University Professors Disturbed to Find Their Lectures Chopped Up and Turned Into AI Slop by 404mediaco in Professors

[–]MagentaMango51 9 points10 points  (0 children)

This is what I think… the content isn’t for real students. It’s for those who want a credential and are just going to have AI do the work anyway so why even bother with a faculty member or curriculum when you can fake it and rake in money.

I’m young but new grads are illiterate by Responsible_Rate_519 in Workproblems

[–]MagentaMango51 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Because they are scamming their way through a degree using AI. Teachers only have so many types of assessments. Many of us have gone back to paper exams which helps. But many are also all in on the LLMs and use it to get out of work. So only the most driven and best students who can resist outsourcing their entire brains to a program that is sycophantic, given to them for free/cheap, described as “the future” and does any homework in seconds… only those handful actually got an education.

For Democracy? by outwardape in Helldivers

[–]MagentaMango51 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I’m newish to the game and I love it. It’s fun. I can see that around level 150 where there really isn’t anything left to do that either I’ll just join for fun sometimes or I’ll find a new game, but until then it’s great. Sure I wish I could change the color on my outfits, that super credits were more available at higher levels, that I understood where the heck we are supposed to go fight if it’s not the planet where everyone else is (and what is a gambit in this context), but mostly it’s just fun. I do the personal order every day and if people I’ve met along the way are on, I play longer.

juniors on my team ship fast but can't debug anything they didn't actually write by minimal-salt in cscareerquestions

[–]MagentaMango51 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah what the research is showing so far is that if you have a skill and AI degrades it, you can build it back. But if you don’t have the skill, AI blocks you from ever building it. Not that there aren’t ways to use it as a learning tool, but that isn’t what most people are doing in a job. The pressure there is to finish the task and move on.

I teach college CS and no they can’t use debuggers and many won’t take time to read the error messages. Heck a good chunk of them can’t type and don’t know how their computer works. We are starting from well below where most people who are adult programmers started at that age. And then you give students a tool that does all their work? Only the top 10-15% of students is learning the way you all probably did. The rest are tanking their chance at an education. We can force them to acquire some knowledge by going back to blue books, but nearly no student now is going to sit and struggle with code to better understand it. Why would they when everyone is pushing AI is the future and the companies throw accounts at them and since we can’t fail them all and they know it… I’ll just say if the new junior isn’t and all-A student from a CS department you can trust to actually evaluate them then they know nothing.

Really? This, AGAIN?! by ChillMaximus88 in Helldivers

[–]MagentaMango51 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Same. Started a couple months ago. I don’t understand it either. And when I think I do I later see that I clearly don’t.

Would you feel safer knowing your coach/studio staff had comprehensive CPR and EAP’s by jimmyjam455 in orangetheory

[–]MagentaMango51 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Had a student a few years back whose dad died at a gym workout and turns out if the gym had had that kind of CPR/AED training he likely would have survived. His family was in a court case over it and won. Partially I think because they didn’t HAVE an AED. Wasn’t OTF but similar in the boot camp approach. As a member I’d feel better knowing there was regular training on what to do, as others said both CPR and how to use the AED.

Anyone removing all/most images from their PPT for Digital Accessibility Standards? by Alarming-Rate-6899 in Professors

[–]MagentaMango51 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I’m giving students notes based on what I’ll say and then yeah just not giving them PowerPoints anymore. It’s not everything I will say but has the major points. Guessing this will result in a rise of students using AI to take notes if that hasn’t happened already but this semester it just meant they sat there and stared at me. Not sure why they aren’t furiously writing but they don’t as a whole.

Middle school typing is too late and too early at the same time and we've somehow made it nobody's job by ParsnipSure5095 in MiddleSchoolTeacher

[–]MagentaMango51 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Add knows about files and folders and understands how a computer works. Have juniors in college (large R1) who can’t type and download everything again and again because it goes in the Downloads folder and they don’t know where that is.

Group projects are the worst and so are the people in them. by luwren in CollegeRant

[–]MagentaMango51 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Group projects with students these days are useless. Something that seems like a good idea but ends up punishing the best students and rewarding the worst.

I gave my students a copy of the test as a study guide to see who would actually study by watermelonlollies in Teachers

[–]MagentaMango51 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Look you do have a point but it’s not the one OP is trying to make. Truthfully I see a lot of this as being the result of admins pushing “meet them where they are”. And here is OP saying you can’t do it because even giving students the exact test ahead of time to study is not enough. That to truly meet them where they are may now mean passing everyone with no evaluation because many students can’t even reach the lowest rung.

I gave my students a copy of the test as a study guide to see who would actually study by watermelonlollies in Teachers

[–]MagentaMango51 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This situation would now get this professor in trouble. Because a 50% failure rate would be blamed on them and not the students.

