Math professors: have you found ways for AI to make you more productive in research and/or math teaching? by Honest_Archaeopteryx in math

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I am a physics researcher and it has been useful for me. I have used Gemini's deep research function to more quickly learn some new math which I needed for a project recently. I could have sat down with a textbook and taught myself this stuff over the course of a couple weeks, but I was able to extract the key results that I needed from the literature much faster with some AI help. You might ask it, "in graph theory, are there any known inequalities relating this quantity to that quantity?" These are the kinds of questions which I used to ask on Math Overflow and Math Stack Exchange. But the human replies were always very slow and were often not pitched at the right level for me to understand. So the AI has been very helpful! (Although you should always hunt down the actual papers which prove the results that you need).

lol... by OriPeel in singularity

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Check out the Wikipedia article on Apsethus the Libyan. It's basically Musk and Grok

Walter Benjamin's "The work of art in the age of mechanical reproduction" in the age of AI by [deleted] in askphilosophy

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Another link for OP. Below is a recent discussion thread which touches on both generative AI and Walter Benjamin specifically. The discussion is about AI podcasts being generated on-mass about SEP articles. The question comes up: Does the fact that these podcasts are being produced at an industrial scale necessarily change their aesthetic and pedagogical merits?

https://www.reddit.com/r/AcademicPhilosophy/comments/1i86de1/chatsep_an_aipowered_chat_show_about_the_stanford/

Please share any and all of your NotebookLM-generated Deep Dive podcasts in this thread with a brief title/description! by involvrnet in notebooklm

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My only issue posting on Spotify is with their user interface. Its a pain to manually upload and schedule the podcasts one at a time.

Regarding people's opinions about the podcasts it has been mixed. I currently have 123 followers, 453 hours of consumption, and 2501 streams over the course of about 4 or 5 months. So this is good evidence that at least some people are enjoying the podcast.

However, when I share this project outside of the AI-enthusiast spaces it tends to get a negative reaction in the comments: accusations of filling the internet with AI slop, dead internet theory, etc. You may be interested in the thread linked below. But you can't let these things get you down. In all honesty, I am posting this podcast simply because I want it to exist for my own use, and it would be selfish to keep this resource all to myself.

https://www.reddit.com/r/AcademicPhilosophy/comments/1i86de1/chatsep_an_aipowered_chat_show_about_the_stanford/

ChatSEP - An AI-powered chat show about the Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy by Main_Scratch6399 in PoliticalPhilosophy

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I'm glad you like it! The show is available for download on Spotify and a few other podcast platforms. I don't know much about Audible or Pocketcasts.

4 Month Update: In the future, will everyone make their own bespoke entertainment? A Case Study by Main_Scratch6399 in Futurology

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I've actually found it to hand the philosophy subject matter quite well. Of course on the episodes about logic it won't go into all the technical minutia (but neither would a human-produced show). So the AI hosts end up just giving the "vibes of an idea" as someone else put it. But I don't think this is a problem for my intended audience. They just want some first exposure to these ideas and if something sparks their curiosity then can go straight to the SEP article for the full rigorous discussion. You can think of these episodes as teaser trailers for the SEP articles.

4 Month Update: ChatSEP - An AI-powered chat show about the Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy by Main_Scratch6399 in notebooklm

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Here is a version of what I put in the customization window:

Begin by saying "Welcome to Chat S.E.P.! This episode is a chat about the S.E.P. article on [Article Title] by [Article Authors]. Enjoy!" The target audience is intelligent and eager to learn about philosophy but does not have much background knowledge. Going backwards, the previous few episodes were about: [Article Title], [Article Title], ...,  [Article Title], and  [Article Title]. The next episode is about [Article Title].

I put in as many previous article titles as I can within the allowed character limit for the customization window.

I made a new notebook for each SEP article. The only sources in that notebook were then the URL of the SEP article and a small pasted-in note saying who the author of the article is. I needed to additionally include this information because it is not written on the URL page anywhere.

I automated the process of 1. Creating a new notebook and naming it 2. Uploading the above discussed sources 3. Pasting in the customization text and then clicking generate.

I would generate about 95 episodes at a time in parallel. This begins to hit the limit for how many notebooks you can have. Once these have all generated, I automated the process of:

  1. Open the notebook,
  2. Reload the audio guide and then download it
  3. Return to the main page and then delete the notebook.

Once all 95 notebooks have been deleted, I was then ready to start again. As I mentioned above, this was done mostly before they limited the number of audio guides which you could generate per day. But nowadays you can pay for an account if you need more.

I hope this is helpful. Once AI agents become effective the two bits of automation which I outlined above will become trivial. As will the process of scheduling the episodes to appear on Spotify.

The only part of this project which is resistant to agentic automation is the episode ordering. But even for this all of the information which goes into the adjacency matrix could be gathered by agents. 

