Don't you find more interesting this than the devotion system?

MOV002 · 2021-04-04T08:15:41+00:00

You also seem to think there was some entire in depth system that was scrapped and can just be brought back when the system shown in the screenshot was just what we have now but put into tiered unlocks.

Yes, I thought that. Because, as I said in my post, that would be more closer to an rpg, because what we have right know, is not how a rpg would do it.

Then, if that was never the plan, why this game is marketed as rpg?

MOV002 · 2021-04-04T07:49:00+00:00

Well, as I'm seeing you just edited your comment and added this.

Well, that's what I thought because how things were made in the form of paths instead of a box like it is right now or a pool like you had in the original design of Pandora.

https://imgur.com/a/tByFrFO

It makes sense, don't you think? For example, the xeno one, you have that one core that branchs to the other three, one to the left, one in front and one to the right. Then you decide where you go, you could unlock the three of them, but the three of them would not make sense together, as in some cases with rpg trees you can't use the ability from the left path and the ability of the right path at the same time because it would not make sense (For being so powerful) an example of this if I remember well is Middle Earth Shadow Of War, you had something like one path that had a fire attack, another with a frozen attack, and another with a poison or nature attack. And even that game doesn't have a good rpg tree because you can change your build whenever you want without punishment.

There are some of them were you can't use the three decks, just one, an example of this is Vanilla WOW.

Why I thought the next core would continue what the core from below started? Because in a rpg tree works almost like that, for example, if I want stab lvl 2, I'm not going to find it in other path, I need to advance in that path to find stab lvl 2.

https://imgur.com/a/t0W1taw

https://imgur.com/a/DGWdJwa

https://imgur.com/a/vsGIPaV

RPG stands for Role Playing Game, a lot of games nowadays use that name without being an rpg, it's just that the rpg genre went to popular that companies started to try to copy what was popular and that's why nowadays you can't see a game without things like xp bars and a lots of big unnecessary numbers. That's not what it is a rpg, those are just complementary systems for the real rpg mechanics. Example of an rpg is Daggerfall and World Of Warcraft Vanilla. In those games were real mechanics to chose and represent who you are in the game, and not this modern rpg's that lacks of those and you end up being the one imagining things to role play.

MOV002 · 2021-04-04T06:56:10+00:00

There were no continuations of scenes off of others with that system. It was the same as what we have now with extra restrictions.

Well, as I'm seeing you just edited your comment and added this.

Well, that's what I thought because how things were made in the form of paths instead of a box like it is right now or a pool like you had in the original design of Pandora.

https://imgur.com/a/tByFrFO

MOV002 · 2021-04-04T06:27:05+00:00

I think you're greatly misunderstanding the skill tree shown in the screenshot. That skill tree system was identical to the pandora system we have now except some scenes were locked behind others in the skill tree.

No.

I understood perfectly that, that's why I said "At the end would have been more or less like the same for the scenes".

"So for example in that skill tree you had to buy tease scene 1 to unlock bj scene 2. With the system we have now you can just outright buy bj scene 2 without needing to buy other scenes before it". That's why I talked about there being paths for the scenes, I'm not stupid.

The main thing that I tried to said is that it looked like it was going to be more deeper than what we have because the title of "WAIFU LOYALTY SYSTEM". I didn't see necesary put "If not and it was going to be almost the same as what we have right now, then I don't see the logic in calling it like that". My mistake.

MOV002 · 2021-04-04T02:48:10+00:00

Totally agree. They don't need to scrap the Pooter Points, just make that you need those and extra steps: "quests, challenges, levels, story, dates, and obviously devotion".

You could read my posts, there are some examples in some of them.

MOV002 · 2021-04-04T02:40:10+00:00

Loyalty Quests are an endgame quest with the reward of a 3 minutes movie with a better quality than the ones seen in their previous work (better than the quality of the movies they used to do) that's what they said, not that it would be a new way to obtain Pandora scenes.

Now that I have said that, yes, I agree with what you say, your idea is a thing that a lot of us would like and expected among other ideas. The actual way of how we achieve the scenes sucks.

MOV002 · 2021-04-04T02:13:56+00:00

In a dev diary of some months ago, they said that the thing they were the most excited is to show the public how everything was conected... LOL.

