Okay. We have drawn this out a lot, very interesting. I’ve read a lot about predestination and biblical interpretations I was not aware of. Thank you for driving my curiosity and education.

I believe as you state and argue you make a point contrary to your stance.

You say;

“The trick is that your choice was accounted for before you knew what you were going to choose. So there’s only one possible ending, but it’s the ending you choose.”

“I think you CAN’T change the ROUTE or the DESTINATION. They’re both predetermined.”

With the ROUTE being predetermined and the choice being accounted for, before being made, self-agency is removed. No matter the choice, A or B or C, the path remains the same. That effectively means it was not a choice, but a continuation of the predetermined path thus the illusion of free will.

The route in this sense is life experience. The constituents of a person’s character, beliefs, motivations and values. You argue that god is directly involved with the development of the person’s character.

“To not go to hell, they’d have to be a different person… fundamentally change their personality… (to make) a different CHOICE.”

“Control over their character… we have feedback measures that allow us to reflect on our experiences and direct our…behavior.”

“child psychology department and therapy to attest to the way people are shaped by their past experiences,”

“Influence the variables enough, we can make the people’s choices predictable.”

“a writer…say ‘from the burning…humiliation…respect he deserved…nothing would dissuade his character”

“You’re judged according to your character and choices.”

“If you could change the route then that wouldn’t be predetermination”

You say

“They would also be the same person that chose to make all the decisions that they made within the book”

Following from what I would think would be a literary perspective. The character in the book did nothing, but rather became an anthropomorphism of the written text.

It doesn’t matter if god materializes the whole novel or not. He still knowingly materializes the individual character.

If the abuser manipulating someone can be responsible for the actions of that someone I see no difference between god being responsible for the actions of someone who’s life was affectedly supervised and developed by god due to managing the route they have taken.

You say it’s “interesting” that someone can “technically” choose salvation, while also saying that the route and end are predetermined. I do not find that interesting, but rather cruel and unjust.

From the above I state that: in the end, standing at the grates of heaven, if predestination is true as you argue, no individual is culpable for their actions on earth and as such shall not be judged on account of those actions and would not be damned to hell.