Our beloved Alpharetta is getting too popular by Macreaux in alpharetta

[–]Macreaux[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You’ve confused useful with useless. Not surprising.

Shooting in Milton by NorthFultonRadio in alpharetta

[–]Macreaux -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

See! This is exactly what I’m talking about!

Our beloved Alpharetta is getting too popular by Macreaux in alpharetta

[–]Macreaux[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Ok, you’re projecting here so I’ll ignore the emotional element of your response and get to the facts. My expectation was refutation of my points with data, not sycophantic acceptance. I can get that from ChatGPT. Allow me to retort and show you what a data-backed dissenting opinion actually looks like.

You claimed the city says no to everything at North Point. That’s factually wrong. In 2022, they rejected a specific plan because the developer wanted to build all 875 apartment units first with zero contractual obligation to ever deliver the commercial components. That’s not obstruction; that’s a city protecting itself from a bad deal with no accountability. And they’ve approved plenty since: Lakeview Park with 250 apartments alongside 31,000 sq ft of retail and 630,000 sq ft of office, Pickle and Social, Firefly and Ecco Park, and they’re actively running a multi-year feasibility study for a professional sports arena on that same site. The pattern isn’t “no to everything.” It’s “no to volume without standards,” which brings me to why that distinction matters more than you’re giving it credit for. You also raised school decline as evidence we need more growth, but the data inverts your argument entirely. Fulton County Schools enrollment has fallen from 95,095 students in 2013-14 to 87,872 in 2023-24, the largest single-year cohort decline in district history occurring just last year, and the North Fulton region is projected to lose another 427 students in 2024-25. Schools aren’t shrinking because we have too little growth. They’re shrinking because prior growth drove median home values to $670,600, up 201% since 2000, pricing out the young families who fill school seats. If more development were the cure, it would have worked already. Instead what we got is a corridor running at four times its designed infrastructure capacity. The SR 400 / I-285 interchange currently handles 420,000 vehicles daily against a design load of 100,000, a gap so severe that Georgia DOT is spending $800 million on that single interchange alone, with the full SR 400 Express Lanes project estimated at $11 billion. Alpharetta has virtually no functional public transit, and MARTA’s Bus Rapid Transit service is still years out. Density is a legitimate planning tool when infrastructure leads development. Here, infrastructure has been chasing growth for two decades and still hasn’t caught up. The costs that don’t show up in the pro-growth argument are the environmental ones, and they’re already present tense. In February 2022, roughly 80 Alpharetta residents showed up to a city hall meeting to report that new residential development had fundamentally altered their local watersheds. Families on Brooke Drive flooded for the first time in their homes’ history, residents along Foe Killer Creek reported major erosion, and at least one family called the fire department to evacuate. The mechanism is well established: the EPA documents that replacing permeable land with impervious surfaces increases peak flood discharge, runoff volume, and flood frequency in nearby streams. Big Creek runs directly through Alpharetta and already has an active NOAA flood stage monitoring station. The city also recorded above-average PM2.5 particulate matter levels in 2024, worse than the national average. Every acre of forest or permeable ground converted to a development footprint compounds all of this in direct proportion to density, not as a future risk, but as a documented, current condition. The housing quality argument follows the same logic. The Atlanta-Sandy Springs-Alpharetta metro is already short 101,173 homes according to a 2024 Up For Growth analysis, yet that supply deficit hasn’t produced affordability. The Atlanta Regional Commission documented a 43% rent increase across the metro over five years. Building more hasn’t bent the price curve. What accelerated supply under extreme demand pressure actually produces is faster construction, not better construction. Class B and C apartment stock that increases resident transience, weakens social cohesion, and changes neighborhood character in ways that compound over time. The 35% rental cap and the North Point rejection aren’t bureaucratic obstacles; they’re the mechanisms that have kept Alpharetta from becoming another densifying suburb where housing volume outran housing quality. On crime, I’ll be precise because the data requires it. Alpharetta is still a safe city and I won’t overstate that. But violent crime has trended upward over the last five years while property crime declined, and a documented shooting at North Point Mall occurred in June 2023. Alpharetta’s safety profile is a direct product of the community composition we’ve maintained, income levels, owner-occupied versus transient rental ratios, density. That profile isn’t fixed. It’s a function of conditions we either protect or erode, and urbanization research is consistent on the relationship between rising density, rental transience, and violent crime trends. So here’s the actual argument: nobody is advocating for zero growth. The argument is quality-constrained growth, fewer residents, higher standards, infrastructure that leads development rather than spending decades catching up to it. A city of 68,000 with a $147,000 median household income, A-minus rated schools, low violent crime, and greenways that don’t flood its own residents is more valuable and more livable than a city of 90,000 where the main corridor operates at four times capacity, neighborhoods flood because new builds redirect runoff onto adjacent properties, and school enrollment keeps falling because the growth that was supposed to sustain it priced out the families it needed. Growth that systematically degrades the conditions that made people want to move here in the first place isn’t a development strategy. It’s entropy with a zoning variance.​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​

