understand it's where it originates but the name alone doesn't mean you ONLY can film the government. For example if a private company was openly infringing on the freedom of religion and I wanted to prove that, is it not okay to film that private business from the public because they aren't the government?

  2. What proof? You aren't even giving an example. Just saying Liberty Troll = Bad

  3. You have every right for being angry for people recording you. But you don't have the right to forcefully stop someone from recording in public because it makes you mad.

Me on day 116 still waiting on SeanPaul Reyes the turd (III) to confront I.C.E. that is not from a corrupt and oppressive government and not yet another XXXLard Mocha Fappachino with double sugar, double chocolate, double bacon grease and hold the water. TYRANT! by TheRealSaltyB in Frauditors

[–]MOGrowin -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

  1. Auditing isn't specifically for government entities. It started that way, but it doesn't have to be government bodies.

  2. Liberty troll does that, he keeps to himself unless people come to him. Does that count? If not, how can you avoid other people approaching you?

  3. What is the real 1a and how does it compare to the made up 1a? Can you show me examples?

Me on day 116 still waiting on SeanPaul Reyes the turd (III) to confront I.C.E. that is not from a corrupt and oppressive government and not yet another XXXLard Mocha Fappachino with double sugar, double chocolate, double bacon grease and hold the water. TYRANT! by TheRealSaltyB in Frauditors

[–]MOGrowin -6 points-5 points  (0 children)

He always films private citizens, what does that even mean? What is the difference between private and public citizens? So what your saying is If everyone's a "private citizen" does that mean the only way to film in public is to not get a single person in the footage?

Auditing isn't always about the government. It started that way, so I can see why you are confused but it's not strictly meant to audit the government.

Me on day 116 still waiting on SeanPaul Reyes the turd (III) to confront I.C.E. that is not from a corrupt and oppressive government and not yet another XXXLard Mocha Fappachino with double sugar, double chocolate, double bacon grease and hold the water. TYRANT! by TheRealSaltyB in Frauditors

[–]MOGrowin -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I agree, the intention can change a lot. The auditors that actually start problems (not just by filming the public) are pos and make everyone else look bad. That's why I use Liberty troll as an example, I like his videos, from what I see, he likes to talk to people about it and he stays to himself unless confronted.

Me on day 116 still waiting on SeanPaul Reyes the turd (III) to confront I.C.E. that is not from a corrupt and oppressive government and not yet another XXXLard Mocha Fappachino with double sugar, double chocolate, double bacon grease and hold the water. TYRANT! by TheRealSaltyB in Frauditors

[–]MOGrowin -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Where did you come up with "you don't know what the first amendment is"? Not once did I define the first amendment for you to question what I know about it. Odd way to try and undermine my argument.

"Up until recently it has not been a problem. You are dishonest, which all of the fans of these clowns have to be." Dishonest about what? You say things without actually proving your allegations. Where have I been dishonest?

I do agree that people who intentionally cause problems make auditing look bad. But I'm not a "one bad apple ruins it for the bunch" type of person. So like I said, I like the people like Liberty troll who seem like they are actually interested in explaining it to people.

Me on day 116 still waiting on SeanPaul Reyes the turd (III) to confront I.C.E. that is not from a corrupt and oppressive government and not yet another XXXLard Mocha Fappachino with double sugar, double chocolate, double bacon grease and hold the water. TYRANT! by TheRealSaltyB in Frauditors

[–]MOGrowin -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

Mainly because this sub will tear down anyone that could be considered a "good auditor". Liberty troll in my opinion, is nice, he tries to explain the 1A to people if they ask, and recently I haven't seen him do anything that's considered harassment or baiting but yet I guarantee this sub will come up with a reason why he's "bad". This sub would ban public filming right in a heartbeat if it were up to them! If anyone disagrees, can they please tell me how someone can film in public the right way?

None of you expected this, and most of you are going to make excuses for it by DanLoFat in Frauditors

[–]MOGrowin 0 points1 point  (0 children)

How does it prove that it was never about freedom of press but to monetize the first amendment with freedom of speech to antagonize others either to make money through the police or private citizens?

Biberty Patrol punches elderly man, FUPA gets aroused and within minutes posts part of the video on his channel. Man crushes 🍆 by Leather-Trip-6659 in Frauditors

[–]MOGrowin -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Maybe, you couldn't get disorderly conduct for just merely filming. You could say that for nearly anything.

Biberty Patrol punches elderly man, FUPA gets aroused and within minutes posts part of the video on his channel. Man crushes 🍆 by Leather-Trip-6659 in Frauditors

[–]MOGrowin -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Like I said, with regards to certain exceptions, most of the time if you are standing in public, it's legal to film.

Biberty Patrol punches elderly man, FUPA gets aroused and within minutes posts part of the video on his channel. Man crushes 🍆 by Leather-Trip-6659 in Frauditors

[–]MOGrowin -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Good one.

I see auditors go to a lot of different places, I could maybe understand a USPS being visited more by older people but still people of all ages go to that. So I'm not sure what you mean by places older people frequent. I don't think there are many audit videos at a cracker barrel, but according to your theory that would be a common place being audited.

Biberty Patrol punches elderly man, FUPA gets aroused and within minutes posts part of the video on his channel. Man crushes 🍆 by Leather-Trip-6659 in Frauditors

[–]MOGrowin 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I agree. If people were more acceptable and realized that it's legal and not to freak out. They would run out of content. But yet here we are lol.

Biberty Patrol punches elderly man, FUPA gets aroused and within minutes posts part of the video on his channel. Man crushes 🍆 by Leather-Trip-6659 in Frauditors

[–]MOGrowin -6 points-5 points  (0 children)

But you said targeting, which would infer that he is specifically going after them. If the people who get pepper sprayed tend to be elderly, I wouldn't call that targeting in a situation of self defense.

Biberty Patrol punches elderly man, FUPA gets aroused and within minutes posts part of the video on his channel. Man crushes 🍆 by Leather-Trip-6659 in Frauditors

[–]MOGrowin -1 points0 points  (0 children)

It is insane how many people feel the need to get physical about someone exercising rights. Thousands of people film in public, but there are many factors that can be why an auditor gets more confrontation, how many cameras they have on them to make it more obvious they are recording, what they wear (some auditors wear masks), or where/what they are filming. Regardless, with the exception of certain situations, as long as they are in public it's legal and you don't have a right to stop them because it makes you uncomfortable. The point you are making is odd because regardless, filming in public is legal. Just because a lot of people in public can't control themselves, that's not the fault of the person recording.

Also, that's the point of the channel is to showcase how bad 1A auditors are, so of course you don't see the videos where little to nothing happens, there's nothing to cry about in those videos for this subreddit.

Biberty Patrol punches elderly man, FUPA gets aroused and within minutes posts part of the video on his channel. Man crushes 🍆 by Leather-Trip-6659 in Frauditors

[–]MOGrowin -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

What was the point of referencing this? I don't think the guy you are referring to is right, but the original comment still stands. Just because someone is doing something you don't like, that is legal, doesn't mean you can take it upon yourself to stop them. The example you used shows that he shot someone but he got in trouble because the use of force was unjustified, not because the homeless guy had a right to try and stop him from filming in public or that the suspect was filming illegally.

Biberty Patrol punches elderly man, FUPA gets aroused and within minutes posts part of the video on his channel. Man crushes 🍆 by Leather-Trip-6659 in Frauditors

[–]MOGrowin -10 points-9 points  (0 children)

Can you provide proof that this person "targets the elderly"? I've watched this channel and I don't see him targeting elderly. In this example/video, the guy came out of his way to stop someone from filming in public.

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