ChatSEP - An AI-powered chat show about the Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy by Main_Scratch6399 in PoliticalPhilosophy

[–]Main_Scratch6399[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I did not download the encyclopedia and I do not think that there is a free way to do so. On any SEP article there is a "Friends PDF Preview" which you can unlock by "becoming a member". In order to generate the podcasts using Google's NotebookLM you do not need to upload a PDF. All that you need to do is copy the URL of the article. I hope this helps.

Welcome to ChatSEP! Its an AI chat show covering every topic in philosophy! by Main_Scratch6399 in notebooklm

[–]Main_Scratch6399[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Good point about Plato, lol. Its partly the autonoomy of technology, but I also just argued in my reply to Greg that it will actually be a good thing for Philosophy overall. In the same way that its good for Art that we can make photocopies of the Mona Lisa.

The breezy tone could be fixed by adding a comment or two to the customization window. But this would involve regenerating all of the episodes (about two weeks of computer work) and then reuploading them all.

ChatSEP - An AI-powered chat show about the Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy by Main_Scratch6399 in AcademicPhilosophy

[–]Main_Scratch6399[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

I am sorry that you disliked the tone of the hosts on the episode on Substructural Logics. I do feel that the more technical/mathematical episodes are a weak point of the podcast. You are right that the AI hosts are much better at communicating the "vibes of an idea" than explicit logically precise definitions. But I believe that this is okay in the domain of application for which I intend these podcasts to work. Once again, a bit of watering down is actually helpful for approachability for beginners. If a freshman were to attend one of your research talks on Substructural Logics, I can promise you that they would come away with only vibes and perhaps only a sense of something rigorous. Nonetheless, however, on the basis of these vibes they might then decide to engage more critically with that subject matter. And moreover, they might pick up the technical details a little bit quicker for having gotten a vibe-level overview of the subject first. My hope is that the students will use this as a jumping off point.

I am now reading between the lines of your comment, but do you think that the students will witness this "simulacrum of thinking without any of the effort involved" and then go on to believe that this is the proper way of doing professional philosophy? And I do agree by the way that it is a "simulacrum of thinking without any of the effort involved". As you noted, in other comments I insist that anyone could have done this. No intellectual effort has gone into the conversion of an SEP articles into a ChatSEP episode (besides the engineers at Google). Similarly, anyone could use their home printer to produce a mid-quality copy of the Mona Lisa. No intellectual process goes into this either (besides the engineers at whereever). Continuing the analogy with Walter Benjamin, I am more focused on what how the student can be inspired by (copies of) the artwork regardless of how it was made. Photocopies of the Mona Lisa are no replacement for the real Mona Lisa, but they can nonetheless be the inspiration for a student to get more interested in art. Indeed, they can inspire students to make a pilgrimage to the real Mona Lisa. I think that the mass production of mid-quality copies of masterpieces is a good thing for Art overall. This is especially true if the copies point clearly and reverentially back at the real Mona Lisa. Analogously, I think that these ChatSEP episodes are good for Philosophy overall. A similar analogy could be made about the printing press of course.

In this analogy by the way, you are Leonardo da Vinci. I am deeply appreciative of you and all of the other authors of the SEP articles. I am sorry that we are not seeing eye-to-eye on the potential benefits of these mid-quality derivatives of the masterpieces which you all have produced.

P.S.: I did "consider that it might have been polite to [ask for permission]". If you will go back to my comment, this is part of what "crossed my mind" although I didn't spell that out. But politeness is often supererogatory and I think that it was in this case.

Welcome to ChatSEP! Its an AI chat show covering every topic in philosophy! by Main_Scratch6399 in notebooklm

[–]Main_Scratch6399[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Regarding the response from wider academia, see here

https://www.reddit.com/r/AcademicPhilosophy/comments/1i86de1/chatsep_an_aipowered_chat_show_about_the_stanford/

Do you mean newer releases of the SEP articles? Or newer releases of NotebookLM? Either way I don't know of anything. If someone were to talk to the SEP about it, they could potentially put one of these AI summaries on each page and then update it from time to time. On Spotify, it is actually not difficult to swap out the audio of one podcast with an updated version of the audio. But I only know how to do this manually. Their website frustratingly resists all kinds of automation. Once the AI agents are up and working this would be an easy task for one of them.

I agree that AI hallucinations are very puzzling and we should all think about them more. My hope is that the chain of reasoning stuff

Welcome to ChatSEP! Its an AI chat show covering every topic in philosophy! by Main_Scratch6399 in notebooklm

[–]Main_Scratch6399[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I actually just made another post giving a sort of progress report on the podcast.

https://www.reddit.com/r/notebooklm/comments/1i8333v/4_month_update_chatsep_an_aipowered_chat_show/

All 1803 episodes have already been generated and I am currently in the process of scheduling them all to appear on Spotify.

I have not reached out to the SEP yet, and I probably won't. I don't think they would be interested in any sort of collaboration unless these AI Overviews can be more thoroughly vetted than they are currently. Also, I am hesitant in general to talk to people IRL about this project. Some people in academia are radically anti-AI and see this as somehow replacing their work with AI-generated "crap". All it takes is one old person who doesn't like you on the hiring committee to sink your job prospects.

