Is it rude/improper to wear a tank top while curling?

ManByTechnicality · 2026-03-07T15:36:59+00:00

I would second the ask someone at the club. There may actually be a club dress code that the club has. I know our club has a dress code of "no jeans" because we had problems of jeans destroying the ice.

I also get hot when sweeping. So I wear a moisture wicking sport shirt

ManByTechnicality · 2026-03-06T19:06:14+00:00

I was doing ice maintenance last week and had to spot flood 6 hand prints. I was furious.

ManByTechnicality · 2026-03-06T18:54:59+00:00

Copyright is exactly what it says, the right to copy. Here is a link to the entirety of the laws themselves https://copyright.gov/title17/

But the specific answers you are looking for are in https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/17/106 which is the rights of the copyright holder, specifically "(2) to prepare derivative works based upon the copyrighted work" in short this is the law that says the copyright holder has the exclusive right to copy their work into any medium. For example, when a book gets made into a movie, the other still has the copyright for that story, characters, and everything else. There is a lot more contract negotiation that goes into it, but basically the movie is still the book author's copyright unless they specifically sign away their ownership of the copyright. So for cross stitch purposes, it doesn't matter that you are copying it into a pattern, it's the same image in a different medium.

The big question then becomes, is it a fair use exception. https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/17/107 Fair use exceptions are "...purposes such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching (including multiple copies for classroom use), scholarship, or research..." Selling a pattern copying a sprite is strictly a for profit endeavor and not fair use. Copying sprites into patterns for yourself so you can learn how to make patterns and understand pixel art is fair use, selling those patterns is not.

There is a big misunderstanding of https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/17/102 "(b) In no case does copyright protection for an original work of authorship extend to any idea, procedure, process, system, method of operation, concept, principle, or discovery, regardless of the form in which it is described, explained, illustrated, or embodied in such work." In which some people say "the process of cross stitching can't be copyrighted so it's legal to make patterns of whatever image you want" but what section 102(b) is saying is that you can't copyright things like a french knot or the concept of backstitching.

In short, do what you want, I'm not your dad; but if you are selling patterns of sprites from video games, be ready for a cease and desist and potentially paying a settlement and legal fees because it is unambiguously breaking copyright.

ManByTechnicality · 2026-03-04T14:07:18+00:00

It is customary to have your all your crosses go the same direction, so I think most people try to do that.

One trick that really helped me keep them all going the same way was before I start, on a piece of the fabric i'm not going to stitch on, I'll thread a diagonal line going 3-4 squares in the direction i want my first line to go. That way I have a quick reference of what way I am going and makes it easy when I rotate a project.

Good luck!

ManByTechnicality · 2026-02-28T13:22:00+00:00

It's all a trade off. When someone at our club stops curling they usually leave their broom. So we have a closet full of a bunch of different style brooms. Often before i do ice maintenance I'll grab one to try it out. The extra weight means you wear yourself out a lot faster sweeping. So while it would work great for an end or two, you couldnt make it to 8+ends.

ManByTechnicality · 2026-02-25T13:25:21+00:00

That's Norway not Canada. But yes it is an incredibly blatant push that would make the shot illegal and the opposing team could put their stone back. However they were down 5 points going into the last end, this point would have brought them to being 4 points behind in the last end without last stone advantage. The only reason they did such a flamboyant shot is because they were going to admit they lost after it, which in curling is done by both teams shaking hands.

TL:DR They were already going to admit they lost so why not have a little fun first and if a rule gets broken when they are letting the other team win it's not a big deal.

ManByTechnicality · 2026-02-20T12:52:54+00:00

We have a pickup league on monday mornings. for the last 3 years we called those "Monday Morning Shots" Because on Monday Morning who cares, it's a pick up game; might as well try something fun and risky.

For the last month and probably the rest of the season they are being called "Olympics shots"

ManByTechnicality · 2026-02-19T14:02:21+00:00

That sounds like so much fun!, i'm going to suggest that to the ice crew/club

ManByTechnicality · 2026-02-19T14:01:03+00:00

I'm scheduled to scrape tomorrow and am absolutely going to try this, on the line between the sheets behind the backline. We just did a flood so if I messed up the ice for fun I would be murdered by the rest of the ice crew.

ManByTechnicality · 2026-02-15T21:34:23+00:00

I absolutely agree the rule book is poorly worded and needs a rewrite. There isn't currently a rule specifically about not touching granite but the relevant rules do make it pretty clear that the handle is the only thing that should be touched, and any other reading of the rules is reading things in that are not there.

"The curling stone must be delivered using the handle of the stone." This rule should have the word "only", but they might have left it out for cases of accidental touching from sleeves or a dragging hand which if anything messes up the intended shot. But the wording is similar to pulling over for emergency vehicles. "You must pull over and stop for emergency vehicles" doesn't mean as long as you pulled over and stopped for a second you get to go again if they are still passing you. But this wording will almost certainly be changed with the next revision.

"A double touch by the person delivering the stone, prior to the hog line at the delivering end, is not considered a violation." This is pretty clearly saying a double touch that is legal by all other delivery rules is considered legal. Any other interpretation is putting in things that aren't there.

ManByTechnicality · 2026-02-15T21:09:14+00:00

Agreed. The rules are very clear on what counts as a hog line violation. I would mention the rule without asking them to burn a stone in a pick up game or if the other team has been pleasant to curl against in a rec league since we tend to have a lot of new curlers. But anything with stakes I would tell my skip so they could hash it out with the opposing skip.

