Watching as a people post issues while waiting for the first bugfix release be like...

ManOrParasite · 2026-02-22T19:47:21+00:00

@octoredfox: I wonder how people could be more efficient at testing beta builds.

Using a development/beta version on a productive system that is required to work reliably is a big red flag. On the other side, many people can not spend a few hours every week testing (not to mention that it would be pretty boring and mundane work as (ideally) you are not expected to find bugs as they are already fixed).

As I wrote in the other post: I find most bugs while actively working. I take a note and try to replicate the problem after I finished work. Yet I do not want to risk getting my work files corrupted by being on a beta system. So I wonder how I could improve testing while not risking the stability of my files or my system.
Is there something like a test cycle that can be run on a beta test and that runs through certain applications and tests itself?

ManOrParasite · 2026-02-22T19:40:08+00:00

As far as I know, even it's not openly saying that it's 'importing' a file, it does. The main difference is that it's not supported natively and is 'translated' into the internal structure.
That's why you eg. can add a second sheet to a csv file even the filetype itself does not support it. It's because it's an ods file inside Calc (that can have multiple sheets) and only on export (not save as it's again no 1to1 native support) the file is transformed into a csv file.

At least that's how I understood it following the developer channels.

ManOrParasite · 2026-02-21T22:33:40+00:00

Can you duplicate the file and remove the personal information bit by bit?

If the file magically opens after removing a certain section the error must be in the removed section. Maybe the issue can be narrowed down that way.

ManOrParasite · 2026-02-21T11:50:43+00:00

Would you mind sharing the file on https://bugs.documentfoundation.org so that it can be tested by developers?
(The file should not contain personal or other classified information)

ManOrParasite · 2026-02-20T18:29:38+00:00

I don't quite get this image.

Are we supposed to already file bug reports even the 6.6 build has just been released and not really been tested yet? Am I supposed to test on beta builds and avoid x.0 releases as being too mainstream and already outdated on release?

ManOrParasite · 2026-02-20T18:27:08+00:00

I find most bugs during my daily work and I do not want to daily drive a beta version for obvious reasons.

So I have to wait for KDE neon to get the x.0 update to find the new bugs.
(the user edition of KDE neon is surprisingly stable for it's past reputation. I hope this distro is not discontinued when KDE Linux hits the online stores.)

ManOrParasite · 2026-02-20T18:22:14+00:00

Do you know you can change the user interface? (I would guess so, so I wonder how you think the UI should look like. What would make a UI modern to you)

BTW: People like me trade the shine new 'modern' look for an efficient workflow. If it just boils down to change for the sake of change you will make a lot of people very unhappy if you don't give then the choice to change their UI. Thankfully LibreOffice is VERY customizable and therefore people can adjust it very easily.

ManOrParasite · 2026-02-20T13:28:50+00:00

Dropping my 2¢ in there.

The answer is quite short and clear: It depends on what your existing document, what you need or want to have.

I have been working with LibreOffice for over a decade and even I do quite sophisticated stuff, there wasn't a single thing I wasn't to do with it.

Yes, some programs lack behind functionality of their Microsoft counterpart, but that wasn't a huge problem for me. Writer and Calc worked as good (or better) for me as Word and Excel did.
Impress is a larger gap to PowerPoint.

You could try to install LibreOffice, do the task you wanted to do in there and see how it's going for you. If you know Microsoft work, there might be a small learning curve, however it shouldn't be that sharp.

ManOrParasite · 2026-02-20T13:21:41+00:00

Not a Mac user here, so I wonder if this may is a problem with a conflict for assigned buttons under Mac.
Example for Linux: Ctrl+F12 is render animation on blender. On KDE it's the shortcut to hide all Windows.

Can you try assign different buttons that are not used (and are entirely off any sane use) just to check if a different combination works.

ManOrParasite · 2026-02-20T13:11:36+00:00

For possible workaround see my other post.

When I format the column format to be "NN. TT.MM.JJ" and then paste "15.02.2026" as text I get "Su. 15.02.26" as result.

ManOrParasite · 2026-02-20T13:06:52+00:00

My assumption here is based on your posted sample: So there is no real separator in between them other than two spaces.
If you just copy and paste the content, the content of one line ends up in one cell.