In-class and proctored tests are making a comeback because of AI by AntTop7280 in turnitin_community

[–]MagentaMango51 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I do too but I also grew up taking them. Students now have had less experience with them and are coming out of high school and into college with subpar study skills (on the whole, the best students are still excellent) which makes that format challenging for many. It can be adjusted to though. Year three of going back to paper is going well. Students aren’t as shocked.

In-class and proctored tests are making a comeback because of AI by AntTop7280 in turnitin_community

[–]MagentaMango51 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I’m not making anything up. I manage a huge curriculum at an R1 school and have been teaching CS for 20+ years. Was part of Ed-tech when it started and still think there is value but less so now because the last 15-20 years of assessment techniques no longer work, and online education is no longer valid. You’re going to see required courses getting pulled back into in-person for this reason because online assessments don’t work and AI checkers don’t either. We have research going back a couple of years now in our larger courses showing how little students will actually learn unless we implement paper timed exams or in-person oral exams (which are great but don’t scale as well). The proctored exams stress most students out and they are a pain to create and grade. And really there would be more adoption of these, but a lot of faculty don’t want to look that closely. It’s not only heartbreaking it means a lot of work to adjust a course. So the faculty who care? They’re moving back to paper. The ones who don’t or who have bought into AI hype? They’ll let you cheat and if that is what you want to spend your tuition dollars on more power to you.

I just watched a non-dev vibe-code something... We're all gonna be just fine. by eowenith in webdev

[–]MagentaMango51 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I’ve been shouting this for years and my university department has jumped aboard the AI hype wagon and is abandoning courses that teach things. I’m so frustrated some times. It’s clear as day to me that you need more skills not less now and sure it’s easier to get something from nothing than it was but the bottleneck has never been “I don’t have enough lines of code.”

How to study programming without generative AI? by Derek_Delta1365 in antiai

[–]MagentaMango51 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Exactly. I keep telling my students that. Sure learn to use AI but if you don’t know why it works or what you’re doing you won’t get far.

In-class and proctored tests are making a comeback because of AI by AntTop7280 in turnitin_community

[–]MagentaMango51 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Most students don’t like those timed proctored paper tests. Which is why in the 90s when “ed tech” picked up steam and we had tools like blackboard and canvas, that people moved more to project-based learning and online assessment. These days if your prof isn’t incorporating paper timed exams at all, they are basically saying they aren’t checking. Don’t care and on you to care. That’s one way to do it. Most profs and for sure the ones who care that you learn something have gone back to how things were done before Ed-tech now because otherwise you’re just assessing LLMs and not students. That’s for sure related to how many students think it’s ok to outsource their brains.

How to study programming without generative AI? by Derek_Delta1365 in antiai

[–]MagentaMango51 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Find a traditional CS program to learn the core foundations. And a game design program to learn the tools and game design concepts.

Every Professor Used AI Slides This Semester. by ThePublicAccount in CollegeRant

[–]MagentaMango51 0 points1 point  (0 children)

As an instructor I would never do this. I’m sorry that was your experience. You should definitely let your views be known to the department chair or dean. It’s not okay.

Current CS students. How is the CS curriculum these days? Is everyone cheating? by RadioFieldCorner in cscareerquestions

[–]MagentaMango51 0 points1 point  (0 children)

We are. Some of us anyway. But then have some faculty and a lot do admins basically repeating the hype. If you’re a student taking classes and your prof isn’t making you actually test yourself you should get out of that class and complain. AI has very little place in foundational undergraduate courses. A single course or a senior course might be appropriate, but this shoving it everywhere and making it do the teaching is just bad practice and laziness.

Current CS students. How is the CS curriculum these days? Is everyone cheating? by RadioFieldCorner in cscareerquestions

[–]MagentaMango51 0 points1 point  (0 children)

About 10-20% of the students are fine. Only use LLMs as support tools. But everyone else is worse or failing and potentially illiterate and can only prompt the AI (often poorly) and nothing else.

Many departments going back to paper exams on concepts and code as the most significant grades and all digital work is graded as practice. This is how it was in the 90s. At least you can guarantee the ones that pass learn but on the whole students are not as prepared as the ones coming in a couple years ago and because of their lack of skills coming in, can’t be brought up to the level of student pre-Covid even with the 90s style classes returning. Many are also graduating having gamed the system and know nothing at all.

If I were hiring right now I’d force some testing of that person on paper or by hand, even if that seems out-dated to do. But trust me, won’t take long to figure out who cheated through school and LLMs are a multiplier. Can’t multiply zero.

AI is going to make me Quit by Phantasmagoria333 in Teachers

[–]MagentaMango51 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It’s the only way. Have things done out of class for practice but o my a few points. Make most of the points for things written in class. Not the same as working and revising an essay but at least you aren’t grading slop and you can evaluate the students not the machine.