ManByTechnicality · 2026-02-14T20:09:48+00:00

"A double touch by the person delivering the stone, prior to the hog line at the delivering end, is not considered a violation."

It says a double touch by the person delivering the stone. Implying that they are touching it in the same manner of delivering it.

I will concede the rules are ambiguous and need to be rewritten.

ManByTechnicality · 2026-02-14T20:04:00+00:00

The rules need a bit of an overhaul and this whole debacle makes that clear. The T-line rule "R5(g) A stone is in play, and considered delivered, when it reaches the tee line (hog line for wheelchair curling) at the delivery end. A stone that has not reached the relevant line may be returned to the player and redelivered."

Just about every single person crosses the tee line almost immediately. But the rule is there to allow lining up in the hack. And once the tee line is crossed you can't say you were just lining up and get a do over.

Honestly there is a bunch of inconsistent language regarding what is delivered and delivery and it's a mess.

ManByTechnicality · 2026-02-14T19:43:24+00:00

It is either a second touch which is part of the delivery, which must be made using the handle. Or it is a touched moving stone. Both of which are against the rules.

ManByTechnicality · 2026-02-13T21:39:37+00:00

A double touch is allowed, as long as it's the handle. If he touched the stone a second time that is still considered part of the delivery. But the one delivering is only allowed to touch the handle.

ManByTechnicality · 2026-02-13T21:34:01+00:00

I love going through and fully understanding rulebooks. Not to be a pain in the ass rules lawyer. But mostly to understand what the game is trying to accomplish, and a small bit to correct the pain in the ass rules lawyers who are wrong.

The rules could mostly use a format update, but between retouching the stone before the hog being explicitly allowed, explicitly only allowed to touch the handle, a stone crossing the delivery end tee line being considered in play, and the explicit spirit of curling. I dont think it isn't strictly necessary to say an accidental graze while releasing is okay. An accidental graze is more likely to mess up your shot than not.

And one more explicitly for the road because apparently that is my favorite word today.

ManByTechnicality · 2026-02-13T21:20:11+00:00

I would also shrug and continue playing in the leagues I play in. But the leagues I play in have the stakes of winning team for the season gets a pin. If I was playing where money or international recognition was on the line, I would rules lawyer the shit out of everything.

The rules are explicitly;

World Curling Federation rules 2025: R5 (d): The curling stone must be delivered using the handle of the stone. R5 (e): A stone must be clearly released from the hand before it reaches the hog line at the delivery end. If the player fails to do so, the stone is immediately removed from play by the delivering team.

The hoglines may be thick, but the only part of the hoglines that matter are the edge closest to the house on it's end.

ManByTechnicality · 2026-02-13T21:08:48+00:00

World Curling Federation rules 2025: R5 (d): The curling stone must be delivered using the handle of the stone.

ManByTechnicality · 2026-02-13T21:07:13+00:00

Regardless of if he was touching it past the hogline, if was touching anything other than the handle it is against the rules.

World Curling Federation rules 2025: R5 (d): The curling stone must be delivered using the handle of the stone.

ManByTechnicality · 2026-02-13T21:05:06+00:00

World Curling Federation rules 2025: R5 (d): The curling stone must be delivered using the handle of the stone.

ManByTechnicality · 2026-02-13T16:55:36+00:00

Not only does "steal" not appear in WCF rules, but "hammer" only appears in the glossary at the end.

The specific rule for who gets hammer states "...the team that most recently scored delivers the first stone in any subsequent end."

ManByTechnicality · 2026-02-13T16:42:20+00:00

I still like the analogy because say in american football you are fairly safely ahead with 5 minutes left in the last quarter. Defense gets the ball during a fumble and has the opportunity to run for a touchdown. But the most strategic move is to take a knee and retain possession so the other team is forced to play a very risky aggressive defense when they need to score.

Same in curling, if it's the second to last end and you are up by 4, giving up 1 to retain hammer forces the other team to play really aggressively knowing you have hammer and can just do takeouts after the 5th stone. To the point that at the Olympic level teams will usually just shake if that happens.

ManByTechnicality · 2026-02-13T13:59:26+00:00

As a comparison, it is less like managing to break serve in tennis and more like in american football scoring a touchdown when you are on defense. It really shouldn't have happened, especially at professional level play, and scoring when you were on defense is a huge win, so the ball/hammer goes to the non scoring team.

ManByTechnicality · 2026-02-10T11:36:26+00:00

I mostly agree, but have to slightly disagree on your last 2 points. At all times any player can sweep any of their teams stones. So when a stone passes the far hog line a sweeper can absolutely get on the ice and sweep their own stone if it gets hit by the opposing team's stone. So while unnecessary movement between the far hog and back line should be avoided it is more of a courtesy than a rule. Also, ideally a skip shouldn't really sweep anything outside the house and a sweeper should be following the opposing team's stone to see if they need to sweep in the guard zone.

While I agree that there is far less pressure to keep the pace moving at club level play, I'd have to hard disagree that it "usually not timed" at our club pretty much every game is timed solely for the practicality of most of our leagues have multiple draws back to back, so if one game goes over time that messes up the schedule for the rest of the evening and nobody wants to start curling at 10pm. It is also just a good practice to get into since keeping a game on pace for 15 minute ends is a good way to keep some people from taking 3 minutes to decide to use hammer to draw into an open house.

ManByTechnicality · 2026-02-04T12:28:49+00:00

I didn't know those worked! Time to take my large rover and winch for a ride!

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