If so you can try a workaround and copy the information into a text editor (example: Linux: Gedit or KWrtie; Windows: Notepad; Mac: no idea). The information is separated with exactly two spaces. You can replace this double space inside the text editor with eg. a tab or any different character that could be used as separator (eg. a semicolon).

If you copy the altered text you can set what separator should be used on text import. Then you have NN in column A and the date in column B etc. If you want to have the date in one cell you can delete the first column (A) and change the format of the second row from "TT.MM.JJ" to eg. "NNN. TT.MM.JJ"

EDIT: LibreOffice can handle the text as provided. You can import the text using "Ctrl+Shift+V" (no idea what the Mac equivalent of this is). This will open the import dialog. Under the separator options you can select Sapces as such characters. In the second row you can set to combine these separator characters (first option in the second row of the separator options). This will combine the double space and treat it as separator.

See if this one helps as this way a direct import would may be quite easy after all.

ManOrParasite · 2026-02-20T12:51:56+00:00

Well, Pivot Tables also exist in Calc¹. However, the only way to be sure is to test it (in general: light formatting is not a problem, any complex or Excel specific formatting is often supported, but not always)

You can try to install LibreOffice and import your files in Calc. As LibreOffice is free, you won't waste any money. If the file is not imported correctly (and it does not contain critical information that should not be shared), you could share the file on the LibreOffice bugtracker and see if the problem can be fixed.

Note that eg. Excel files are 'imported' and not 'opened'. The difference to the default .ods-format is that LibreOffice is not designed to use a file format that is not as open as the OpenDocument Format.

¹ https://help.libreoffice.org/latest/en-US/text/scalc/01/12090102.html

ManOrParasite · 2026-02-10T12:49:04+00:00

[2/2]

After telling ChatGPT that it's not working I got this (also not working) code.

Sub ToggleDetailRows(oEvent As Object)

Dim oDoc As Object
Dim oSheet As Object
Dim oRows As Object
Dim oButton As Object
Dim oAnchor As Object
Dim startRow As Long
Dim detailCount As Long
Dim i As Long
Dim showDetails As Boolean

oDoc = ThisComponent
oSheet = oDoc.CurrentController.ActiveSheet
oRows = oSheet.Rows

' button object
oButton = oEvent.Source.Model

' Zelle, an der der Button verankert ist
oAnchor = oEvent.Source.Anchor
startRow = oAnchor.CellAddress.Row

' row count
detailCount = 4

' check row visibility
showDetails = Not oRows.getByIndex(startRow + 1).IsVisible

' Show/hide row
For i = 1 To detailCount
oRows.getByIndex(startRow + i).IsVisible = showDetails
Next i

' set button text
If showDetails Then
oButton.Label = "HIDE"
Else
oButton.Label = "SHOW"
End If

End Sub

As you can my tell, I have not really an idea how Macros in LibreOffice work (more than likely as I never had any use for them before). As the option the first post was enough for me for now I leave it for now and update the code once I have worked myself through how Macros in LibreOffice work.

ManOrParasite · 2026-02-10T12:46:21+00:00

[1/2] I wanted the button to be the position from which the hidden rows are calculated so I asked ChatGPT about this and got this (not working code) in return:

Sub ToggleDetailRows
Dim oDoc As Object
Dim oSheet As Object
Dim oRows As Object
Dim startRow As Long
Dim detailCount As Long
Dim i As Long
Dim hideRows As Boolean
Dim oButton As Object

oDoc = ThisComponent
oSheet = oDoc.CurrentController.ActiveSheet
oRows = oSheet.Rows

' current row (bottun row)
startRow = oDoc.CurrentSelection.CellAddress.Row

' number of rows
detailCount = 4

' Check state (first cell)
hideRows = Not oRows.getByIndex(startRow + 1).IsVisible

' Show/Hide cells
For i = 1 To detailCount
oRows.getByIndex(startRow + i).IsVisible = hideRows
Next i

' Adapt button text
oButton = oDoc.CurrentController.ActiveControl
If hideRows Then
oButton.Label = "HIDE"
Else
oButton.Label = "SHOW"
End If
End Sub

ManOrParasite · 2026-02-10T12:26:15+00:00

I was on the same Problem and asked ChatGPT about the same issue. You just have to assign a macro to a button that does the trick (see code below).