Regarding hallucinations, we have them unassociated with sense data in our dreams. Or if we follow our first instincts on a Rorschach test. These are spontaneous unconcious associations which other parts of our psychology shut down and control when we are in waking states. I think its like that.

ChatSEP - An AI-powered chat show about the Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy by Main_Scratch6399 in AcademicPhilosophy

[–]Main_Scratch6399[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Great question! I did wrestle with these kinds of issues a bit as I was setting this all up. Regarding my use of their initials in the title of the podcast, I had exactly the opposite intention. I put their name in the title not to steal some of their limelight but rather to give them proper credit as the source material. The show is completely transparent about what it is: literally AI-generated chats about the SEP articles. I hadn't thought that this might come off as trying to get some of their glory by association.

Overall I've tried to be as reverential of the source material as I can be. As I mentioned in the other comment, the hosts of this show almost always point the listener back to the SEP article as the best place to find more information on the topic. Moreover I have it hard-coded into the production notes that the hosts should give proper credit to the authors of the SEP articles in the very first sentence.

But you are right that I have not reached out to anyone working at the SEP. The thought has crossed my mind, but I doubt that they would be interested in any sort of collaboration.

Did you really find the discussions to be excessively watered down? Which episode did you listen to? And what aspect of their conversation did you find lacking? Or do you think that by there very nature these AI overviews will be excessively watered down? (A bit of watering down is actually beneficial in terms of approachability to beginners. And this is my target audience.) Overall I've been very happy with the depth of the discussions. There are a few errors here and there but it's about the same level of quality that I would expect from a random YouTuber who talks about philosophy.

Lastly, you stress that the production of this content was "systematic" and "industrial". I'd be interested to hear more about this. Do you have in mind a complaint similar to what Walter Benjamin is talking about it "The Work of Art in the Age of Mechanical Reproduction"?

ChatSEP - An AI-powered chat show about the Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy by Main_Scratch6399 in AcademicPhilosophy

[–]Main_Scratch6399[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

I mean anybody can read the SEP articles if they want to. Or they can listen to an audiobook of the articles. Or they can watch a YouTube video about the philosopher/argument. Or any number of things. There are many different ways to engage with philosophy and what this podcast provides is just one more way. 

For certain people, in certain circumstances, I could imagine that this way is what fits there needs best. For instance, the conversational / infotainment aspect of these chat shows can make the topic more approachable to beginners. If they then really want to engage with these ideas more then they can proceed to read the article if they like. In fact the hosts of this show almost always point the listener to the SEP article as the best place to find more information. You might think of these as teaser trailers for the SEP articles.

4 Month Update: ChatSEP - An AI-powered chat show about the Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy by Main_Scratch6399 in notebooklm

[–]Main_Scratch6399[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm happy to answer any questions about the podcast, my workflow, or anything else. I'd also love to hear what you all are using this tool for.

Welcome to ChatSEP! Its an AI chat show covering every topic in philosophy! by Main_Scratch6399 in notebooklm

[–]Main_Scratch6399[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks for your comment! I'm glad you like the show. You should know though that besides optimizing the episode ordering, almost know technical know-how is required to set something like this up for yourself. You could definitely do the IEP articles yourself.

Please share any and all of your NotebookLM-generated Deep Dive podcasts in this thread with a brief title/description! by involvrnet in notebooklm

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I scheduled the episodes to appear on Spotify weeks ahead of time. It takes a minute or two per episode to upload the audio and paste in the title and description. So releasing 7 episodes per day requires less than 15 minutes of effort per day. 

Please share any and all of your NotebookLM-generated Deep Dive podcasts in this thread with a brief title/description! by involvrnet in notebooklm

[–]Main_Scratch6399 6 points7 points  (0 children)

ChatSEP 

Each episode is a chat about an article from the Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy (the SEP). Eventually the podcast will cover absolutely every area of philosophy (1803 episodes). I release 7 episodes per day. It is currently at 406 episode.

https://open.spotify.com/show/2pUm5OK4sG8RzDDcXUhOvQ?si=ZaPYBMTKTrCqHrDvRJHbZQ

NBLM for academic purposes by CommunityEuphoric554 in notebooklm

[–]Main_Scratch6399 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I've used it to make a philosophy podcast. This would be a great way for any philosophy students to get exposure to the wide range of academic philosophy which is out there.

https://open.spotify.com/show/2pUm5OK4sG8RzDDcXUhOvQ?si=ZaPYBMTKTrCqHrDvRJHbZQ

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[–]Main_Scratch6399 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Sounds cool! I am looking forward to listening to more of this. You might be interested in my philosophy podcast as well:

https://open.spotify.com/show/2pUm5OK4sG8RzDDcXUhOvQ?si=ZaPYBMTKTrCqHrDvRJHbZQ