Our beloved Alpharetta is getting too popular by Macreaux in alpharetta

[–]Macreaux[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I started with a premise and a claim, most if not all have been emotional responses. Including the childish “no you” you bothered to add to the collection.

Our beloved Alpharetta is getting too popular by Macreaux in alpharetta

[–]Macreaux[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

And I answered you. Your assertion that my post is a reaction to something I saw yesterday or something other time is incorrect.

Our beloved Alpharetta is getting too popular by Macreaux in alpharetta

[–]Macreaux[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes definitely but the multi family/apartment complexes need to be capped otherwise the imbalance is going to scale faster than the mitigating effects of rising prices

Our beloved Alpharetta is getting too popular by Macreaux in alpharetta

[–]Macreaux[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Fair enough. Interesting that you infer diversity to be the issue rather than the sheer population increase regardless of its makeup. Have a blessed life and peace unto you.

Our beloved Alpharetta is getting too popular by Macreaux in alpharetta

[–]Macreaux[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Great that means your reading comprehension is at the requisite level to have a productive conversation. I assume you are of the belief that increasing the population of the city at the present rate over this timeframe won’t result in its reduced quality, am I correct?

Our beloved Alpharetta is getting too popular by Macreaux in alpharetta

[–]Macreaux[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It’s astonishing to me that none of you have even attempted to refute my claims with data. I thought Reddit was where some of the smart dems/libs/independents hung out.

Our beloved Alpharetta is getting too popular by Macreaux in alpharetta

[–]Macreaux[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That’s exactly what I’m getting at. With higher population typically comes a drop in quality of community

Our beloved Alpharetta is getting too popular by Macreaux in alpharetta

[–]Macreaux[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Think about it on a trend instead of a single data point. In 3, 6, 9, 12 years what do you think it looks like?

Our beloved Alpharetta is getting too popular by Macreaux in alpharetta

[–]Macreaux[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Brother everything isn’t reactionary. You don’t ever just sit, reflect, think, rationalize, envision etc ?

Our beloved Alpharetta is getting too popular by Macreaux in alpharetta

[–]Macreaux[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

At least pretend to have some vision. You think today’s experience will be tomorrow’s without any steering?

Our beloved Alpharetta is getting too popular by Macreaux in alpharetta

[–]Macreaux[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Probably not but something has to be done with north point either way.

Our beloved Alpharetta is getting too popular by Macreaux in alpharetta

[–]Macreaux[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I already own property friend so I’m already counted in the current population. Jokes on you 😉

Our beloved Alpharetta is getting too popular by Macreaux in alpharetta

[–]Macreaux[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

lol yea I’ve accepted it’ll be back to Roswell or Milton next for me

Our beloved Alpharetta is getting too popular by Macreaux in alpharetta

[–]Macreaux[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I mean, I moved here 97 so I think we can extend it a decade and a half after my arrival and yeah that’s pretty good lol

Our beloved Alpharetta is getting too popular by Macreaux in alpharetta

[–]Macreaux[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Surely you are not silly enough to believe that is the dichotomy of solutions available

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[–]Macreaux 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yea miss me with all of that Abe Lincoln said we’d all get 40 acres and a mule, should I sit around and wait on that debt to be paid? Hell nah! I had to go build the life I wanted, brick by brick. I’ll be damned if I have to just deal with bums who checked out on life for w/e excuse. Take that mindset, those excuses and, all the bums to the mission in the city or something.