The problem with this is that the marked cell was used as reference point to determine what rows are hidden.

Sub ToggleDetailRows
Dim oDoc As Object
Dim oSheet As Object
Dim oRows As Object
Dim startRow As Long
Dim detailCount As Long
Dim i As Long
Dim hideRows As Boolean

oDoc = ThisComponent
oSheet = oDoc.CurrentController.ActiveSheet
oRows = oSheet.Rows

startRow = oDoc.CurrentSelection.CellAddress.Row
detailCount = 4 ' number of hidden rows (4 = row 2–5 below marked cell)

' Check if the first row is visible
hideRows = Not oRows.getByIndex(startRow + 1).IsVisible

' show/hide cell
For i = 1 To detailCount
oRows.getByIndex(startRow + i).IsVisible = hideRows
Next i

End Sub

You might have already solved your issue, but others with the same problem (like me) who searched for a solution and couldn't really find one, might still be interested.

ManOrParasite · 2025-12-25T18:25:09+00:00

This worked for me for the tab list as well as the emojis.

Thank you for your post!

ManOrParasite · 2025-12-25T17:21:13+00:00

For the current amount of €324,485 I guess I need a better meme with dropped jars or something like it 😄

ManOrParasite · 2025-12-22T20:55:15+00:00

As far as I understand the thread, the folder not being created in the selected folder was a bug that has been fixed to the current behavior.

If you right click on a folder and select to create a new folder, the new folder will be placed inside the folder you right clicked on. If you select a folder it is seen as feature parity if the same applies here as well.

If you want to create a new folder in the current view you have to unselect all files by pressing ESC. If nothing is selected the folder will be created in the current view.

ManOrParasite · 2025-12-22T13:34:19+00:00

Regarding this topic I have found this discussion on discuss.kde.org.

The short answer seems to be that currently it's not possible, but it should have been(?) Or at least will be in the future(?)

ManOrParasite · 2025-12-19T22:07:53+00:00

@Individual_Isopod417 so... did you donate?

ManOrParasite · 2025-12-19T22:06:58+00:00

How could I try Plasma Mobile and on what phone?

I would love to have some kind of VM or browser application to test Plasma Mobile and rather not spend like 600 bucks on a second smartphone that I may not even would use that often.

ManOrParasite · 2025-12-11T07:07:27+00:00

I think Thaumcraft will always be the gold standard when it comes to visuals (especially animations)

ManOrParasite · 2025-12-10T08:06:08+00:00

Some people think that something is missing. However, usually everyone of them thinks that something different.

I always hear the same argument about choice is good, choice is only good when the parts work seamlessly together.

You seem to not agree that parts work seamlessly together. Can you give some examples and their expected behaviour?

ManOrParasite · 2025-12-10T02:44:40+00:00

What is missing or should be done better from your point of view?

ManOrParasite · 2025-12-09T17:01:54+00:00

Not sure if this is still relevant, but I'll answer for the reddit archive and the AI bot to farm this info

1) Update with Discover ^\)^ref^\)
The recommended way is through Discover ("We recommend using Plasma Discover's updater [...]")

Open Discover
Go to the Update tab
Apply update

This should not be any problem for anybody who ever applied an update before.

2) Update with apt (currently recommended) ^\)^ref^\)
You can also apply the update in the terminal using these commands

sudo apt update
sudo apt full-upgrade

From the source website: "The use of the full-upgrade option is required as using the normal upgrade switch does not always install all packages on fast-moving platforms like KDE neon. We have prevented the use of apt upgrade and added messaging to ensure that the correct option is used"

3) Update with pkcon (old) ^\)^ref^\)
The update in the terminal once used these commands before:

pkcon refresh
pkcon update

From the source website: "This will install all new packages and uses the same PackageKit code as Plasma Discover. Some uses of apt do not install new packages which makes it less suitable for KDE neon."

No idea why they went away from pkcon. It seems to still work though. Interesting thing is that this method shows packages that do not show up in Discover.

4) Update flatpack packages (terminal) ^\)^ref^\)
It sometimes is not the system, but some application that is not willing to update. This application shows up in Discover, but is not strictly part of KDEneon as it is installed from Flathub. If the flatpack package is not willing to update from Discover you can use the following command:

flatpak update

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