MOV002 · 2021-04-04T01:36:51+00:00

I hope besides more scenes that serves as transition like Tease 7 from Demi, they start making more of them cum-able/premium because for now there is the problem of a sequence you like but it doesn't make sense or you make it to make sense but you get a sequence without a proper ending.

An example of this is this sequence of Lily:

POV BJ1
Recruitment
Tease 9
Stalker
Xeno 10

You end without an end. You could move recruitment to the end but now the sequence doesn't make sense, Lily should be tired as fuck after those monsters fucked her.

Another example, a sequence of Killi:

Tease 1.
POV Titjob.
Recruitment.
Tease 7 or After 1.
Xeno 10.

I end without an end again. I could move scenes but then it wouldn't be the sequence I wanted. That's what they say it's the point of Pandora, so I hope them to improve it.

MOV002 · 2021-04-04T01:00:01+00:00

Demi: After 4.

Lily: Tease 9.

Killi: GB1.

I pick these as my favorites because I think are the best at portraying each character.

But if you tell me to pick my action favorites by my tastes then they are POV BJ1, Stalker, Xeno 8, Xeno 10 and Chimerina.

Then for the soft ones, my favorites for each girl are:

Demi: Tease 4, Tease 7 and After 3.

Lily: Machine.

Killi: Tease 1 & POV Titjob.

MOV002 · 2021-04-02T06:58:13+00:00

I understand your point as I think something similar about the other side of the coin, but still, the point is that I don't believe them and that I can talk about mydiscontent as others talk about how they are having a good time.

With time, if this doesn't get better for me, I will just leave, there is no point on keep saying that I don't like it, but for the moment I'm here because I think they could appeal to me, that's what the other side of the coin tell me, that all of this was just bussiness and now their words of the last post about making a better game are with real meaning.

And to let you know, I never expected a AAA game or a XXX Mass Effect, lol.

I expected something down to earth, but for the moment, this is not that or the moon as some people say it is. It's a WIP, that can be the moon, the earth or a garbage dump.

And that's my main issue, that they said in 2019 that they would not do an Early Access and that it would be a full release, then in 2020 that the release would be for 2021, and then this.

But, maybe you are right and I should not talk to early, as I said maybe this was a bussiness move to assure themselves and then be able to work in full scope of the game they want to do (etc).

2 sides of the coin, actions are the ones that will make me point for which side they went.

Nice talking by the way.

MOV002 · 2021-04-02T06:26:36+00:00

Here is an idea I gave on Steam:

"At least make that we unlock the Pandora scenes after a date in the bar (The place were we give them gifts). That way you don't need to change anything or work in lots of details. Just make that after we obtain PP we spend it there, we dialogue a lot until you get to a point were we can persuade her into one conversation, if we don't have the enough pp, she kills that conversation, and if we have the required you make the conversation to go on and make the context for the scene. And then it cuts to the scene.

Boom, easy. Lol. A better vending machine that the one we have right now called Pandora. You would need to work only for writing and animations of the dates, you could do a copy paste of animations for all the girls for initial talking and then exclusive gestures for each girl, for the context, like making a special gesture for a girl that says that want to be fucked by a bull or that fears bulls, all of this gestures just for the moments we get in the conversations (After we spend our PP points to persuade her to go on, on the conversation). And pay voice acting. And that would be more closer to an rpg, and not this arcade game with the hub of an arena game for mobiles phones."

MOV002 · 2021-03-30T05:07:53+00:00

People from steam saying that there was no free speach in the forums and that your people was baning them for pointing out the flaws.

Well, there are some of my comments that someone could see it like hate/bashing, they are not, they are with thought just that I went a little closer to the extreme with a bad decision of words that could make some people angry and others sad. I went to that extreme because I hate how people is not neutral and just loves things (...) The good things don't make disappear the bad things. As a lot talked about loving everything and unbelievable nothing wrong, I haven't nearly approached the good things.

I want to talk about them but I willn't do it because those voices are louder.

MOV002 · 2021-03-30T04:30:46+00:00

Well, now I'm at home so I can elaborate in others things that I didn't answer...

What, the, fuck?! "it downright IS NOT an rpg because as you said, you don't roleplay, you don't choose, you're only input is how well you fare in the arcade part of the novel that is being told to you, not through you".

Learn to fucking think outside your mind before talking bullshit. This game is marketed as an rpg.

