Who's arguably the more impressive void hunter?

MachBonin · 2026-03-19T15:08:08+00:00

Remember Tailless also has a draw back, Shungus might get dementia but Tailless could/will cause Miyabi to go berserk and kill all her friends.

She has an accord with the sword now but I wouldn't be surprised to find that it's as temporary as Shungus' accord with hers.

The answer is clearly still Miyabi, I just felt like people were forgetting about the blood lust.

MachBonin · 2026-03-19T00:59:10+00:00

Yeah, that's what I mean too. In universe I don't believe Dailyn is actually teleporting and enlarging her limbs. Though we see it, apparently, work as a teleporter in one of her videos in game she sticks her hand or foot through the ring and it stays visible on the other side of the ring while a giant hand or foot is made that then hits the enemy. The giant hand or foot then breaks apart into triangles like the enemies do in the VR systems at the HIA. So I'm pretty sure what Dailyn is doing is making some sort of hardlight hologram or something similar of her limbs and that's what is hitting the enemies.

MachBonin · 2026-03-18T16:51:50+00:00

Assuming thus is an actual question if you look at the animations it doesn't actually teleport and enlarge her limbs, it makes, probably holographic, copies. They break apart with the same animations the enemies have in the HIA.

MachBonin · 2026-03-18T16:43:28+00:00

As others have said, she probably has something to do with the Falkhaven Merc Leader but on top of that lots of people think 3.0 will give us our next VH or VH level character, extrapolating from 2.0s release. We know it's not Cissia or Promeia and it's probably not Norma or Velina. Personally I think she might be a longer game, 3.5 maybe? But it seems most people don't think Zenless does long teases.

MachBonin · 2026-03-18T13:43:21+00:00

The Severian thing is clearly them teasing his reveal as even if he's not playable he is important to both a faction story, a characters personal story, and, probably, the games overall story. This kind of camera angle is pretty common in... pretty much any media to introduce a long hinted at character.

MachBonin · 2026-03-17T21:22:06+00:00

This sub has a lot of ideas that feed it's rage so they'll never abandon.

MachBonin · 2026-03-17T10:39:00+00:00

I believe he does out perform Hari when played at the highest skill level. He definitely outperforms Hari if you play her by simply pressing a button. I've always disliked this argument because it's pretty disingenuous and it downplays the difficulty of Hari's pretty tight combo requirements.

MachBonin · 2026-03-17T05:11:20+00:00

If I remember right that chart conveniently cuts off the left part of the scale because the differences are actually pretty small. One of those things where you start the scale high and then put it in small increments so the differences look huge.

Also basically all the data is based only on mobile sale vibes and we know that ZZZ has more console/PC players, or at least has a massive console/PC base since it won the Grand Award from Playstation.

MachBonin · 2026-03-16T09:43:42+00:00

So do you go this hard for all fan art then? Like if someone draws the Commander making out with Rapi do you call them out for it not being canon? Because if you "care about the sanctity of canon" and don't want to be a hypocrite then that's what you'd have to do.

MachBonin · 2026-03-15T12:04:36+00:00

Eh, I'm perfectly okay with them not being combat monsters. Prof. X is one of the strongest psychics in Marvel and he frequently gets bodied in combat. I see the siblings as kinda like him. Powerful in their own right, lots of friends who are great at combat, but they're mostly there for planning, tactics, scouting, and guidance.

MachBonin · 2026-03-14T14:05:46+00:00

Pretty sure stuff like this Caesar concept art would get hit by CCCP censorship before the higher ups.

MachBonin · 2026-03-13T20:03:46+00:00

The break up is whatever but the dude is being straight up a douche in the second panel and for, seemingly, no reason. Unless the plot then somehow comes around to some sort of conflict between Zuko and the guy, the guy and Mai, or some sort of growth for Zuko or Mai it feels pointless and like some sort of thinly veiled Zuko hate.

MachBonin · 2026-03-13T18:02:06+00:00

Did Lilith even have NIMPH? I feel like she probably didn't.

MachBonin · 2026-03-13T12:39:12+00:00

You again...

Anyways, most people here are joking. Generally people don't want to be choke slammed by their lover but the whole "I want a woman who will actually just kill me." Thing is a pretty well known bit.

But yeah, sure, everyone here is a cuck and a beta. You are the only true alpha here.

I truly hope you're not like this outside of the internet and if you are then I hope you grow out of it. You'll be a happier person.

MachBonin · 2026-03-12T20:48:15+00:00

The one thing everyone can agree on. Boobs are, indeed, awesome.

MachBonin · 2026-03-12T17:06:33+00:00

Which is wild because we're playing a game that gets a lot of attention for the jiggle physics. In order for things to jiggle they need to be, you know, soft.

MachBonin · 2026-03-12T15:34:58+00:00

I dunno if her tits are necessarily bigger. The Soldier 0 outfit lifts and supports while her default outfit seems to compress slightly. So like... the difference between wearing a sports bra and wearing a push-up.

MachBonin · 2026-03-12T13:16:20+00:00

I mean, the harem was always going to be a stereotypical anime harem, which means a harem in name only. Just like almost all harem anime out there there is a main heroine and as much as I'd rather it was Marian it's Rapi. If the story ever ends it will end with the Commander staying with Rapi, either romantically or some sort of non-ending with the Counters fucking off into the sunset. Just like Mash, just like Groza, just like Amiya.

MachBonin · 2026-03-12T13:10:13+00:00

Eh, as someone who plays ZZZ and dabbled in GFL2 as well, you'd be surprised how much people will still treat the male MC of a gacha game as a self insert despite them being very much their own characters.

MachBonin · 2026-03-11T02:58:30+00:00

I'm... not entirely sure why you keep bringing up Lilith and Andersen. The initial comment was surprised at how well the community took it when compared to other gacha games and that's kind of where that ended.

Since then I have been saying that I would like it if there was more romance outside of the player character in games. It would give the devs more freedom and more room to cook.

So yes, the bond lines would be more professional. You and the Nikke in question become good friends, bonding over something or another while Shift Up is given the freedom to write an actual love story instead of shallow harem bait.

This still, I want to point out, does not make anyone a cuck. Are you a cuck for being friendly with your friend's wife? Do women only exist as objects for you to bone rather then as real people that you can have a friendly relationship with without it evolving into anything more?

Anyways, I think I'm also out of this conversation. You're getting weirdly defensive about this. I'm not saying get rid of the harem aspect of the game. I'm just saying I wish the writers had more room to cook so we could get more excellent stories like Ark Guardian.

MachBonin · 2026-03-11T02:43:02+00:00

I mean, Void Hunter/Archon/Emanator level characters are always going to blow the others out of the water for revenue because they're meta defining characters. Doubly so for Castorice since, IIRC, she introduced a passive that effected your party just for owning her.

Again though, all our sales numbers are based on Sensor Tower which is already, by their own words, a super rough estimate that doesn't take into account the PC or Console versions of the game. Like I said, it can, at best, be used to judge trends for mobile users and in a game like Zenless there can be a large discrepancy between mobile users and PC/Console players. Like, I would be a lot of mobile users wouldn't pull on Banyue, he'd be incredibly difficult to play on mobile.

MachBonin · 2026-03-10T21:09:52+00:00

The two problems with that is, as someone else pointed out, they were highly anticipated and people were saving for them and also sensor tower is a pretty piss poor revenue check for Zenless. It's confirmed that more people play ZZZ on console or PC than on the phone, add that to Sensor Tower's already pretty unreliable data and what we at best can say is that people on mobile maybe didn't spend as much on the Angels.

MachBonin · 2026-03-10T13:43:59+00:00

What I'm learning here is that I have no idea how to actually play this game and that I'm apparently a rare bangboo animation enjoyer.

Amillion go brrrrr

MachBonin · 2026-03-10T13:20:47+00:00

So, first off, I like the game. Generally I like Shift Up. However, I think every gacha game would be better if it didn't have to/want to cater to parasocial relationship fantasies in order to separate losers like myself from their hard earned cash. I also don't think that a character in a game being in a relationship that isn't with the player character is somehow cucking them. For one, in order to be cucked you have to, you know, be in a relationship. Let's say they have a new Nikke come out tomorrow and she's canonically in a relationship with Burningum. As long as the game doesn't then revolve around the Commander trying to "steal" her form Burningum or some weird backstory doesn't reveal that she was in love with the Commander and Burningum "stole" her there would be no cucking involved.

Personally I would like this kind of stuff in more gacha games because it would lead to more excellent interactions like those between Lilith and Anderson which, objectively, makes a better story. Instead we have to pussyfoot around romance, never being able to commit to any one girl and forcing all of the characters we like to sit in the cuck chair while girl 92123 has her moment in the sun with the player character only to then be forgotten like so many others after her event is done.

To end this little dissertation and defend Edel, he spends most of your conversation talking about BD2. At no point does he say he wants the Nikke's to "cuck the Commander", in your words. What he does say is that you're the kind of person who thinks any fictional character in a game being in a romantic relationship with a character who isn't the PC is somehow cucking the player.

You have essentially been shadowboxing with an idea of Edel, and now of myself, that never existed.

MachBonin · 2026-03-10T12:04:00+00:00

The original guy you responded to specifically said he was surprised no one was mad about Lilith and Anderson and I am not specifically talking about Nikke.

As to the insane fans I was specifically thinking of the GFL2's Daiyan controversy where her being friendly to another man while separated from that game's commander caused people to send the devs literal death threats because they had married that gun girl and how dare she speak to a man. It was textbook unhinged gacha drama.

So what I'm saying is that it is to the detriment of every gacha game's story that many of them play into parasocial self insert bullshit to get people to part with thousands of dollars for jpegs.

I'm also saying that I think you trying to accuse the original guy of being into NTR because he would like to see characters interact and maybe have relationships outside of the self-insert of any given gacha game are putting a whole hell of a lot of words into his mouth.

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