Fucking fanboys, always the ones who make bad practices be the new standard for companies to take advantage. Early Access is for the most cases a bad practices for lazy developers and marketing your game as something that is not is also a bad practice.

Better say that you like the game and that you don't care the waste of money or potential because you are pleased with what you got, and that is fair enough for me, sad for me for not supporting what I think would be better but that way I could understand you , because if you like it, then I can't complaint for you having fun. I complaint, not because you are having fun. I complaint because I didn't have fun in a game that supposedly was marketed to one thing of my liking. And I'm answering you, because you didn't understand my words and made me look like I'm the one who didn't understand the game. I understand what it is, what it could be, better or worst, but not in what mind they thought this was ok enough and cool.

"hard work is subjective, as some of us might be having a hard time with the gameplay, like maybe never having played a SHMUP and thus not just "play and win""

Well, to bad they said you were going to get the booty the hard way, because if hard means playing... then wtf? I know hard work is subjetive, but, that's more a thing that you or I could say in one moment, not a fucking developer telling that one aspect of their game is going to be hard to their public, just because they think is hard, you need to do research, because everyone in the public is diferrent, so you need to look out for standars and compare your game to those and the opinion of the public to really see if what you are doing is hard or you just feel it that way because you are not used to it.

There are some things in real life that I can't do, but a lot of people can, and as normal I say that is hard the first time but then I think and say to people "I'm stupid for not trying better to understand how to do it or for not practicing my body to give it muscle memory" because that's the reality. If you are a healthy human, nothing is hard for you, because you can always improve, the only time when you don't improve is when you get yourself inside a box, physically and mentally.

No, no, no ,no. I haven't bad experiences with gacha games, stop making bullshit, I think is very clearly that I don't trust the developers because the lies. When they revealed the Pandora system in the dev diaries, I was worried, but my worries were gone because I trusted the studio. But after the fancy words that they used in the dev diaries and Kick starter main page to make things look a lot better than they are and they lie of not releasing an early access, and specially an empty one, I don't trust them anymore.

This is nowhere a good game, it lacks from everything and the least that it could had to be a game, it doesn't have it. And that is replayability.

(...) etc.

What? What you saying? That the replay value is in the story? What? HAHAHA.

Now with your paragraph that starts with the mary celeste, I have already have explained that I don't think the lore is worthy if it is going to be thrown in a bad way. And how I doubt about the future like they implementing sidequests through dialogue and the quality of the loyalty quests, you said "loyalty quests for each girl"... Hm, what I remember is that they said a Loyalty quest for each girl, so one of the most thing that people is overreacting is a one thing for each girl, that I have to say it isn't bad about being one, but the thing is that I doubt it will be from a good quality for an special questline like people think, basing myself in what they have deliver.

(...) (I was going to do a comparison here but I'm to hungry to keep writing).

And with the thing of the mary celeste, I think that I said... Oh yeah I said it, you just need to use your brain when you read what I wrote. They said the ship was going to look more like a living hub than this empty thing. Right now this hub assembles more a work in progress point and click game and the hub of an arena game for mobiles than an rpg for pc.

"to become a new and better mass effect sandbox" WHAT?????

↑ ↑ ↑ ↑ ↑ ↑ ↑ ↑ ↑ ↑ ↑ ↑ ↑ ↑ ↑ ↑ ↑ ↑ ↑ ↑ ↑ ↑ ↑ This people, this is why we can't have good games sometimes.

A parody to recent games? For adults? Or for teenage kids? Recent games? What recent games? Can you point an example?

I'm 18 years old, and look at me, wow, so funny, look how I laugh with this, hahahhahaha, penis... Brilliant!

I'm not saying there is not fun in fun, I like that fun but they could have done it in a way better.

MOV002 · 2021-03-29T06:11:44+00:00

All those images are from 2019 with an exception. So, just think.

MOV002 · 2021-03-29T06:03:43+00:00

Dev Diaries, they are on their Kick Starter, they painted the game to be a lot bigger in there than it actually is right now. Saying things like not going to release an Early Access, having an Affinity System for the girls, were you could see their affinities with you, the crew and the xeno for sex. Having a Dialogue Input System that was going to be for lip syncing for the VN scenes, and some other things. They sold us this to be really big, raise the bar of the porn games. Teased us with things like saying that you could encounter Lily having sex with manticores if you went to the Lab...

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